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Here come the Hoosiers !

Posted: 1/8/2013 2:35 PM

Here come the Hoosiers ! 


HI guys. Been a while since I have posted on your board.

But I have always enjoyed being a visitor here, and appreciate that you have always been more than kind, any time I have visited.

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So.  Got to say I am looking forward the the game.
 
As I am sure you are as well.

Just wanted to stop in an see how you guys feel about the game.

It should be a good one.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:54 PM

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it should be a good one.  always tough on the road in the Bten.  Hope We can sneak a W out on the road!
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:55 PM

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I'm expecting you guys to win though I hope we can keep it close. If we can win two out of our next three I'll feel good about the top 10 ranking. If we lose 2/3 We're still probably a top 15 team and if we drop all three we may have to re-evaluate this team. If by some miracle we win all three we might be looking at a Big Ten title though it's a long ways to go. Next three games are @ Illinois @ Indiana vs. Michigan.
 
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Posted: 1/8/2013 4:08 PM

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The Big Ten is so damn tough this year.  It's going to be a very good match up because the Gophers play such good D and can really clean up on the boards.  And we have 4 guys who can go off at any time whether it's Mbakwe or Rodney inside and Dre or Austin from outside.  And you can't forget Coleman who does a little bit of everything.

Should see some very good games over the next week with Illinois, Indiana and Michigan.  I think it's really going to come down to bench play and how guys like Eliason, Mav, Ingram and Welch can play.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 5:49 PM

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We haven't seen how this team plays on the road against a good team yet this year so it should be a good test for us. We did win in Bloomington last year, so that bodes well for our guys confidence. That being said, IU is one of the few teams in the conference (along with Sparty) that really has the athletic ability to matchup with us. It's not a game where if we get out and run, we'll win, because IU loves to do that as well.

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Posted: 1/8/2013 7:27 PM

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milehiiu wrote: HI guys. Been a while since I have posted on your board.

But I have always enjoyed being a visitor here, and appreciate that you have always been more than kind, any time I have visited.

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So.  Got to say I am looking forward the the game.
 
As I am sure you are as well.

Just wanted to stop in an see how you guys feel about the game.

It should be a good one.

I haven't seen Indiana play this year -- give me the scouting report on your D. Are you primarily zone or man-to-man? If you go man-to-man we're going seriously challenge you on the boards, we'll get plenty of second shots and putbacks. "The Beast" is back this year and he's got a solid posse to help him clean up the glass. If you go zone then we'll need someone to get hot on shooting from 3 point land -- it's certainly happened (e.g., v. Northwestern), but I'm still not that confident that we can hit 3's consistently every game.

As FYI, on our end we go deep into the bench and do so early on in the game -- too soon for my preference -- but it has given a lot of players game time. Someone getting into early foul trouble is not nearly as big of a deal for the Gophers as it was in past years. Our scoring is also pretty balanced, we're not a one-person's-the-star team.

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Posted: 1/9/2013 4:38 PM

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livingat45north wrote:
milehiiu wrote: HI guys. Been a while since I have posted on your board.

But I have always enjoyed being a visitor here, and appreciate that you have always been more than kind, any time I have visited.

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So.  Got to say I am looking forward the the game.
 
As I am sure you are as well.

Just wanted to stop in an see how you guys feel about the game.

It should be a good one.

I haven't seen Indiana play this year -- give me the scouting report on your D. Are you primarily zone or man-to-man? If you go man-to-man we're going seriously challenge you on the boards, we'll get plenty of second shots and putbacks. "The Beast" is back this year and he's got a solid posse to help him clean up the glass. If you go zone then we'll need someone to get hot on shooting from 3 point land -- it's certainly happened (e.g., v. Northwestern), but I'm still not that confident that we can hit 3's consistently every game.

As FYI, on our end we go deep into the bench and do so early on in the game -- too soon for my preference -- but it has given a lot of players game time. Someone getting into early foul trouble is not nearly as big of a deal for the Gophers as it was in past years. Our scoring is also pretty balanced, we're not a one-person's-the-star team.

Victor Oladipo is perhaps the best defender in college basketball and Cody Zeller can clog up the middle.  As good as Mbakwe is, he'll struggle against Zeller's 7' frame.  

I look for a defensive scrum and one of the most physical games of the season in this one.  The big difference is that this game is being played at Assembly Hall. We won't catch Indiana sleeping this year.

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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:10 AM

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livingat45north wrote:

I haven't seen Indiana play this year -- give me the scouting report on your D. Are you primarily zone or man-to-man? If you go man-to-man we're going seriously challenge you on the boards, we'll get plenty of second shots and putbacks. "The Beast" is back this year and he's got a solid posse to help him clean up the glass. If you go zone then we'll need someone to get hot on shooting from 3 point land -- it's certainly happened (e.g., v. Northwestern), but I'm still not that confident that we can hit 3's consistently every game.

As FYI, on our end we go deep into the bench and do so early on in the game -- too soon for my preference -- but it has given a lot of players game time. Someone getting into early foul trouble is not nearly as big of a deal for the Gophers as it was in past years. Our scoring is also pretty balanced, we're not a one-person's-the-star team.

First of all.  Congrats on the win over Illinois on Wednesday.   Great job in a tough environment. 

As far as what type of defense IU plays..... well Crean will play both man to man as well as zone, depending upon the team and or the situation personnel wise during the game. 

New this year, because of IU's depth is a switch everything defense whether man to man or zone.  It's something Crean learned from the great Louisviille Crum defensive teams of the late 89's and early 90's.  As a result, you will see a lot of help side defense regardless of the set that IU is in.

As far as depth, IU is much like Minnesota, in that IU generally goes seven to nine deep on a regular basis, without any measurable drop off.  Plus scoring is distributed evenly.  Five players are averaging in double figures.  Offensively IU will take whatever the defense gives them.  They can hit the three as they are one of the leading three point teams in the nation. But unlike the team Minnesota faced on Wednesday, IU does not live on the perimeter, as they are a very unselfish team, and move the ball extremely well, finding the open man. Currently, IU leads the nation in scoring.

Bottom line for me, as I have said, IU and Minnesota are similar in a lot of ways.  Both play good to great defense.  Both have multiple threats on offense.  And both play with a lot of heart.

Should be a shootout at Assembly Hall, with the best team getting the W, in the end.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:03 PM

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The Big Ten is so damn tough this year.  It's going to be a very good match up because the Gophers play such good D and can really clean up on the boards.  And we have 4 guys who can go off at any time whether it's Mbakwe or Rodney inside and Dre or Austin from outside.  And you can't forget Coleman who does a little bit of everything.

Should see some very good games over the next week with Illinois, Indiana and Michigan.  I think it's really going to come down to bench play and how guys like Eliason, Mav, Ingram and Welch can play.

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That last point you make is interesting and I agree. I was disappointed to see how badly they handled the pressure of a hostile environment on the road in Illinois. We need them to step up big if we are to be legit Big Ten title contenders

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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:31 PM

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BIGPAPAJON wrote:

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--- Jonas2 wrote:

The Big Ten is so damn tough this year.  It's going to be a very good match up because the Gophers play such good D and can really clean up on the boards.  And we have 4 guys who can go off at any time whether it's Mbakwe or Rodney inside and Dre or Austin from outside.  And you can't forget Coleman who does a little bit of everything.

Should see some very good games over the next week with Illinois, Indiana and Michigan.  I think it's really going to come down to bench play and how guys like Eliason, Mav, Ingram and Welch can play.

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That last point you make is interesting and I agree. I was disappointed to see how badly they handled the pressure of a hostile environment on the road in Illinois. We need them to step up big if we are to be legit Big Ten title contenders
Welch played ok but Mav, Ingram, and Elliason were simply outclassed last night.
 
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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:54 PM

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BIGPAPAJON wrote:

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--- Jonas2 wrote:

The Big Ten is so damn tough this year.  It's going to be a very good match up because the Gophers play such good D and can really clean up on the boards.  And we have 4 guys who can go off at any time whether it's Mbakwe or Rodney inside and Dre or Austin from outside.  And you can't forget Coleman who does a little bit of everything.

Should see some very good games over the next week with Illinois, Indiana and Michigan.  I think it's really going to come down to bench play and how guys like Eliason, Mav, Ingram and Welch can play.

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That last point you make is interesting and I agree. I was disappointed to see how badly they handled the pressure of a hostile environment on the road in Illinois. We need them to step up big if we are to be legit Big Ten title contenders
Welch played ok but Mav, Ingram, and Elliason were simply outclassed last night.

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Yeah exactly. Mav and Elliason looked like deer in headlights. Cannot handle the big game.

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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:46 PM

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I like Mav and i think he needs a little morethan 5 minutes to get into the flow.  I know if he played better inthose 5 he woudl have earned more.  Dont give up on him or Elliot as they will provide very important minutes down the stretch this year. 

I think tubby knew he needed that game as IU and MU are going to very tough games.

Think about this guys.  our team has not put together a game where everyone is on.  When that happens i dont think Duke could beat them.  But of course it will be tough to get them all firing together and all score 30 points.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:45 AM

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Yeah I agree. Those guys will turn into very serviceable backups and thats all we need them to be. We are one of very few teams in the country with the opportunity to put in 4 fresh guys and maintain our game rather than allow big runs to opposing starters. Our depth is phenomina and is going to only get better with more PT l and could prove to be the difference maker in the BT/BT tourney/NCAA tourney

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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:04 AM

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Thanks for your cordial welcome once again to your board.  Great discussion. You guys are great !

Here's a link about the game on Saturday from HoosierSportsNation, that I think you all might enjoy.

http://www.hoosiersportsnation.com/index.php?/blog /18/entry-143-better-late-than-never-the-minnesota -preview/
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:32 AM

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It seems that a lot of people discounting the Gophers bench on HoosierNation. Our bench played terribly I thought at Illinois, as others have already mentioned in this thread. But while our bench doesn't have any high level starting caliber players or guys who will produce a alot (at least when it comes to scoring) our bench does help quite a bit. Our bench has a lot of roll players who can play their roll well (Ahanmisi and Elliason didn't Weds night) and with paired with starters can be very complimentary players and eat minutes while fulfilling those rolls and playing good D. Tubby is confortable enough with the bench to sub 5 in at the same time and remove all starters. I'm sure he'll continue to do that, although I think he made some good adjustments in the last game with use of the bench (as they weren't performing that great) in throwing out a couple starters at the same time. We regularly play 11 players a game and have done so in all our games against quality opponents so far this season. The biggest thing our bench provides, if not points, is that it allows our starters to rest at key times and they've been able to have legs in the 2nd quarter to close out games, while our opponents seem to tire out. I don't really us to wear down IU as I know they are a very deep team too (more in quality vs. quantity), but I've heard some IU fans think they will wear us down due to "our bad bench" and that shouldn't be the case. If we are wore down by the end of 2nd half, it will mean our bench performed even worse than Illinois and Tubby had to change his strategy from the norm altogether (which I guess is a possibilty playing as good as a team as IU) but would probably more likely due to playing 2 road games back to back within same week.

Overall it should be an exciting game. Though if I had to make a prediction, I'd have to say 70-78 in favor of IU. But we are capable of winning, so we'll see.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:23 PM

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I was able to snag some tickets to the IU game this week while I am home for Christmas break so I am pretty pumped. I am hoping we handle the crowd well and come out with a W.

I think Mbakwe has a chance to push Zeller around but when he comes out that could be a problem. I think our guards match up pretty evenly and it could come down to free throws and how we handle the crowd tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 5:13 PM

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The game is goin to come down to bench play and just executing our game just like we did against Illinois. Rebounding could be the difference which we will come out on top in. Ive been utterly impressed with the gophers in almost every game but theres aspects of Indianas game I haven't been all that impressed with. I really think the Gophers athleticism and depth will be too much for Indiana to handle. I like our chances much more against them than Michigan.

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Posted: 1/12/2013 6:58 AM

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AShreve20 wrote: It seems that a lot of people discounting the Gophers bench on HoosierNation. Our bench played terribly I thought at Illinois, as others have already mentioned in this thread. But while our bench doesn't have any high level starting caliber players or guys who will produce a alot (at least when it comes to scoring) our bench does help quite a bit. Our bench has a lot of roll players who can play their roll well (Ahanmisi and Elliason didn't Weds night) and with paired with starters can be very complimentary players and eat minutes while fulfilling those rolls and playing good D. Tubby is confortable enough with the bench to sub 5 in at the same time and remove all starters. I'm sure he'll continue to do that, although I think he made some good adjustments in the last game with use of the bench (as they weren't performing that great) in throwing out a couple starters at the same time. We regularly play 11 players a game and have done so in all our games against quality opponents so far this season. The biggest thing our bench provides, if not points, is that it allows our starters to rest at key times and they've been able to have legs in the 2nd quarter to close out games, while our opponents seem to tire out. I don't really us to wear down IU as I know they are a very deep team too (more in quality vs. quantity), but I've heard some IU fans think they will wear us down due to "our bad bench" and that shouldn't be the case. If we are wore down by the end of 2nd half, it will mean our bench performed even worse than Illinois and Tubby had to change his strategy from the norm altogether (which I guess is a possibilty playing as good as a team as IU) but would probably more likely due to playing 2 road games back to back within same week.

Overall it should be an exciting game. Though if I had to make a prediction, I'd have to say 70-78 in favor of IU. But we are capable of winning, so we'll see.
Not all people on Hoosier Sports Nation, as you say are discounting Minnesota's depth.  Certainly not me.  And certainly not Tom Crean, as he specifically addressed Minnesota's depth in his pre-game PC.  Coach Crean talked about how deep your team does, and also had many nice things to say about Coach Smith.  Specially pointing out how his teams typically improve as the season progresses. Coach Crean also feels that Coach Smith is a Hall of Fame coach.  And on both of the points Crean made about Minnesota's depth and coach... I completely agree.

I am expecting a great game on Saturday.  Hoping it is exciting and injury free.
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Posted: 1/12/2013 9:19 PM

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I posted on my home board (Hoosier Sports Nation) before the game that Minnesota scared the Beegeebees out of me.

Then at half time, even with a 23 point lead, I told my son that my stomach was churning over the thought of losing this game to you guys.

And I was right. IU nearly blew the 23 point lead.

Which proves to me that Minnesota is a team to contend with.

Congrats on the comeback.  Glad my team won.

But there is no doubt in my mind that Minnesota is one of the the elite teams in the Big Ten this season. 

Good luck and stay injury free.... the rest of the season.
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