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Emmitt Holt

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Posted: 8/19/2014 2:38 PM

Emmitt Holt 


Word is he is on campus, and his visit has officially started. Can you imagine being taken over to CH to watch VO,CZ,DW, and several other Pros working out. Does anyone doubt he will be a Hoosier by tomorrow night? His list of suitors for 2015 won't wow you, but the staff must see something they like. He was a finalist for Mr. basketball in NY, so the kid must have talent. He will come in way behind the curve, but if he is a worker, he could come around by the start of the season.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:12 AM

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Holt has committed
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Posted: 8/20/2014 11:42 AM

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Size 18 shoe, and a 7'3" wingspan. Welcome to Indiana, Emmitt Holt!
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:02 PM

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I see "potential."   Another kid who I'm not sure will help immediately, and with April and Priller on the roster filling that role already, I guess I'm going to take a "wait and see" approach to Holt.

His other offers were Drexel, Dequesne, Fairfield, Hofstra, Towsend, and Vermont.   I think anyone would have chosen Indiana under those circumstances.  That said, we all know schools like that have talented players all the time, so I'm not discounting him; but it does seem to me like Crean tries too hard to out think the room and find that diamond in the rough everyone else missed.    No need to try to be smarter than everyone else...   Holt was unranked.   Players like Verdell Jones and Hanner Perea were.  

Glad we got a 6'7" athlete.   Will have to wait and see how he does in the Big Ten.  I know he had a great summer...maybe he's just now rounding into his form?  Good luck to the kid...and welcome.
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Posted: 8/20/2014 12:03 PM

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Posted: 8/21/2014 6:25 PM

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Bob Knight won consistently and sometimes big at Texas Tech with this type of player.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:05 PM

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Bob Knight.  He won with this kind of player.   Crean is no Bob Knight.
kenbob033 wrote: Bob Knight won consistently and sometimes big at Texas Tech with this type of player.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:21 PM

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It seems EH is being judged by his mid major offers and 3* rating. I really like his measurements. Not a lot different than NV. If this kid put up big numbers in HS, but disappeared in AAU, I too would be skeptical. His numbers were MVP stuff in summer ball.CTC is always looking for the Blue Light Special. He misses a lot, but he has also found a few. How many players are still playing after they leave? More than any coach at IU in my memory. Emmitt could turn out to be a really solid player for us. That's not to say he will log major minutes this year, but he will see the floor before the season is over.

RMK had a system, and a style that he played. It didn't take a truck load of Burger Boys to win when they executed, but he always had stars on his teams. The game has changed, but most any system can win when executed and coached well.
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Last edited 8/21/2014 10:24 PM by Dyedinthewool

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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:02 PM

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The kid seems well spoken and remarkably poised in this interview, considering the whirlwind recruitment and last-minute change of his plans.  That or he has been extremely well "coached" in how to conduct himself with the media.  Sure looks and sounds like a promising Hoosier in the making:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtRWiNxxZk
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Posted: 9/1/2014 6:11 PM

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Thanks for the link. I think he gets it. How many times did he mention his TEAM MATES?
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The kid seems well spoken and remarkably poised in this interview, considering the whirlwind recruitment and last-minute change of his plans.  That or he has been extremely well "coached" in how to conduct himself with the media.  Sure looks and sounds like a promising Hoosier in the making:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLtRWiNxxZk

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Posted: 9/1/2014 10:21 PM

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I like this signing a lot. This guy seems like the prototypical Crean recruit that nobody wanted who turns into a star after working his ass off and going through Crean's program.

The team seems to have welcomed him right into the fold.

I'm guessing he can play some defense, and that is something I really want to see.
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Posted: 9/2/2014 9:48 AM

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This seems to be the issue....  Crean's seemingly always looking for that "diamond in the rough," and it's impossible to hit on very many of those.    This is still Indiana and this is still the Big Ten.   You simply cannot win with kids nobody else wants playing major roles on every team.  

I think it's very dangerous to expect Oladipo's results, maybe ever again.   That guy has a drive and work ethic (and athletic ability) we haven't seen around here much.   Or anywhere, for that matter.    I think Holt may end up being just fine; but Crean has to do a much better job of getting the Midwest kids who people DO know to come to Indiana. 

Personally, I have seen our recruiting take a turn in focus to the east coast and like it did under Davis when it turned to the southeast; the aura of the program has changed.   Indiana is a very regional program.   Yes, we have a national footprint; but the Big Ten conference is very different than, say the ACC or SEC.    I still think the "recruit our backyard (Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio)" formula works, and if Crean were able to dominate that region, Indiana would never have to look for "diamonds."
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:41 AM

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I saw Oladipo-like improvement in Yogi last year, freshman:sophomore very similar to the level of improvement Oladipo made freshman:sophomore. So Yogi is halfway there already. I am very interested in seeing how Yogi has improved over the offseason. I expect him to be substantially better than he was last year given the amount of work he puts into improving his game, and given his intelligence and athleticism.

Not sure why it is so difficult to see the pattern of guard development in Crean's career.

I too would like to see us dominate Indiana recruiting. We have gotten close to returning to that, but one great Indiana recruit signing per year now is not enough imo.

I love the guys like Holt, Troy Williams, StanRob, and Morgan Crean is bringing in.
"It's only football...." - Lovie's farewell speech

Last edited 9/20/2014 12:44 AM by chicagoHOOSIER

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Posted: 9/20/2014 10:06 AM

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In response to gocolts, Indiana's top players this year will not be "kids nobody else wants." Two McDonalds All Americans will be starting in backcourt. Other guards include Stanford Robinson and Robert Johnson (one of whom may start in a 3-guard office), both rated in the Top 50 of their classes coming out of high school.  Troy Williams and Hanner Mosquera-Perea were both rated in the Top 50 or so of their classes. Devin Davis was a Top 150 player out of high school and is clearly tough enough and talented enough to play against big time competition. All seven of Indiana's top players were highly recruited out of high school.

The rest of the roster includes players who were not highly recruited. So what? Bobby Knight had players on his championship teams who were not highly recruited--players like Don Noort and Scott Eelles and Chuck Franz, among many. Knight would often give these under-recruited players game opportunities during the season because they worked hard in practice pushing the starters--sometimes working harder than the starters.  Crean has found a couple of "diamonds in the rough" (e.g., Oladipo & Sheehey) with some of the players not highly recruited in high school. Emmitt Holt seems to have some qualities that may put him in that category with Oladipo and Sheehey.  Let's see how it turns out. If Holt and the other not highly recruited players Crean has brought are only marginally productive, the top 7-8 players on this team have the pedigree and ability to win nonetheless.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 11:47 AM

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Posts that compare Knight to Crean are a joke.

Knight proved that he could build a team and win big.  Crean hasn't come close.

It's a stupid comparison and takes away from the main point of the post.  If we are counting on Crean coaching like Knight, we are screwed.
bluesy1 wrote: In response to gocolts, Indiana's top players this year will not be "kids nobody else wants." Two McDonalds All Americans will be starting in backcourt. Other guards include Stanford Robinson and Robert Johnson (one of whom may start in a 3-guard office), both rated in the Top 50 of their classes coming out of high school.  Troy Williams and Hanner Mosquera-Perea were both rated in the Top 50 or so of their classes. Devin Davis was a Top 150 player out of high school and is clearly tough enough and talented enough to play against big time competition. All seven of Indiana's top players were highly recruited out of high school.

The rest of the roster includes players who were not highly recruited. So what? Bobby Knight had players on his championship teams who were not highly recruited--players like Don Noort and Scott Eelles and Chuck Franz, among many. Knight would often give these under-recruited players game opportunities during the season because they worked hard in practice pushing the starters--sometimes working harder than the starters.  Crean has found a couple of "diamonds in the rough" (e.g., Oladipo & Sheehey) with some of the players not highly recruited in high school. Emmitt Holt seems to have some qualities that may put him in that category with Oladipo and Sheehey.  Let's see how it turns out. If Holt and the other not highly recruited players Crean has brought are only marginally productive, the top 7-8 players on this team have the pedigree and ability to win nonetheless.
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Posted: 9/20/2014 12:03 PM

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The unwritten rule seemed to be never to compare probably the best basketball coach who ever lived to any of his successors.  If we are now going to compare, Crean will be blistered and left in the dust of history.  To do that to him is unfair, and definitely not kind.  He deserves to exhibit his skills without comparison. 

Judge him soley on his results.  And his alone.  Bobby Knight stands alone, as the best. 

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Posted: 9/20/2014 3:00 PM

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Uh...Priller, April, Hartman, Holt, Ziesloft, Hoetzel.   Stop me when I get to a player who was highly recruited by elite programs.

People who take the most literal meaning of things that are said and maximizes  it to mean "entirety" are the most comical people on chat boards.  You really don't HAVE an argument, so you create one.    Let me know when I said "the entirety of our roster."    Crean has filled this season's roster with kids on no radar of top programs, but he needs the big players to have roles on this team.  You can have a few bottom dwellers like Franz when you have other great players and a great coach.  Indiana has a couple of decent players and a very mediocre coach.  I'm a Reds fan.  All that team does is sign retreads and hope they have career years.    Indiana is much the same.   And yeah...comparing Crean to Knight is a complete joke.    Especially when April, Priller, etc...  are going to have to play several minutes every night.   Also let me know when Franz or Eels did on even decent IU teams.     Let's utilize perspective...just a little bit.

Stanford Robinson just changed from lefty to righty.  Yep...LOTS of precedent there for a kid to have great success in year one.  

Oladipo is a completely awful example...especially if you're going to ignore the misses.   He is a freak athlete with a work ethic beyond anyone IU's had since Alford.    Sheehey was decent with NBA talent around him....pretty pedestrian last season when they were gone.  Not sure I think Sheehey's a good example because the team he led missed the post season and finished 8th in the Big Ten.

I know...I have a thing against Crean...    And yes, it's his resume and the eyeball test.    I think he's a snake oil salesman and I've said so.   I think Indiana needs and deserves better.   We don't have a choice but to see how it plays out....   But don't we sort of already know? 
bluesy1 wrote: In response to gocolts, Indiana's top players this year will not be "kids nobody else wants." Two McDonalds All Americans will be starting in backcourt. Other guards include Stanford Robinson and Robert Johnson (one of whom may start in a 3-guard office), both rated in the Top 50 of their classes coming out of high school.  Troy Williams and Hanner Mosquera-Perea were both rated in the Top 50 or so of their classes. Devin Davis was a Top 150 player out of high school and is clearly tough enough and talented enough to play against big time competition. All seven of Indiana's top players were highly recruited out of high school.

The rest of the roster includes players who were not highly recruited. So what? Bobby Knight had players on his championship teams who were not highly recruited--players like Don Noort and Scott Eelles and Chuck Franz, among many. Knight would often give these under-recruited players game opportunities during the season because they worked hard in practice pushing the starters--sometimes working harder than the starters.  Crean has found a couple of "diamonds in the rough" (e.g., Oladipo & Sheehey) with some of the players not highly recruited in high school. Emmitt Holt seems to have some qualities that may put him in that category with Oladipo and Sheehey.  Let's see how it turns out. If Holt and the other not highly recruited players Crean has brought are only marginally productive, the top 7-8 players on this team have the pedigree and ability to win nonetheless.
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson
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Posted: 9/20/2014 9:59 PM

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It's always interesting to interact with someone who knows so much but understands so little.
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