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Is Tom Crean on the Hot Seat or not? (link)

Posted: 6/30/2014 7:05 AM

Is Tom Crean on the Hot Seat or not? (link) 


Good read.

http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2014/6/30/5826622/tom- crean-indiana-hoosiers-basketball-hot-seat-fire
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Posted: 6/30/2014 9:56 AM

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Thanks, appreciate it.  Think he's got the % wrong, though.  The feeling here is we tipped in one direction sometime in May.  And the ice is no longer thin, it has cracked.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 4:28 PM

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To me his seat is warm. but I still don't see anything happening for two more years.  If he misses the tournament, I think he will have one more year of coaching at IU.  The only thing that saves him then is a final four run.

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Posted: 7/4/2014 9:49 AM

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He will not get a third year if we miss the NCAAs this season. Fred Glass knows what it means if we miss them again an he keeps him. It would mean the entire world knows Crean is on a flaming hot seat, recruiting will absolutely suffer, and it would set te program back even more. Te reality is if Crean misses the dance this year, he will be fired. The buyout money is there and it's there for that specific purpose.

This is the make of break year for Crean. If he can make the NCAAs he will be here a few more years. He is catching a break in the big ten is down in terms of quality big men. So even though we lack talented depth upfront we should still find ways to win our share of conference games and make the NCAAs.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 7:38 PM

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Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/4/2014 11:12 PM

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5fouls wrote:

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what. 

Thanks for the info.  I do not agree, but it is what it is.  Nice to know now anyway, definitely makes things easier decision wise for IU fans like me.
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Posted: 7/5/2014 9:32 AM

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Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.

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I think your wrong on glass not firing him no matter what. Say we go 17-13 and after the season we just went through, you still believe Glass won't pull the trigger? The boosters already have the funds available if next season is a failure. If it truly is a failure Glass would put his job in jeopardy if he doesn't make a change with Crean. Glass loves Crran but he isn't stupid either.

Crean makes it all go away if he makes the NCAAs next year. Of that I'm actually optimistic on. My belief is Crean will still be our coach, not bc Glass wouldn't pull the trigger but bc we win 20+ games an make the NCAAs.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 1:56 AM

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This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson

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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:54 AM

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Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 8:56 AM

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The fan base is eroding. Everyone would like to see CTC turn it around after the disappointing season we just had. With the roster we have, there will be teams that expose our lack of size. The youth card is growing old. With a decent campaign this year, and a return to the 2A's, he might salvage another year, but it would bode well for CTC to have a strong 15 class coming in. Right now we have 20 or so offers out there but no takers. Perhaps it's because these recruits aren't sold on CTC being around in the near future. Either way, a top 5 finish in the BIG, and a decent run in the tournament is the only way he survives as our coach.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 5:17 PM

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If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.

"I will tell you this without reservation: In my experiences, everywhere I've been, I have never come across fans that were as good to the team, as good to the coaches, as involved in trying to root as hard as they could to help a team to win as we have in Indiana," Knight said

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Posted: 7/7/2014 6:10 PM

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What 'money'.  That's way too generic of a statement and that can go both ways.  For the sake of argument, let's say there are 10 important 'money' sources out there.  Of those ten. seven want Crean to stay and three want him to go.  What's Glass to do?  Does Glass risk upsetting the 7 to appease the 3?   The 'money' argument is silly in that it assumes every booster wants Crean replaced and that is just not true.
TransAmMan wrote: If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/7/2014 7:04 PM

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I think he will.   Would love to hear why you think he won't....Mike Davis got fired for poor performance...and his IU resume was better than Crean's is.   Why would Crean be any different?  IU misses the post season again, or under-achieves like last season, give me one reason Crean would deserve to stay.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson
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Posted: 7/8/2014 10:43 AM

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I'm just glad the Colts look like they will have a team I can get some enjoyment out
of this season......

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Posted: 7/10/2014 10:28 PM

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If IU misses the NCAA tournament for the 5th time in 7 years under Crean, I think there is definitely a chance that a change occurs.  Don't know that I'd wager any money on it but there will be some heat on that seat.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:48 AM

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There was enough money for Glass to fire Crean this year.  Glass decided to give Crean one more year, if IU has another average to bad season he is gone.
5fouls wrote: What 'money'.  That's way too generic of a statement and that can go both ways.  For the sake of argument, let's say there are 10 important 'money' sources out there.  Of those ten. seven want Crean to stay and three want him to go.  What's Glass to do?  Does Glass risk upsetting the 7 to appease the 3?   The 'money' argument is silly in that it assumes every booster wants Crean replaced and that is just not true.
TransAmMan wrote: If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:30 PM

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Only if Glass has a big gun ready to take his place.   CTC might not be the right man but we could do a lot worse. 

Having said that I see us as a decent team this year(making the dance but probably done the first weekend).   I'm not happy with that.  But if we land a quality big the following year to add to the veteran squad we'll have a contender.

Go Hoosiers!!!
BillMonroe wrote: There was enough money for Glass to fire Crean this year.  Glass decided to give Crean one more year, if IU has another average to bad season he is gone.
5fouls wrote: What 'money'.  That's way too generic of a statement and that can go both ways.  For the sake of argument, let's say there are 10 important 'money' sources out there.  Of those ten. seven want Crean to stay and three want him to go.  What's Glass to do?  Does Glass risk upsetting the 7 to appease the 3?   The 'money' argument is silly in that it assumes every booster wants Crean replaced and that is just not true.
TransAmMan wrote: If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:51 PM

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You're missing my point.  I'm sure there is someone with enough 'money' out there to make it happen.  But, there could just as well be MORE money that wants Crean to stay.

Yes.  I'm just an anonymous message board poster.  But, for all you know, my last name is Cook, Cuban, Simon, Skjodt, or Mellencamp.  While you're whispering in Glass' left ear telling him to fire Crean, I'm whispering in his right ear telling him he better not. 

It's easy to say 'the money is there'.  It's a lot tougher to know whether that money has any true value or not.  I don't think it does at this point. 
BillMonroe wrote: There was enough money for Glass to fire Crean this year.  Glass decided to give Crean one more year, if IU has another average to bad season he is gone.
5fouls wrote: What 'money'.  That's way too generic of a statement and that can go both ways.  For the sake of argument, let's say there are 10 important 'money' sources out there.  Of those ten. seven want Crean to stay and three want him to go.  What's Glass to do?  Does Glass risk upsetting the 7 to appease the 3?   The 'money' argument is silly in that it assumes every booster wants Crean replaced and that is just not true.
TransAmMan wrote: If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/13/2014 11:27 AM

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You can believe what you want and neither of us can prove anything, but I will say this.  Another bad season next year and he is gone.  

I am quite confident about this, but we will have to wait and see what happens.

I expect IU to really struggle this year, so I will be proven right or wrong at the end of the season.  I see IU finishing 8th or worse, possibly as low as 12th.
5fouls wrote: You're missing my point.  I'm sure there is someone with enough 'money' out there to make it happen.  But, there could just as well be MORE money that wants Crean to stay.

Yes.  I'm just an anonymous message board poster.  But, for all you know, my last name is Cook, Cuban, Simon, Skjodt, or Mellencamp.  While you're whispering in Glass' left ear telling him to fire Crean, I'm whispering in his right ear telling him he better not. 

It's easy to say 'the money is there'.  It's a lot tougher to know whether that money has any true value or not.  I don't think it does at this point. 
BillMonroe wrote: There was enough money for Glass to fire Crean this year.  Glass decided to give Crean one more year, if IU has another average to bad season he is gone.
5fouls wrote: What 'money'.  That's way too generic of a statement and that can go both ways.  For the sake of argument, let's say there are 10 important 'money' sources out there.  Of those ten. seven want Crean to stay and three want him to go.  What's Glass to do?  Does Glass risk upsetting the 7 to appease the 3?   The 'money' argument is silly in that it assumes every booster wants Crean replaced and that is just not true.
TransAmMan wrote: If the money wants him gone he'll be gone, because Glass won't have a choice but to make the move.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.
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Posted: 7/16/2014 10:45 PM

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gocolts88 wrote: I think he will.   Would love to hear why you think he won't....Mike Davis got fired for poor performance...and his IU resume was better than Crean's is.   Why would Crean be any different?  IU misses the post season again, or under-achieves like last season, give me one reason Crean would deserve to stay.
5fouls wrote: Okay.  I'll rephrase. 

Yes, it's likely Crean would get fired for one of the following:

 - Major NCAA violations
 - Getting arrested for possession of a crack pipe
 - Choking a player
 - Running onto the floor naked during pre-game warmups
 - Kicking Fred Glass' dog

He won't, however, get fired if the team only wins 17 games.

gocolts88 wrote: This is not a factual statement.  It's your opinion.   I happen to strongly disagree with it because I know there are many unhappy people within the IU administration and thousands of very unhappy fans.   You do not get to miss the post-season and take a huge step backward as a program in your 6th season at Indiana University and then get a free pass the following year as well.   No way, no how, no chance.  I'm not saying Crean will get fired if we have a bad season, but to sell "he won't, no matter what" is disingenuous at best.   Fred Glass is no dummy, and you give him little credit. 5 years ago?  He had the luxury and obvious reason to be patient.    Now?  After so many transfers, lost coaches, bad losses, and a resume of a coach that has exactly one trip past the sweet 16 in 17 coaching seasons?  He knows (more than any of us) what expectations are at IU, and Crean - with another bad season - will simply have not met them; and I would also say if we have another bad season, there will be no sign he WILL meet them.  Heck, I think anyone still supporting his on-floor performance is relying solely on hope.   There is no evidence whatsoever that Tom Crean can coach his way to the top.  You think Glass doesn't see that?
5fouls wrote: Well, I couldn't get the link to work.  But, I think some in the fan base have Crean on a hotter seat than Fred Glass does. 

Glass will not fire Crean after next season, no matter what.  I could see Crean moving on his own if he gets tired of the crap, but he won't be fired.

Colts,
 
Mike Davis buyout = $800,000
Tom Crean buyout = $12,000,000

That's not the only difference between Mike Davis and Tom Crean, but that's the biggest difference right there!
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