Okay, so it seems that there are some very well informed people on this board, I'd love to hear what you guys think are the top 10 [or less if you prefer] all time NCAA scandals.

I don't mean media coverage, I mean how epic the cheating was. As I recently learned, it sounds like UCLA did the most epic cheating in college basketball history, though a booster, so they are surely #1, right? I'd think Kentucky in the 50s would be #2. But then I have to admit I don't really know off the top of my head who else has been caught cheating in such an epic fashion. Let's hear it!

A few phone calls to some kids doesn't come close to this list, how often a college coach should call a young basketball player seems a very abstract concept well outside of what happens on the court. I get what the rule is trying to accomplish, but cheating by doing a bit of extra talking is hardly something that's bad in-and-of-itself. 

But I'm also interested in the size of it, how many years it went on, how many people were involved, how bad the punishment was!

Nobody knows anything about any other cheaters? I'm confused, so many people thought it was shameful that some of us didn't know about UCLA, that surely has to mean that you guys know a lot about college basketball, and could list at least 20 times where programs committed major violations. 

Share, there's nothing much else to talk about right now!

Didn't Kentucky get caught cheating quite a few times? Don't you want to bring it up?

OK.........I'll give it a shot, just for your entertainment.

Off the top of my head............1st on my list would be the self-proclaimed "Fab-Five'" at Michigan in the early 90's. Not ONE, but TWO Final Fours vacated. And what a waste of Ed Martin's money. At least UCLA and pUKe were both able to win championships with their "bought and paid for players". The Fab-Five couldn't even win a Big 10 title, let alone a National Championship. Not a very good investment on the hundreds of thousands of dollars that Martin supposedly spent on these guys. On top of that, you can't even find them in UM's record books. It's as if they never even existed.

You then have Memphis, which also has the honor of having not one, but two FF's vacated. They had one in the mid 80's (1985 I believe), and of course the one under Cal in 2008. Nice program.

You have the 1973 NCST team that was not allowed to participate in the NCAA Trny that season because of recruiting violations, only to come back and win it all in 1974 with basically the same team. I'm sure to them that it was worth the wait.

Let's not forget UMass, where the totally "innocent" Coach Calipari had his 1st of two FF"s vacated in 1996. Remember, he knew absolutely nothing about the money that changed hands there. RIGHT!!

Lastly, I think I'll go with the late 90's Minnesota teams under Clem Haskins. They also had to vacate a FF, as well as most of their wins for about a 3 yr period. Program was in complete disarray, and most of the players were having their schoolwork done for them. Very black eye for them, as well as entire BIG 10.

There are several  others...........UNLV, Baylor, Tennessee, etc............but I don't have the time or energy to list them all for you........sorry.....................ENJOY  

I would have to say IU has to be at the top of the list in this one. At least you guys finally reached the top of a poll finally though just not the one you want haha

ukswag12 wrote: I would have to say IU has to be at the top of the list in this one. At least you guys finally reached the top of a poll finally though just not the one you want haha

WOW............this coming from someone with "uk" in their moniker. And is the #12 your age or IQ?

Written by  a member of the most hypocritical fan base on the planet. 

ukswag12 wrote: I would have to say IU has to be at the top of the list in this one. At least you guys finally reached the top of a poll finally though just not the one you want haha

I'm just saying no IU fan can say its so wrong for cheating. You guys did it, got caught, and you suffered.

ukswag12 wrote: I'm just saying no IU fan can say its so wrong for cheating. You guys did it, got caught, and you suffered.

See, that's the difference in mindsets between you UK fans and us IU fans. Most of us do think that cheating is wrong, unlike you guys who mostly could care less. You are forgetting that the NCAA didn't punish us nearly as much as we punished ourselves. UK would never punish itself for doing anything wrong...........NEVER!  And that my friend is the difference in a cheating program such as yours, and one like we have. Can't compare the two..........not even close............so quit trying, even if it makes you feel better.

We weren't "caught", we reported the violations ourselves.  We turned ourselves in, and then sanctioned ourselves.  We also blew up the program to make sure it didn't happen again.  Of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand that.  I mean, your kitty cats have actually been "caught" 6 times and everyone knows UK will never report themselves.  To top it off, you embrace a coach that has had not one, but two Final Fours removed from the record books.  He's the only coach in history that can claim he's been to his first Final Four three different times, and you treat his word like gospel.  UK fans are the only people that believe a word he says, ahem, "Memphis is where I want to be".

I've had good conversations with UK fans, some reasonable UK fans.  You don't seem to be one of them.  You and ZZ both come here to take a quick "Kelvin Sampson" potshot.  Look in the mirror, you're coach has left two programs under sanctions, getting out just before the NCAA came knocking.  Yet, you don't care.  It's all about the end result for you.  You don't care what rules you break as long as the final result is a few Ws.  That's the difference between IU and UK fans.  Our program hired a cheater and the fanbase was split, many opposed the hire from day one.  Your program hires a coach that has multiple Final Fours removed from his record, Kelvin Sampson can't even say that, and your fanbase is in full support of it.  After all, it's about the end result only.

Here's a concept that may sound strange to you:  the ends do not always justify the means.  The means should justify the ends.  There can be a thing called 'integrity', something I happen to value, although that word has probably been removed from every dictionary in Kentucky.

It's no wonder I seldom visit this site any more.  Trolls like you are being allowed to run free with no repercussions.

Enjoy that banner Cal bought, with his history it needs to be hanging with velcro.  On the other hand, we have Tom Crean as coach and we'll sleep at peace knowing the NCAA won't be coming knocking any time soon.

ukswag12 wrote: I'm just saying no IU fan can say its so wrong for cheating. You guys did it, got caught, and you suffered.

We ran the only dirty coach in our history out of town.  You toothless hilljacks ran the only clean coach you ever had out of town.  Just sayin

ukswag12 wrote: I'm just saying no IU fan can say its so wrong for cheating. You guys did it, got caught, and you suffered.

Not an IU fan so not terribly interested in a Hoosier/Wildcat pissing match, but Kentucky basketball really is in a league of it's own for cheating and black eyes. When you have a gambling investigation which leads to revelations of paid players and academic fraud leading to the Death Penalty for the entire athletic program for a year before you even get to opened Emery packages of cash and now the squid-well, decade in, decade out you have to like that consistency.

Kentucky has won more than my Badgers could ever dream of and I wouldn't wish their history on anyone. Sorry. You cheat. It's what you do. Everyone knows it and ESPN announcers glossing over it doesn't change a damn thing. And for all your NCAA titles, the Kentucky game they made a movie of is the one where you were the all white emblem of the racist south. Enjoy your title. Your GM WWWes did a great job. You can have it. Not interested in an NBDL franchise attached to a glorified community college.

newman21 wrote: Not an IU fan so not terribly interested in a Hoosier/Wildcat pissing match, but Kentucky basketball really is in a league of it's own for cheating and black eyes. When you have a gambling investigation which leads to revelations of paid players and academic fraud leading to the Death Penalty for the entire athletic program for a year before you even get to opened Emery packages of cash and now the squid-well, decade in, decade out you have to like that consistency.

Kentucky has won more than my Badgers could ever dream of and I wouldn't wish their history on anyone. Sorry. You cheat. It's what you do. Everyone knows it and ESPN announcers glossing over it doesn't change a damn thing. And for all your NCAA titles, the Kentucky game they made a movie of is the one where you were the all white emblem of the racist south. Enjoy your title. Your GM WWWes did a great job. You can have it. Not interested in an NBDL franchise attached to a glorified community college.

Shots fired? Yep, shots fired.

Wow! A Wisconsin fan on an IU forum who has an honest take on pUKe and a not single cheap shot on Crean.

My perception of the Wisky fanbase just improved for the better. We now at least know there's one rational fan up there.

newman21 wrote: Not an IU fan so not terribly interested in a Hoosier/Wildcat pissing match, but Kentucky basketball really is in a league of it's own for cheating and black eyes. When you have a gambling investigation which leads to revelations of paid players and academic fraud leading to the Death Penalty for the entire athletic program for a year before you even get to opened Emery packages of cash and now the squid-well, decade in, decade out you have to like that consistency.

Kentucky has won more than my Badgers could ever dream of and I wouldn't wish their history on anyone. Sorry. You cheat. It's what you do. Everyone knows it and ESPN announcers glossing over it doesn't change a damn thing. And for all your NCAA titles, the Kentucky game they made a movie of is the one where you were the all white emblem of the racist south. Enjoy your title. Your GM WWWes did a great job. You can have it. Not interested in an NBDL franchise attached to a glorified community college.

From Wiki:

In August 1952, the SEC barred Kentucky from conference play for the 1952-53 season. In October, in its first-ever formal enforcement action, the NCAA found that 10 Kentucky basketball players received impermissible financial aid. It also found that Rupp and his staff knew the players were ineligible and allowed them to play anyway. As punishment, the NCAA barred Kentucky's entire athletic program from postseason play for the 1952-53 academic year, and directed its basketball-playing members to boycott the Wildcats during the 1952-53 season. The latter penalty was invoked through provisions in the NCAA Constitution that required members to compete against only those schools that were compliant with NCAA rules. This effectively canceled the Wildcats' 1952-53 season, and is thus reckoned as the first "death penalty."

Soooo.... What was that you said about how one may look without doing their research?

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newman21 wrote: Not an IU fan so not terribly interested in a Hoosier/Wildcat pissing match, but Kentucky basketball really is in a league of it's own for cheating and black eyes. When you have a gambling investigation which leads to revelations of paid players and academic fraud leading to the Death Penalty for the entire athletic program for a year before you even get to opened Emery packages of cash and now the squid-well, decade in, decade out you have to like that consistency.

Kentucky has won more than my Badgers could ever dream of and I wouldn't wish their history on anyone. Sorry. You cheat. It's what you do. Everyone knows it and ESPN announcers glossing over it doesn't change a damn thing. And for all your NCAA titles, the Kentucky game they made a movie of is the one where you were the all white emblem of the racist south. Enjoy your title. Your GM WWWes did a great job. You can have it. Not interested in an NBDL franchise attached to a glorified community college.

When did we receive the death penalty? Do some research b4 looking retarded

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Ralph Beard....Alex Groza.....Dale Barnstable..... Unfamiliar with them? Look them up. Forever and indelibly linked to the scandal ridden, cheating program that was and is UK.

Incredibly, Beard and Groza's jerseys hang in honor in Rupp Arena. HAHAHAHAHAHA! Only at UK.

McHoop

The one showing pUKe and dUI tied with SIX MAJOR VIOLATION CASES for the benefit of morons like Teamworknutjob and our 12 yr old visitor (and glowing example of the Commonwealth's education system).Either this kid is on his 3rd year of 6th grade or his cypherin is so bad that he doesn't yet realize that 6 > 1...

Five years from now this kid is in for a rude shock,when he gets to the 8th grade takes algebra and discovers inequations.One possible silver lining, maybe his hero Bledsoe will be in the same class...

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ukswag12 wrote: I would have to say IU has to be at the top of the list in this one. At least you guys finally reached the top of a poll finally though just not the one you want haha

WOW............this coming from someone with "uk" in their moniker. And is the #12 your age or IQ?

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