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OK where are we?

Posted: 2/3/2013 2:16 PM

OK where are we? 


after a very unimpressive win over a team you should have blown out at the barn where are we.  we did not look good, played zero offense, had zero bench scoring however Elliot played well and gives hope that next year we at least have one big man.

I think the game has passed Tubby up and we need to look for a younger coach ready to take this program further.   

we struggle to score, we struggle to get the ball inbounds, we struggle on staying with faster guards(and guards are our stong area), we turn the ball over way too much. 

so if a new coach is not the answer what is?
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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:19 AM

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I was going to post a new thread about next year, but will use this thread for it...

What do we do next year when Mbakwe and Williams are gone? We will have three nice guards returning, but...what do we have down low? Walker and Elliason are going to have to turn their games up immensely for us to be in the top 25 next year.

And regarding the original question...I too wonder where we are right now. This team is immensely talented...but after being ranked in the top 10, we lose 4 in a row...granted two of those loses were against teams that at one time were ranked #1 in the nation, but then we lose to mediocre teams in NW, and Wisconsin....followed by 2 wins against poor teams...one of which we narrowly escaped. I give Tubby credit for bringing in a team with the talent of a top 10 team, but I seriously have to question what has been going on the last 5 out of 6 games.

Without a solid tournament run this year, I have to think the time for a change needs to come...yet, I think we are financially bound to Tubby for awhile, unless he decides to leave on his own will.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 11:47 AM

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skauma wrote: I was going to post a new thread about next year, but will use this thread for it...

What do we do next year when Mbakwe and Williams are gone? We will have three nice guards returning, but...what do we have down low? Walker and Elliason are going to have to turn their games up immensely for us to be in the top 25 next year.

And regarding the original question...I too wonder where we are right now. This team is immensely talented...but after being ranked in the top 10, we lose 4 in a row...granted two of those loses were against teams that at one time were ranked #1 in the nation, but then we lose to mediocre teams in NW, and Wisconsin....followed by 2 wins against poor teams...one of which we narrowly escaped. I give Tubby credit for bringing in a team with the talent of a top 10 team, but I seriously have to question what has been going on the last 5 out of 6 games.

Without a solid tournament run this year, I have to think the time for a change needs to come...yet, I think we are financially bound to Tubby for awhile, unless he decides to leave on his own will.
I think we have five parts of a top ten team in Dre, Tin, Joe, Rodney, and Trevor. After that I'm not convinced we have any more power conference caliber players though its really hard to judge Wally and impossible to judge Buggs.
 
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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:19 PM

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17-5
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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:15 PM

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I'm sick and tired of the love for Joe Coleman. The guy is playing GUARD and is a BRICK. He gets all this love for being a "hustle" guy when I see him constantly outworked on the floor. Sure, did he make a few shots that have helped us win some games? Yeah, but man does he look terrible doing it and turns the ball over like no ones business.

Now, onto Tubby. I agree, there are many times where things are his fault, but good god people, eventually, the guys just have to go out and execute. Plain and simple. There's only so much coaching a guy can do.

A Proud Minnesotan to the day I die

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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:32 PM

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beast10 wrote: I'm sick and tired of the love for Joe Coleman. The guy is playing GUARD and is a BRICK. He gets all this love for being a "hustle" guy when I see him constantly outworked on the floor. Sure, did he make a few shots that have helped us win some games? Yeah, but man does he look terrible doing it and turns the ball over like no ones business.

Now, onto Tubby. I agree, there are many times where things are his fault, but good god people, eventually, the guys just have to go out and execute. Plain and simple. There's only so much coaching a guy can do.
I've made this argument more than a few times.
Shhh..... My Common Sense is Tingling. 
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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:42 PM

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yeah i get it that the players have to execute but sometimes its the coaches demeanor that the players pick up on that dictates how the games go.

these are not paid professionals out there its the coaches (all of them) job to instill the work ethic into these guys.  can you say that the top teams in the nation shoot free throws at a terrible percentage like the gophers do.  a high school coach woudl have them shooting 100's of free thows a night if they shot that poorly. 

but really guys if you watched the Iowa game it was a perfect example of getting out coached.  the Iowa guards were getting set up by picks to get open.  our guys stand around.  if Tubby had an offense instilled that would get his shooters open liek that we woudl not be having this discussion.

Tubby has to put the offense in for the players to execute.  besides the three guard weave that we sloppily run what other offense do we run?
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Posted: 2/4/2013 8:10 PM

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The patented Tubby standing offense is a classic offense designed to give defenders a rest. redface

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Posted: 2/4/2013 8:44 PM

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benthere2 wrote:  can you say that the top teams in the nation shoot free throws at a terrible percentage like the gophers do.  a high school coach woudl have them shooting 100's of free thows a night if they shot that poorly. 


I'm kind of venting, but I'm sick and tired of this argument too. Do you really think these guys don't shoot 100's of free throws???? Honestly people. Shooting free throws is like a field goal kicker in a football game. you can practice all you want, but eventually you just have to make them in a game. Sure, practicing helps you with the muscle memory, but you can't simulate game-like situations in practice.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:13 PM

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beast10 wrote:
benthere2 wrote:  can you say that the top teams in the nation shoot free throws at a terrible percentage like the gophers do.  a high school coach woudl have them shooting 100's of free thows a night if they shot that poorly. 


I'm kind of venting, but I'm sick and tired of this argument too. Do you really think these guys don't shoot 100's of free throws???? Honestly people. Shooting free throws is like a field goal kicker in a football game. you can practice all you want, but eventually you just have to make them in a game. Sure, practicing helps you with the muscle memory, but you can't simulate game-like situations in practice.
A missed free throw is one thing but shooting 68% from the free throw line for 8th in the big ten.  I am not saying one here or there but as a group; 8th?   they would be 10th in the Big East; 7th in the Big 12;

yes the players have to play and i am sick of people saying the kids are the problem.  they are a reflection of the coaching staff.  you look at the great coaches around and you see how the players mirror their coaches. 

you tear down kids and then build them up.  maybe this is the way Tubby is going at it.  make them play so bad that they ralley around each other and become stronger towards the end. 

time will tell
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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:53 PM

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benthere2 wrote:
beast10 wrote:
benthere2 wrote:  can you say that the top teams in the nation shoot free throws at a terrible percentage like the gophers do.  a high school coach woudl have them shooting 100's of free thows a night if they shot that poorly. 


I'm kind of venting, but I'm sick and tired of this argument too. Do you really think these guys don't shoot 100's of free throws???? Honestly people. Shooting free throws is like a field goal kicker in a football game. you can practice all you want, but eventually you just have to make them in a game. Sure, practicing helps you with the muscle memory, but you can't simulate game-like situations in practice.
A missed free throw is one thing but shooting 68% from the free throw line for 8th in the big ten.  I am not saying one here or there but as a group; 8th?   they would be 10th in the Big East; 7th in the Big 12;


Don't get me wrong, I agree free throw shooting is a major concern and has been for a while, but people simply saying just shooting more free throws is the solution is ridiculous.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 10:58 PM

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benthere2 wrote:
beast10 wrote:
benthere2 wrote:  can you say that the top teams in the nation shoot free throws at a terrible percentage like the gophers do.  a high school coach woudl have them shooting 100's of free thows a night if they shot that poorly. 


I'm kind of venting, but I'm sick and tired of this argument too. Do you really think these guys don't shoot 100's of free throws???? Honestly people. Shooting free throws is like a field goal kicker in a football game. you can practice all you want, but eventually you just have to make them in a game. Sure, practicing helps you with the muscle memory, but you can't simulate game-like situations in practice.
A missed free throw is one thing but shooting 68% from the free throw line for 8th in the big ten.  I am not saying one here or there but as a group; 8th?   they would be 10th in the Big East; 7th in the Big 12;

yes the players have to play and i am sick of people saying the kids are the problem.  they are a reflection of the coaching staff.  you look at the great coaches around and you see how the players mirror their coaches. 

you tear down kids and then build them up.  maybe this is the way Tubby is going at it.  make them play so bad that they ralley around each other and become stronger towards the end. 

time will tell
This. This is the biggest issue.

Tubby blames the players. The players blame each other (which Tubby has talked about).
 
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Posted: 2/5/2013 12:08 PM

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AShreve20 wrote: 17-5
+1

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Posted: 2/5/2013 7:08 PM

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beast10 wrote:
AShreve20 wrote: 17-5
+1
+2?
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