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Re: Atlanta Braves 2012-2013 Off-Season "Hot Stove"
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Posted: 12/6/2012 2:46 PM
Re: Atlanta Braves 2012-2013 Off-Season "Hot Stove"
I've seen the Braves linked to Justin Upton, Cody Ross, Shane Victorino, Emilio Bonifacio, Dexter Fowler, Shin-Soo Choo and Alex Gordon.
I'd go with Choo even though he's a Boras client.
But, I'd be okay with any of those guys (aside from Fowler).
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:04 PM
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I'd take any of them except Victorino (think he's headed to Boston) and Fowler. Fowler has not impressed me to date with what he can do. I think he'd be too much of a leap of faith for what we are trying to accomplish.
I dislike Ross as a player, but the guy is among the most clutch players in the MLB, dude get's it done. The Braves have SORELY needed that for YEARS! Outside of Chippers career and Mark Lemke, I can't remember another clutch hitter to play for us. I think Freddie is almost ready to assume this responsibility though.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:10 PM
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Alex Gordon would be a nice pickup. Under 30 years of age, good hitter, but probalbly wouldn't fill the leadoff spot. Potential to be a nice 6 or 7 hole hitter.
His .368 and .376 obp the last two seasons are better than Bourn's time in ATL (.348 AND .321)
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 12/6/2012 3:24 PM
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^ Alex Gordon may be the next guy up in the potential LF order. Surprisingly, I think he'd actually be a decent lead off option. Unconventional, but he did lead off for the Royals last year during some of their better streaks of offensive production and the key is his OBP as you mentioned. He plays LF, is a solid defender, is LH (more on that in a second), and has the ability to lead off because he understands the role (unlike Mr. 150 K's from the spot, Bourn). Pointing out that he's LH means the lineup would come together nicely:
Gordon (LH)
Prado (RH)
Heyward (LH)
Upton (RH)
Freeman (LH)
Uggla (RH)
McCann (LH)
Simmons (RH)
That's balance if I've ever seen it.
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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:16 PM
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We re-signed Reed Johnson for a year and a club option following. Glad we got him back; I enjoy watching him play.
RedSkiesAtNightRedSkiesAtNightRedSkiesAtNight
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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:57 AM
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He still has a potential for more power. It's crazy how he's ended up after being an all-world prospect that was supposed to be Josh Hamilton-esque. packmanncsu wrote: ^ Alex Gordon may be the next guy up in the potential LF order. Surprisingly, I think he'd actually be a decent lead off option. Unconventional, but he did lead off for the Royals last year during some of their better streaks of offensive production and the key is his OBP as you mentioned. He plays LF, is a solid defender, is LH (more on that in a second), and has the ability to lead off because he understands the role (unlike Mr. 150 K's from the spot, Bourn). Pointing out that he's LH means the lineup would come together nicely:
Gordon (LH)
Prado (RH)
Heyward (LH)
Upton (RH)
Freeman (LH)
Uggla (RH)
McCann (LH)
Simmons (RH)
That's balance if I've ever seen it. |
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Posted: 12/7/2012 5:20 PM
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232BectonHall wrote: We re-signed Reed Johnson for a year and a club option following. Glad we got him back; I enjoy watching him play. Awesome pinch hitter. Glad we resigned him. Really hoping we get a solid LF, never been a fan of the whole platoon thing. |
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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:21 AM
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football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 12/8/2012 2:58 PM
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Phillies just got Michael Young from Texas to play third base and got the Rangers to pay 10 million on his 16 million dollar salary.
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 12/27/2012 6:17 PM
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Uniform news . . . new Braves BP caps. PC police are on the case already, better buy one now before it gets discontinued.  Talking Chop blog article |
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Posted: 12/27/2012 9:43 PM
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^ Do. *******.WANT!
RedSkiesAtNightRedSkiesAtNightRedSkiesAtNight
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:07 PM
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Hedjhog wrote: Uniform news . . . new Braves BP caps. PC police are on the case already, better buy one now before it gets discontinued.
Talking Chop blog article I'll pass ............... I like the throw back uni's but the new BP cap not so much. Maybe the real thing will look better but the mock up leaves alot to be desired. |
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Posted: 12/27/2012 11:45 PM
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the hat could be cool if it didn't have that cheap jean shorts vibe to it.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:32 AM
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question for Braves fans or fans of other NL East teams or baseball in general
who is the team you think will give Braves the most competition in NL East, either through player acquisition or players getting healthy?
Phillies added Young to play 3b, Revere to play cf, Howard is healthy, Utley is as healthy as he will be the rest of his career, but Ruiz has 50 game suspension and is Roy Halladay healthy?
Nationals have added Span to play CF, Haren to rotation, no pitch count for Strasburg, but have not resigned Adam LaRoche and not Red Sox are interested in LaRoche due to problems with Napoli's physical.
Marlins appear to be no more than a AAA team and I heard today that Stanton could be on the market.
Mets - David Wright and who? Is Santana healthy? will the players in the trade with Blue Jays improve this team?
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 1/2/2013 8:55 AM
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Wolfer, I think its the Nats division to lose. I dont feel the Braves have done enough to supplant them as the fav. Utley and Howard cant stay healthy and without them, the Phils are average.
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:00 AM
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wolfer79 wrote: question for Braves fans or fans of other NL East teams or baseball in general
who is the team you think will give Braves the most competition in NL East, either through player acquisition or players getting healthy?
Phillies added Young to play 3b, Revere to play cf, Howard is healthy, Utley is as healthy as he will be the rest of his career, but Ruiz has 50 game suspension and is Roy Halladay healthy?
Nationals have added Span to play CF, Haren to rotation, no pitch count for Strasburg, but have not resigned Adam LaRoche and not Red Sox are interested in LaRoche due to problems with Napoli's physical.
Marlins appear to be no more than a AAA team and I heard today that Stanton could be on the market.
Mets - David Wright and who? Is Santana healthy? will the players in the trade with Blue Jays improve this team? The Mets and Phillies worry me about equally but I honestly think the Braves are the favorite to win the division. My bias is proably showing but on paper I think the Braves are all around better. The problem with the Braves is usually some hiccup like the Marlins or Mets. The both most likely will suck this year and those will be the ones that the Braves will struggle against. In years past the Marlins have had our number despite the talent gap. If memory serves last year the Mets gave us problems while we rolled the Phillies almost every game. I'm not so much worried with the NL teams cause when yuo look at the big picture the AL has the teams that are loaded. The one team in NL that can give anyone problems is the SF Giants. Their pitching is a proven winner an they will be a tough out no matter what time of the season it is. |
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Posted: 1/2/2013 9:19 AM
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As far as the NL goes, Do not sleep on the Dodgers, they have a ton of talent now. Lets see what they can do with a full season.
As a Braves fan, I wonder if we are ever going to get a full, productive season from Dan Uggla. Is this all there is, or is he about to bust out a great year. If Uggla produced at the levels he had in the past, the last two seasons would have turned out very different for the Braves.
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/2/2013 11:38 AM
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dunlow66 wrote: As far as the NL goes, Do not sleep on the Dodgers, they have a ton of talent now. Lets see what they can do with a full season.
As a Braves fan, I wonder if we are ever going to get a full, productive season from Dan Uggla. Is this all there is, or is he about to bust out a great year. If Uggla produced at the levels he had in the past, the last two seasons would have turned out very different for the Braves. I dont care what avg he hits for, just give us 30/100 and I think most everyone would be happy. |
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Posted: 1/2/2013 11:56 AM
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Last season, Dan had a career low in hits, RBI's, HR's, batting AVG, and Slugging Percentage
A rebound season would go a long way to beefing up our offense.
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/2/2013 12:04 PM
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I think the Phillies landing Revere hurt the Braves, either Heyman or O'Brien reported that the Braves were interested in him. He would have been the leadoff LH bat that Wren was hopeful to acquire this offseason.
Personally, I don't think the Braves will finish above 3rd in the division. It's the Nationals division to lose, they gain a full season of Strasburg and are still in the fold for Laroche. If he signs, they can move Morse for pitching or depth, if he doesn't sign, Morse plays 1B. Win-win situation for them.
I also think the Phillies will be much improved than last year. I don't think Utley will ever be close to the player he was 3-4 years ago, but I see Howard having a nice bounceback season, but he's also on the decline. Their starting pitching is still as good or slightly better than the Braves.
Beachy won't be back until mid-season, Medlen will more than likely come back to Earth (still very good, but not 24 straight starts good), Hudson will still be solid, but is 2+ years older than both Halladay and Lee, and either Teheran or Delgado will have to be ready to go, day 1, and I think some of the luster has faded from both of them.
For the Braves, Upton, while a nice addition, is still Uggla with a slightly higher average and less walks. Way too many K's on this team to be a consistent run producing team. Also, I don't like McCann. It's just me, but I don't think he's as good as people make him out to be and I don't think he's going to have the type of comeback year that warranted picking up his $12MM option. The last 3-4 years he's had injuries that have hampered him, and based on his (perceived) conditioning, I don't see that trend changing (eyes, oblique, shoulder, etc..).
I'm less hopeful for their future than I was when the season ended, but I'd be thrilled if they proved me wrong.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:50 PM
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Nationals just got better Nationals re-sign LaRoche to two-year contract First baseman returns on $24M deal after career season; Morse likely to be traded mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?y...ws_mlb&c_id=mlbWith LaRoche signed, the Nationals most likely will trade Michael Morse, who was the everyday left fielder last season. The Nats' outfield is already set -- with Bryce Harper, Denard Span and Jayson Werth -- and the club feels that Morse, who can also play first base, could be a potential fit with the Rays, who have plenty of pitching prospects and are looking for an outfielder and a first baseman.
football record prediction (2010) 3-9, 1-7 (2011) 5-7, 2-6 (2012) 7-5, 4-4
MBB prediction: (2010-11) 21-9, 10-6 (2011-12) 19-12, 7-9 (2012-13) 24-7, 12-6
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:54 PM
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wolfer79 wrote: Nationals just got better
Nationals re-sign LaRoche to two-year contract
First baseman returns on $24M deal after career season; Morse likely to be traded
mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?y...lb&c_id=mlb
With LaRoche signed, the Nationals most likely will trade Michael Morse, who was the everyday left fielder last season. The Nats' outfield is already set -- with Bryce Harper, Denard Span and Jayson Werth -- and the club feels that Morse, who can also play first base, could be a potential fit with the Rays, who have plenty of pitching prospects and are looking for an outfielder and a first baseman. Not sure I would game $12 million a year on LaRoche repeating his performance of last year in all honesty. I like the guy, but I think last year was the exception to the rule. Now, that may have been their best option, I don't know. ________________________________________________________
"I wish there was a way to know you're in the good old days before you've actually left them." - Andy Bernard
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Posted: 1/8/2013 6:02 PM
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302ASullivan wrote:
wolfer79 wrote: Nationals just got better
Nationals re-sign LaRoche to two-year contract
First baseman returns on $24M deal after career season; Morse likely to be traded
mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?y...lb&c_id=mlb
With LaRoche signed, the Nationals most likely will trade Michael Morse, who was the everyday left fielder last season. The Nats' outfield is already set -- with Bryce Harper, Denard Span and Jayson Werth -- and the club feels that Morse, who can also play first base, could be a potential fit with the Rays, who have plenty of pitching prospects and are looking for an outfielder and a first baseman. Not sure I would game $12 million a year on LaRoche repeating his performance of last year in all honesty. I like the guy, but I think last year was the exception to the rule. Now, that may have been their best option, I don't know. They were probably comfortable giving him the money knowing it's really only a 2 year deal. No one wanted to go 3 years for him, so the buyout on the 3rd year is relatively low with the mutual option almost certain to not be exercised on the Nationals part. The actual breakdown is $10MM in 2013, $12MM in 2014, and a $2MM buyout of the option for 2015. So it's a little cheaper than being reported. He's always been a good defensive first-baseman, minus his hiccups in Atlanta which stemmed from his ADD and have been corrected by medication. He'll probably not repeat last year, but his LH bat gives them a little more balance. Morse is perfect for the AL and should fetch a decent player or two in return. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:46 AM
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Bourn is still unsigned and his his options of teams looking for a CF are dwindling. Aside from Boras being his agent and is a hard arse when it comes to negotiations, what do you guys think about the possibility of him coming back on a 1 year contract? It certainly lessens the pressure on Gattis, Juan Francisco to perform as platoon players in LF and 3rd base respectively.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:29 AM
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technodude wrote: Bourn is still unsigned and his his options of teams looking for a CF are dwindling. Aside from Boras being his agent and is a hard arse when it comes to negotiations, what do you guys think about the possibility of him coming back on a 1 year contract? It certainly lessens the pressure on Gattis, Juan Francisco to perform as platoon players in LF and 3rd base respectively. I would not mind it but with another month or so left in the signing period, someone is going to throw some money at him. Given that and the Braves stance on Boras I'd be very surprised if it happens. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 8:36 AM
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Can't imagine the Braves getting Bourn. He turned down 13.3 million for a year. I don't think the Braves will offer him more than 10 now. So he'd look really stupid. The only option would be if the Braves told Bourn they wouldn't make him an offer next year so he could go on the market as a free agent w/o a draft pick attached to him. But the CBA says you can't do that, and even if it was a back room deal, if they don't offer Bourn next year it will be obvious.
Looks like he'll have to get a deal with Seattle.
I'll believe it when I see it, but it would be great if this is the offseason where Boras looks like a moron and loses some clients.
Refuse to accept the status quo-Wolfpack Unlimited |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 9:42 AM
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^ someone will get hurt and Bourne and Boras will be right there to fill the gap - its just a matter of time.
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:23 AM
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Doesn't work like that...not a lot of teams out there that can find 10+ million when a guy gets hurt.
If Bourn does not get a deal of 4+ years at more than 13 million per year, then Boras lost.
That deal is not a deal for an injury.
An injury is signing Grady Sizemore for 1 year and 5 million at the All star break.
Refuse to accept the status quo-Wolfpack Unlimited |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 10:59 AM
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Russ2dollas wrote: Doesn't work like that...not a lot of teams out there that can find 10+ million when a guy gets hurt.
If Bourn does not get a deal of 4+ years at more than 13 million per year, then Boras lost.
That deal is not a deal for an injury.
An injury is signing Grady Sizemore for 1 year and 5 million at the All star break. It does work like that - if you have the dollars to spend. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:10 AM
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okay...so Boras has to hope that the nationals, redsocks, dodgers, yankees, phillies, rangers or angels have an acl injury to their CF? Injury fill ins don't get multiyear deals. Cinci should sign him to a 3 year deal but that would make too much sense... Motorcat wrote:
Russ2dollas wrote: Doesn't work like that...not a lot of teams out there that can find 10+ million when a guy gets hurt.
If Bourn does not get a deal of 4+ years at more than 13 million per year, then Boras lost.
That deal is not a deal for an injury.
An injury is signing Grady Sizemore for 1 year and 5 million at the All star break.
It does work like that - if you have the dollars to spend. Refuse to accept the status quo-Wolfpack Unlimited |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:17 AM
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Russ2dollas wrote: okay...so Boras has to hope that the nationals, redsocks, dodgers, yankees, phillies, rangers or angels have an acl injury to their CF?
Injury fill ins don't get multiyear deals.
Cinci should sign him to a 3 year deal but that would make too much sense...
Motorcat wrote:
Russ2dollas wrote: Doesn't work like that...not a lot of teams out there that can find 10+ million when a guy gets hurt.
If Bourn does not get a deal of 4+ years at more than 13 million per year, then Boras lost.
That deal is not a deal for an injury.
An injury is signing Grady Sizemore for 1 year and 5 million at the All star break.
It does work like that - if you have the dollars to spend. --- your the one that wanted to split hairs  |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:22 AM
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Can't understand why the Nats would take Laroche over Morse. Morse is a hitting machine. I wish the Braves could find a place for him.
NCSU Class of 94
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:26 AM
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huffwolf wrote: Can't understand why the Nats would take Laroche over Morse. Morse is a hitting machine. I wish the Braves could find a place for him. +1 I was impressed with Morse as well last year. |
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Posted: 1/9/2013 11:59 AM
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Motorcat wrote:
huffwolf wrote: Can't understand why the Nats would take Laroche over Morse. Morse is a hitting machine. I wish the Braves could find a place for him.
+1
I was impressed with Morse as well last year. With Morse their lineup was too RH heavy, with Span and Harper being the only LH hitters. Espinosa is a SH, but he'll hit at about a .230 clip, so calling him a hitter isn't exactly true. Laroche provides better defense at 1B and the Nationals probably think someone like Tampa or Seattle will overpay for Morse because they can put him in the OF, at 1B, or in the DH slot. He is around 3 years younger than Laroche, so it's possible for them to get more in return and younger at the same time. They may want a LH reliever and/or a 2B (to compete with Espinosa). |
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:31 PM
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Justin Upton refused a trade to the Seattle Mariners, Maybe the Braves can get back in the hunt for Upton without having to give up Simmons.
"Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:00 PM
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Zona found their SS in the Trevor Bauer deal. Now they need pitching. I'd evaluate and see which we could give up of Delgado or Teheran and make a package. Upton would be an epic signing since BJ is already locked up for a whole. That would give us 3 stud offensive and defensive OFs with plenty of pop.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:18 PM
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MattRivNCSU wrote: Zona found their SS in the Trevor Bauer deal. Now they need pitching. I'd evaluate and see which we could give up of Delgado or Teheran and make a package. Upton would be an epic signing since BJ is already locked up for a whole. That would give us 3 stud offensive and defensive OFs with plenty of pop. Hearing Seattle is looking for a top flight minor league shortstop to go along with 2 or 3 pitchers in a deal for Upton. Nick Franklin was reportedly one of the players offered in the proposed trade, He is a former first round pick in '09 and a shortstop. "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
Last edited 1/11/2013 9:24 PM by dunlow66
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Posted: 1/11/2013 9:35 PM
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man, I am so ready for baseball
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:53 PM
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Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers said he isn't lowering his trade request for star outfielder Justin Upton in the wake of the monster Marinersdeal that didn't go through. "I'm not taking less," Towers said here in a brief interview at the Scouts Foundation dinner. "I'm in no hurry."
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...d-mariners-deal "Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority."
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Posted: 1/13/2013 12:56 PM
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Braves site is reporting increased likelihood of getting Jason Upton. (At least, as of last night.) We shall see. dunlow66 wrote: Diamondbacks general manager Kevin Towers said he isn't lowering his trade request for star outfielder Justin Upton in the wake of the monster Marinersdeal that didn't go through. "I'm not taking less," Towers said here in a brief interview at the Scouts Foundation dinner. "I'm in no hurry."
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/b...d-mariners-deal |
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