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Posted: 9/12/2012 6:47 AM

Trouble In The Middle East 


Are we looking at the murders in Libya as a small group of radicals or is this the start of a major multi nation religious jihad?

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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:59 AM

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Before this thread takes off, I wanted to weigh in. It's important when looking at events like this to understand why these people did this. Not approve, mind you, but understand. This is a really good video that explains that perspective:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgOVOPLTYI

I would encourage you to watch the whole video. The typical American belief system surrounding the war in the middle east is not the entire story. It's not incorrect, mind you, but it's not the whole story. I hate the way America is treated in the Middle East as much as the conservatives, but I also understand why it's treated that way.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 9:01 AM

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And yes this looks like there are two independent, escalating events in Egypt and Libya. I wouldn't call it a Jihad yet, but it is escalating.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 9:05 AM

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I wonder sometimes if consulates and embassies are even necessary.  In today's world of satellite communications, etc., why do we have them?  I understand that they are major players in assisting Americans traveling abroad and in overseas commerce, but can that be done some other way? 

Let's just close them down and bring those people home.  Take away the stage and the actors cannot act a fool.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 11:29 AM

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florabamacat wrote: I wonder sometimes if consulates and embassies are even necessary.  In today's world of satellite communications, etc., why do we have them?  I understand that they are major players in assisting Americans traveling abroad and in overseas commerce, but can that be done some other way? 

Let's just close them down and bring those people home.  Take away the stage and the actors cannot act a fool.
That is a great point.

I could see having a "haven" at the major airport of the country.  The "haven" would allow the American citizen to have communication to the State Department.

On the post relative to the whole story of the Middle East, how far back in History do you want to go?  I am Catholic.  I am not fond of those who take shots at my religion (some with good reason),  but I am not going to be party to violence concerning that behavior.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 11:41 AM

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I don't know how we can possibly position ourselves as a free society and keep these situations from occurring.  There will always be times when idiots respond irrationally to actions by other idiots.

I would pay close attention to what happens in the Middle East (primarily Egypt) this Friday.  That is a typical day of prayer when these things get out of hand.

The guy who made the film will likely gain by its notoriety now.  He says he doesn't know who translated it into Egyptian and released it on 9/11.  I say bullshit!  Timing is everything and his film was unknown up until this happened.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 12:40 PM

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The report I heard earlier this morning had that radical right-wing preacher in Florida, Terry Jones...........the one who burned the Koran last year..............as one of the "good Christians" behind this film that stirred all the sh!t up.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:02 PM

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See how everybody else gets caught up in the middle of the narrow perspectives of right wing extremists?
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:04 PM

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KSUTexan wrote: The report I heard earlier this morning had that radical right-wing preacher in Florida, Terry Jones...........the one who burned the Koran last year..............as one of the "good Christians" behind this film that stirred all the sh!t up.
The filmmaker got his funding from radical Jews from Israel.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:17 PM

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I was listening to the news as I was getting ready for work, so admittedly I didn't pay strict attention to it, but the report said this Florida preacher was involved in some form or fashion and it even showed his picture.  Not sure exactly what his role in this may have been, though.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 1:40 PM

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Here's another report about his involvement.  This guy's a real piece of work.

http://www.christianpost.com/n...nd-egypt-81510/
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Posted: 9/12/2012 5:18 PM

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"Sad that, for some, Pastor Terry Jones represents America and mobs in Benghazi and Cairo represent Libya and Egypt," tweeted Ravi Somaiya, a journalist at the New York Times' London bureau.


Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/n...gMuoJiOBorIv.99

                           

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Posted: 9/12/2012 5:34 PM

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Here you have it, straight from Willard's mouth:

Romney said it was “a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values ... Apology for America’s values is never the right course.”

Yep, you read that right, Romney believes that Pator Terry Jones represents AMERICA'S VALUES!!


Holy sh!t this dude hasn't a clue....

                           

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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:34 PM

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ChemicalKat wrote: Before this thread takes off, I wanted to weigh in. It's important when looking at events like this to understand why these people did this. Not approve, mind you, but understand. This is a really good video that explains that perspective:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgOVOPLTYI

I would encourage you to watch the whole video. The typical American belief system surrounding the war in the middle east is not the entire story. It's not incorrect, mind you, but it's not the whole story. I hate the way America is treated in the Middle East as much as the conservatives, but I also understand why it's treated that way.
Yes, after watching this video, how can any sane person disagree with Bush's decision to liberate those Iraqi people.


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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:56 PM

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or liberate the Iraqi regime from their weapons of mass destruction...oops

                           

Last edited 9/12/2012 8:57 PM by WildWillieCat

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Posted: 9/12/2012 9:48 PM

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MajorAppleCat wrote:
ChemicalKat wrote: Before this thread takes off, I wanted to weigh in. It's important when looking at events like this to understand why these people did this. Not approve, mind you, but understand. This is a really good video that explains that perspective:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgOVOPLTYI

I would encourage you to watch the whole video. The typical American belief system surrounding the war in the middle east is not the entire story. It's not incorrect, mind you, but it's not the whole story. I hate the way America is treated in the Middle East as much as the conservatives, but I also understand why it's treated that way.
Yes, after watching this video, how can any sane person disagree with Bush's decision to liberate those Iraqi people.

the point of the lecture wasn't to justify invasion. Swung and whiffed
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Posted: 9/13/2012 11:21 AM

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http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

Not everyone in Libya is happy about what happened.
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Posted: 9/13/2012 12:12 PM

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Are we looking at the murders in Libya as a small group of radicals or is this the start of a major multi nation religious jihad?

Scary

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We are already there. The difference is that the enemies are groups instead of countries (with the exception of Iran). I am far from an expert, but I do know that neither political party has the answer. I am not sure the US can do a whole lot. Until the regular folks get sick of the radicals and isolate or destroy them, this will continue.

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Posted: 9/13/2012 3:47 PM

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ChemicalKat wrote:
MajorAppleCat wrote:
ChemicalKat wrote: Before this thread takes off, I wanted to weigh in. It's important when looking at events like this to understand why these people did this. Not approve, mind you, but understand. This is a really good video that explains that perspective:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IgOVOPLTYI

I would encourage you to watch the whole video. The typical American belief system surrounding the war in the middle east is not the entire story. It's not incorrect, mind you, but it's not the whole story. I hate the way America is treated in the Middle East as much as the conservatives, but I also understand why it's treated that way.
Yes, after watching this video, how can any sane person disagree with Bush's decision to liberate those Iraqi people.

the point of the lecture wasn't to justify invasion. Swung and whiffed
No....  The point of the video was "empathy" for those poor souls who we ignored in favor of an established elite class... in order to serve our unending lust for oil.... I got it.  Now every lib should be happy that Bush "liberated" those poor souls.


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Posted: 9/13/2012 3:50 PM

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WildWillieCat wrote: Here you have it, straight from Willard's mouth:

Romney said it was “a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values ... Apology for America’s values is never the right course.”

Yep, you read that right, Romney believes that Pator Terry Jones represents AMERICA'S VALUES!!


Holy sh!t this dude hasn't a clue....
How did you come up with that???
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Posted: 9/13/2012 4:00 PM

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gise1 wrote:
WildWillieCat wrote: Here you have it, straight from Willard's mouth:

Romney said it was “a terrible course for America to stand in apology for our values ... Apology for America’s values is never the right course.”

Yep, you read that right, Romney believes that Pator Terry Jones represents AMERICA'S VALUES!!


Holy sh!t this dude hasn't a clue....
How did you come up with that???
Terry Jones supports the film and Romney argued that the embassy should not have spoken against it.  Thus...Romney believes that Pastor Jones represents America's Values.
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Posted: 9/13/2012 7:15 PM

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Using your logic then I deduce that you don't support freedom of speech.
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Posted: 9/13/2012 9:11 PM

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gise1 wrote: Using your logic then I deduce that you don't support freedom of speech.
Using yours, hate and intolerance are American values.  I guess that makes sense coming from a republican though noidea

                           

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Posted: 9/13/2012 9:45 PM

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WildWillieCat wrote:
gise1 wrote: Using your logic then I deduce that you don't support freedom of speech.
Using yours, hate and intolerance are American values.  I guess that makes sense coming from a republican though noidea
Maybe we should have the government decide what speech is hateful and intolerant.  rolleyes  Yeah, that't the ticket....


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Posted: 9/13/2012 9:52 PM

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Hate and intolerance? Kind of like how the folks that stormed the walls of the embassy in Egypt and Libya feel?
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Posted: 9/13/2012 9:54 PM

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gise1 wrote: Hate and intolerance? Kind of like how the folks that stormed the walls of the embassy in Egypt and Libya feel?
sorry, i wasn't under the impression that those people were US citizens noidea

                           

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Posted: 9/13/2012 9:54 PM

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MajorAppleCat wrote:
WildWillieCat wrote:
gise1 wrote: Using your logic then I deduce that you don't support freedom of speech.
Using yours, hate and intolerance are American values.  I guess that makes sense coming from a republican though noidea
Maybe we should have the government decide what speech is hateful and intolerant.  rolleyes  Yeah, that't the ticket....
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Posted: 9/13/2012 10:13 PM

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WildWillieCat wrote:
gise1 wrote: Hate and intolerance? Kind of like how the folks that stormed the walls of the embassy in Egypt and Libya feel?
sorry, i wasn't under the impression that those people were US citizens noidea
US Citizens safety and lives were at stake. So I have a hard time with this administration thinking it is appropriate to apologize to radicals for a stupid movie created by an individual, or cartoon or whatever depiction of Muhammed it is this time. The movie doesn't represent America, so why is America apologizing. 

What Obama hasn't figured out yet even with all his vast experience as a community organizer is that these radicals are bullies. When you cower and give in to bullies they keep on bullying.
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Posted: 9/13/2012 10:26 PM

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When did the administration apologize to radicals?

He actually denounced the violence and made a statement to the effect that this is not our way.





Can we all get in the same effing universe for once?
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Posted: 9/13/2012 10:39 PM

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BigchiefCat wrote: When did the administration apologize to radicals?

He actually denounced the violence and made a statement to the effect that this is not our way.





Can we all get in the same effing universe for once?
they can't hear ya Chief, their stream of constant misinformation precludes any rational conversation...I would bet you a sawbuck they have no idea what the President said or what Willard said or when they said it...and I would bet you an even grand they have no idea that the attack in Libya had nothing to do with film protesters

                           

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