I know there will be at least the 3 Weber lovers on here that will disagree. They even talked him up after we should have lost to Delaware and UMKC.

Just starting JO and not playing Lawrence probably would have been enough. Gipson is only good against mid-major teams. He kept giving up layups (3 strait possesions in the first half) and letting them shoot open 3s off of switches. Lawrence instantly fouls twice when we are in the bonus and misses another 3 badly (he should only be playing with the walk-ons). He gets beat off the dribble and is shooting 20-some percent this year.

I know they were shooting a lot of 3s, but not playing JO in the 2nd half still hurt us as they kept getting offensive rebounds and layups when they drove, because we werent playing anyone big.

I saw lots of decisions today that in a close game, cost us a chance to win the game. At least Spradling came through. But I still wouldn't be starting him (he sure hurt us vs Uk).

Also, when you have an All-Big 12 player. He needs to touch the ball more than a few times in the last 8 minutes. He has to set something up or tell the guys to get him the ball. Even the annoucers thought that was obvious.

"We've been lazy on the boards the last couple of games and missed a ton of open shots against KU.  If we don't fix that, we'll not only lose to ISU today, we'll lose badly.  Then, we'll have to put up with both the "I hate Weber" crowd and the "refs are conspiring against us" crowd for the next week."

This was my post today on an earlier thread.  Sure didn't take long for "end of the world" crew.  Just like clockwork.

i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

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We're not getting to the line,, but still fouling like Frank's teams did. That's not a good trade off.
And Frank would never put up with that rebounding effort.

spoofrice11 wrote: I know there will be at least the 3 Weber lovers on here that will disagree. They even talked him up after we should have lost to Delaware and UMKC.

Just starting JO and not playing Lawrence probably would have been enough. Gipson is only good against mid-major teams. He kept giving up layups (3 strait possesions in the first half) and letting them shoot open 3s off of switches. Lawrence instantly fouls twice when we are in the bonus and misses another 3 badly (he should only be playing with the walk-ons). He gets beat off the dribble and is shooting 20-some percent this year.

I know they were shooting a lot of 3s, but not playing JO in the 2nd half still hurt us as they kept getting offensive rebounds and layups when they drove, because we werent playing anyone big.

I saw lots of decisions today that in a close game, cost us a chance to win the game. At least Spradling came through. But I still wouldn't be starting him (he sure hurt us vs Uk).

Also, when you have an All-Big 12 player. He needs to touch the ball more than a few times in the last 8 minutes. He has to set something up or tell the guys to get him the ball. Even the annoucers thought that was obvious.

You've been waiting for quite a while to come on here and blast the coaching.
JO was doing nothing when he was out there.  They were way too quick for him and
driving on him just as much.

If you want to put one on the coaching, here's one.  We should not have allowed them to
spread the floor, on their last play, and then drive with no one in the lane.   Southwell was guarding his man on the same side as the dribbler.  Southwell's man then runs to the other side of the court and we should've known what was coming.  Shane followed him away from the middle leaving the driving lane wide open.  Not only that but what was Martavious doing guarding his man out by the half court line?   Should've picked him up only at the three.

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

You're exactly right.  He fumbled at least 4 through his hands in the early going.  JO is what he is...good game once in a while.

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Also, when you have an All-Big 12 player. He needs to touch the ball more than a few times in the last 8 minutes. He has to set something up or tell the guys to get him the ball. Even the annoucers thought that was obvious.

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This is what I don't understand, the offense should run through rodney

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WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

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Lol, and the degrading of the players begins anew

gdgjr78 wrote:

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--- bigpurpleman wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

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Lol, and the degrading of the players begins anew

that's ridiculous 

when someone creates imaginary scenarios in which a magical player on the bench would have saved the day for the 'Cats if only the coaches hadn't refused to play him, how is it suddenly out of bounds to point out the flaw in that logic

learnin wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

You're exactly right.  He fumbled at least 4 through his hands in the early going.  JO is what he is...good game once in a while.

But still literally head and shoulders over DJ. Results speak for themselves. DJ played, could rebound for effing life of him. Any one could see it. Especially after the THIRD time.

feralchat wrote:

learnin wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

You're exactly right.  He fumbled at least 4 through his hands in the early going.  JO is what he is...good game once in a while.

But still literally head and shoulders over DJ. Results speak for themselves. DJ played, could rebound for effing life of him. Any one could see it. Especially after the THIRD time.

Switching to DJ, in the first half, is the only reason we kept from being down by 10 or more at the end of the first half.

3 things.

1) Lack of any legit post players is killing us. Our guards HAVE TO do it all offensively, and our opponents know it.

2) Lack of FT attempts make this team extremely average. We've gotten by here of late without getting to the foul line, but look for that to be a thing of the past from here on out.

3) Southwell has to be productive. Without him from here on out, we're not going anywhere. He just has to give us consistent offensive production.

learnin wrote:

feralchat wrote:

learnin wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

You're exactly right.  He fumbled at least 4 through his hands in the early going.  JO is what he is...good game once in a while.

But still literally head and shoulders over DJ. Results speak for themselves. DJ played, could rebound for effing life of him. Any one could see it. Especially after the THIRD time.

Switching to DJ, in the first half, is the only reason we kept from being down by 10 or more at the end of the first half.

That's just BS.

I disagree JO has been a good(not great) rebounder the last 2 years, this is the 3rd game in a row that we have been out rebounded. We will have to turn this around if we want to finish in the top 3 in the B-12. DJ looked good but we just do not play 2 big at the same time. With our shooting % we have to get O. rebounds.

feralchat wrote:

learnin wrote:

feralchat wrote:

learnin wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

how's that weber's fault again?

You're exactly right.  He fumbled at least 4 through his hands in the early going.  JO is what he is...good game once in a while.

But still literally head and shoulders over DJ. Results speak for themselves. DJ played, could rebound for effing life of him. Any one could see it. Especially after the THIRD time.

Switching to DJ, in the first half, is the only reason we kept from being down by 10 or more at the end of the first half.

That's just BS.

I don't dislike JO, but I just don't see how you could keep him on the floor.  There was literally no one he was capable of guarding, so you would have had to play some kind of zone, which would have resulted in ISU raining in even more 3's 

We need JO, weber has to figure out how to get production from him. His confidence is really shaken imo

ISU scored 26 points in the first half when JO played 9 minutes and 47 in the second half when BJ played like 18 minutes, so i don't that argument holds.

gdgjr78 wrote:

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--- bigpurpleman wrote:

WildWillieCat wrote: i've seen a few posts like this, and I cannot for the life of me figure out why anybody thinks JO can secure a rebound?  if there is anybody moving within ten feet of him he drops/fumbles the ball and he has consistently done so for four years 

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Lol, and the degrading of the players begins anew

lol, not in the least.  He is a project that occasionally brings good effort.  All of our bigs will struggle at this level.  They are what they are.  No degrading at all.

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ISU scored 26 points in the first half when JO played 9 minutes and 47 in the second half when BJ played like 18 minutes, so i don't that argument holds.

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Yeah, our defense and rebounding were horrendous in the 2nd half.