Basketball season has started! This year instead of wondering if we get into the big Dance it will be more what seed will we make and what matchups.

The RPI from :

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_128_Men.html

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html

Has us at 112 as of games through Sunday 11th and projected record of :

20-9, 12-6 ACC.

Sagarin ratings :

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...sagarin/bkt.htm

Through Sunday's games has us at #10 (Sagarin is using a weighting from last season before the teams become connected)

and the Pomeroy :

http://kenpom.com/

Which also uses some of last year's data until later in the season - has us at #21.

Pretty good start to the ratings (rpi is totally based on this year's results - low start of 112 rating but good predictor - though that will improve too I think).

The Dancecard site (which was so correct in getting us into the NCAA's last year) does not do their 1st ratings until much later in the season.

GO PACK!!! BEAT PSU!!!

What a great year for basketball!

Dancecard now updated for this year :

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

adamant wrote: Sweet! Let's keep it up all year!

LetsTailgate wrote: 20-11? and 10-8? MELTDOWN!

Most of last year had us projected to a losing ACC record and a barely even overall record.

If we finished at 10-8 and had a 5 or 6 seed in the NCAA I would still be excited about our chances to go to at least the sweet 16.

I think we will do better - but all I really care about in the end is how far we go in both tourneys. 

GO PACK!!! BEAT Michigan!!!

adamant wrote: whew! good thing we beat (barely) unca or that would have left a mark (314!!).

GO PACK!

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: ^So if you are ranked say 20th in RPI and lose to the #300 RPI team but beat the number #3 RPI, you'd have the same RPI ranking as if you'd beating #300 and lost to #3. That doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

Whitechapel wrote:

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: ^So if you are ranked say 20th in RPI and lose to the #300 RPI team but beat the number #3 RPI, you'd have the same RPI ranking as if you'd beating #300 and lost to #3. That doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

That's the way it works though.
There are other variables in play however.  Wins/losses earned on the road versus at home are weighted differently.

But basically, RPI = 1/4(your record) + 1/2(opponents' records) + 1/4(opponents' opponents' records)

wolfie91 wrote: OTOH doesn't the selection committee look at top 50 wins and top 100 wins? From that standpoint it would have been better to beat Michigan.

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: Right, if it matters what your record is and your opponents record is, I cant help but think if you are a top 30 team and lost to a 300+ ranked team, your ranking would fall ALOT more than if you beat the #300 team but lost to the #3.  Based on your formula, that seems to be the case. 

I just dont believe the 2 scenarios equal a equal ranking in RPI. 

Whitechapel wrote:

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: ^So if you are ranked say 20th in RPI and lose to the #300 RPI team but beat the number #3 RPI, you'd have the same RPI ranking as if you'd beating #300 and lost to #3. That doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me.

That's the way it works though.
There are other variables in play however.  Wins/losses earned on the road versus at home are weighted differently.

But basically, RPI = 1/4(your record) + 1/2(opponents' records) + 1/4(opponents' opponents' records)

ncsuTRIcoach wrote: but I'm quite certain that playing UNCA and Michigan and going 1-1 in those games will have mathematically identical impacts on your RPI regardless of which team you beat and which you lost to. Your RPI would still end up on the same number when those two games are over.

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That's what I'm disputing. Of course I'm not sure how we an clarify which is correct.  Is there anyway we can look up the daily RPI's from the UNC-A and the UM games.