OldWolf wrote: the formula:

The current and commonly used formula for determining the RPI of a college basketball team at any given time is as follows.

RPI = (WP * 0.25) + (OWP * 0.50) + (OOWP * 0.25)

where WP is Winning Percentage, OWP is Opponents' Winning Percentage and OOWP is Opponents' Opponents' Winning Percentage.

The WP is calculated by taking a team's wins divided by the number of games it has played (i.e. wins plus losses).

For Division 1 NCAA Men's basketball, the WP factor of the RPI was updated in 2004 to account for differences in home, away, and neutral games. A home win now counts as 0.6 win, while a road win counts as 1.4 wins. Inversely, a home loss equals 1.4 losses, while a road loss counts as 0.6 loss. A neutral game counts as 1 win or 1 loss.

So the fact that Mich State and Maryland have better winning percentage than FGC and Ind State does seem like it would be a factor.


Or am I reading the formula wrong?

DubPack wrote:

chargerbomb wrote:

DubPack wrote: I know RPI is based on the formula, but it's amazing to be Miami can have RPI #5 with losses to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State

Their RPI would be exactly the same if they had lost to Michigan State and Maryland instead.

That's kinda my point

WOLFDAC wrote: I beleive it's viewed as the least important indicator via Selection Sunday, could be wrong about that, but I think that's the case.

Wayland53 wrote:

johnpackfan7 wrote: ^^^Yep Miami's toughest games left on their schedule are @ NCSU and @ Duke. That is it. Maybe @ FSU could be a loss, but last night they beat them easily. Unc @ miami could be a loss, but unc has already lost to miami at chapel hill. Who do they play that could seriously challenge them? They get to play va tech, ga tech, & wake a ton. Personally, I don't see Miami with more than 3 losses, if that. NCSU & Duke will probably need to focus on the real tourney.

Miami beat BC by 1.  They are likely going to have a WTF game or two.  It happens to all teams.

Wayland53 wrote:

johnpackfan7 wrote: ^^^Yep Miami's toughest games left on their schedule are @ NCSU and @ Duke. That is it. Maybe @ FSU could be a loss, but last night they beat them easily. Unc @ miami could be a loss, but unc has already lost to miami at chapel hill. Who do they play that could seriously challenge them? They get to play va tech, ga tech, & wake a ton. Personally, I don't see Miami with more than 3 losses, if that. NCSU & Duke will probably need to focus on the real tourney.

Miami beat BC by 1.  They are likely going to have a WTF game or two.  It happens to all teams.

mstroud90 wrote:

Wayland53 wrote:

johnpackfan7 wrote: ^^^Yep Miami's toughest games left on their schedule are @ NCSU and @ Duke. That is it. Maybe @ FSU could be a loss, but last night they beat them easily. Unc @ miami could be a loss, but unc has already lost to miami at chapel hill. Who do they play that could seriously challenge them? They get to play va tech, ga tech, & wake a ton. Personally, I don't see Miami with more than 3 losses, if that. NCSU & Duke will probably need to focus on the real tourney.

Miami beat BC by 1.  They are likely going to have a WTF game or two.  It happens to all teams.

They also lost to Florida Gulf Coast and Indiana State (no Larry Bird did not play). While they had a very good week and will contend to the end, they are not worlds above everyone else as they seem now. Remember, a team is never as good as they seem or as bad as they seem.

gpack86 wrote: just one time, I would like to win a conference title....come on, team!   You do not realize how special and rare these opportunities are until you are staring back 30 years and wondering wtf!

swiftcreekgrad wrote:

gpack86 wrote: just one time, I would like to win a conference title....come on, team!   You do not realize how special and rare these opportunities are until you are staring back 30 years and wondering wtf!

Win the ACC tournament and we'll be conference champs.

WOLFDAC wrote: If memeory serves me correct, it was the Holes who started keeping up and recognizing (banner worthy) the "regular season champion", could be wrong but don't think so.

WOLFDAC wrote: If memeory serves me correct, it was the Holes who started keeping up and recognizing (banner worthy) the "regular season champion", could be wrong but don't think so.

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: I beleive it's viewed as the least important indicator via Selection Sunday, could be wrong about that, but I think that's the case.

I'm not sure I've heard the word "pomeroy" on any selection sunday show in my life.
We stay around top 15 in RPI, and beat a Miami, dook, or unc-ch* again, we'll be a 2 seed or 3 seed at worst come SS.

mwp99 wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: I beleive it's viewed as the least important indicator via Selection Sunday, could be wrong about that, but I think that's the case.

I'm not sure I've heard the word "pomeroy" on any selection sunday show in my life.
We stay around top 15 in RPI, and beat a Miami, dook, or unc-ch* again, we'll be a 2 seed or 3 seed at worst come SS.

State is at #15 in the RPI at CBSSports.com, but Jerry Palm has us as a 7-seed in today's updated bracket projection.  Outside of Belmont, I can't imagine there's a bigger discrepancy in his projection.

Indiana is RPI #16 and a 2-seed.
Oregon is RPI #19 and a 3-seed.
Belmont is RPI #14 and a 12-seed.

swiftcreekgrad wrote:
That is correct
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--- Whitechapel wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: If memeory serves me correct, it was the Holes who started keeping up and recognizing (banner worthy) the "regular season champion", could be wrong but don't think so.

That wouldn't surprise me.

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I have never been so angry in my life when I went to a concert in the fairly new (at the time) Dean Dome - up in the rafters I saw "ACC CHAMPS 1983" with a little asterisk and very small print at the bottom "regular season".

I almost blacked out in fury at the sight.

At the time there was no official recognition from the conference of "regular season winner" - other than to get the #1 seed in the tourney. Dean always talked about how it was harder to be the winner for the year than for 3 days - and eventually Duke started putting up the banners - then the ACC started officially giving a "regular season champ" trophy as well - though the ACC official position is that the tourney champ is CHAMPION in terms of the auto bid at least.

It sickens me now to see our banners that say regular season - but I understand why we need to have them since everyone else does.

To me though - the regular season is just the practice time to get ready for the 2 real seasons. - ACC tourney and the one and only real thing - the NCAA tourney.

GO PACK!!! BEAT THE HOOS!!!!!!!!

XxPack18xX wrote: we will go up a bit if we beat the U since they are 3 in the RPI. We need Brown..period.

adamant wrote:

XxPack18xX wrote: we will go up a bit if we beat the U since they are 3 in the RPI. We need Brown..period.

This!

One thing about the RPI - road wins count more than home wins - if we had squeaked by all 3 road losses instead of losing by a combined 6 points (when our free throw misses in all 3 games were probably 20 combined) - our RPI would have been #1 or 2.

GO PACK!!! BEAT MIAMI!!!!!!!!!!

adamant wrote:

One thing about the RPI - road wins count more than home wins - if we had squeaked by all 3 road losses instead of losing by a combined 6 points (when our free throw misses in all 3 games were probably 20 combined) - our RPI would have been #1 or 2.

wolfer79 wrote:

adamant wrote:

One thing about the RPI - road wins count more than home wins - if we had squeaked by all 3 road losses instead of losing by a combined 6 points (when our free throw misses in all 3 games were probably 20 combined) - our RPI would have been #1 or 2.

Maryland 7-12

Wake Forest 14-25

Virginia 9-13

combined 30-50

well done

what's even worse about that 30-50 is that several of them were front end of 1-1's so they really were 2 missed points opportunity wise.

Sad sad sad.

I hate to lose games that we would win by making our free throws. Even last night (9-13) - we missed 4 ft's - lost by 3.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT MIAMI!!!! Make your free throws!!

If I was coach I would put that 30-50 up in the locker room over everyone's locker.

adamant wrote:

wolfer79 wrote:

adamant wrote:

One thing about the RPI - road wins count more than home wins - if we had squeaked by all 3 road losses instead of losing by a combined 6 points (when our free throw misses in all 3 games were probably 20 combined) - our RPI would have been #1 or 2.

Maryland 7-12

Wake Forest 14-25

Virginia 9-13

combined 30-50

well done

what's even worse about that 30-50 is that several of them were front end of 1-1's so they really were 2 missed points opportunity wise.

Sad sad sad.

I hate to lose games that we would win by making our free throws. Even last night (9-13) - we missed 4 ft's - lost by 3.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT MIAMI!!!! Make your free throws!!

If I was coach I would put that 30-50 up in the locker room over everyone's locker.

wolfer79 wrote:

adamant wrote:

wolfer79 wrote:

adamant wrote:

One thing about the RPI - road wins count more than home wins - if we had squeaked by all 3 road losses instead of losing by a combined 6 points (when our free throw misses in all 3 games were probably 20 combined) - our RPI would have been #1 or 2.

Maryland 7-12

Wake Forest 14-25

Virginia 9-13

combined 30-50

well done

what's even worse about that 30-50 is that several of them were front end of 1-1's so they really were 2 missed points opportunity wise.

Sad sad sad.

I hate to lose games that we would win by making our free throws. Even last night (9-13) - we missed 4 ft's - lost by 3.

GO PACK!!!! BEAT MIAMI!!!! Make your free throws!!

If I was coach I would put that 30-50 up in the locker room over everyone's locker.

link to individual player stats if anyone wants to see FT%

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

mwp99 wrote:

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

WOLFDAC wrote: I beleive it's viewed as the least important indicator via Selection Sunday, could be wrong about that, but I think that's the case.

I'm not sure I've heard the word "pomeroy" on any selection sunday show in my life.
We stay around top 15 in RPI, and beat a Miami, dook, or unc-ch* again, we'll be a 2 seed or 3 seed at worst come SS.

State is at #15 in the RPI at CBSSports.com, but Jerry Palm has us as a 7-seed in today's updated bracket projection.  Outside of Belmont, I can't imagine there's a bigger discrepancy in his projection.

Indiana is RPI #16 and a 2-seed.
Oregon is RPI #19 and a 3-seed.
Belmont is RPI #14 and a 12-seed.

I've never thought one way or another on jerry palm, but some of the teams he has seeded above us makes me believe he is, well,...an idiot.

Lsoobservatory wrote: Every year you hear the selection committee comment that how a team has performed over the last 10 games is a very key factor in getting selected.  Having a terrific first 20 games and then a loosing record over the last 10 has cost many teams in either getting
a bid, or causes them to drop significantly in seeding.  A couple weeks ago we were projected as a 3 seed in the South.  As of Feb 3, we are now a 5 seed in the East (dreaded 5-12 matchup record).  Further a bad road records hurts.  I believe us going 50/50 over the last games would easily see us as an 8 or worse seed.

adamant wrote: Through Tuesday 2/6 games (danceard - through Sunday's games) :

RPI #21
Sagarin #21
Pomeroy #32

and the new Dancard update from www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm through Sunday 2/3/2013 games :

#22 NCSU

other ACC teams in the Dancard :

#1 Duke
#5 Miami
#34 UNC-CHeat
#48 FSU

and the other ACC teams not in the predicted field as yet :

#59 UVA (bubble bursts at #50)
#65 MD
#95 Clemson
#101 GaTech
#114 Wake
#131 VaTech
#132 BC

Interesting that all 12 ACC teams are in the top 132 - usually one or two teams is close to 200.

Of the 4 other ACC teams considered in as of now - we are 2-1 (havent' played FSU) - and 3-3 against the others.

5 ACC teams in right now (note also - last team in #50 ASU :) - definition of bubble team)

GO PACK!!! BEAT DUKE!!!!!!!

a sweep of Duke would cement us in the NCAA's at this point.

OldWolf wrote: note who #50 and in, is:

50

Arizona St.

-1.2305

10.93%

52

adamant wrote: Through Tuesday 2/6 games (danceard - through Sunday's games) :

RPI #21
Sagarin #21
Pomeroy #32

and the new Dancard update from www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm through Sunday 2/3/2013 games :

#22 NCSU

other ACC teams in the Dancard :

#1 Duke
#5 Miami
#34 UNC-CHeat
#48 FSU

and the other ACC teams not in the predicted field as yet :

#59 UVA (bubble bursts at #50)
#65 MD
#95 Clemson
#101 GaTech
#114 Wake
#131 VaTech
#132 BC

Interesting that all 12 ACC teams are in the top 132 - usually one or two teams is close to 200.

Of the 4 other ACC teams considered in as of now - we are 2-1 (havent' played FSU) - and 3-3 against the others.

5 ACC teams in right now (note also - last team in #50 ASU :) - definition of bubble team)

GO PACK!!! BEAT DUKE!!!!!!!

a sweep of Duke would cement us in the NCAA's at this point.

grantwolf wrote: #1 Duke
#2 Miami
#3 Michigan

Yeah...we've played a tough schedule.

and we are 1-2 vs that - but one loss was AT Michigan by 7 (and it could have been closer with just a charge/block call going the other way) and the other at home by a last second tip in with us playing without our starting pg.

We are sooooo close to being still ranked in the top 10 (4 ACC losses by 7 combined points while missing more than 20 combined free throws during those 4 losses).

That is what is frustrating for us fans - we know we have a good team - we just can't quite finish the deal. Yet.

Beating Duke in Durham (and finishing what we started last year) would do wonders for all things Wolfpack!

GO PACK!!! BEAT DUKE!!!!!!!!!!

wulfpackbaseball9 wrote:

OldWolf wrote: note who #50 and in, is:

50

Arizona St.

-1.2305

10.93%

52

adamant wrote: Through Tuesday 2/6 games (danceard - through Sunday's games) :

RPI #21
Sagarin #21
Pomeroy #32

and the new Dancard update from www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm through Sunday 2/3/2013 games :

#22 NCSU

other ACC teams in the Dancard :

#1 Duke
#5 Miami
#34 UNC-CHeat
#48 FSU

and the other ACC teams not in the predicted field as yet :

#59 UVA (bubble bursts at #50)
#65 MD
#95 Clemson
#101 GaTech
#114 Wake
#131 VaTech
#132 BC

Interesting that all 12 ACC teams are in the top 132 - usually one or two teams is close to 200.

Of the 4 other ACC teams considered in as of now - we are 2-1 (havent' played FSU) - and 3-3 against the others.

5 ACC teams in right now (note also - last team in #50 ASU :) - definition of bubble team)

GO PACK!!! BEAT DUKE!!!!!!!

a sweep of Duke would cement us in the NCAA's at this point.

FSU is in?

A win against #46 (BYU) on the "dancard" must go a long way.
That trumps losses at home to Mercer, South Alabama, and a loss at Auburn?
What degree did this guy get in Tallahassee?