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Stephen Zimmerman

Posted: 6/2/2014 6:33 PM

Stephen Zimmerman 


5-Star big man had this to say about Indiana.   Anyone else cringe when they read "re-building" in a coach's 7th season????

"Indiana, it's obviously another school with a great history of big men.
They're in kind of rebuilding years. I don't really want to say that because
they did play hard, but I like coach (Tom) Crean and it seems like a great
school."
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson
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Posted: 6/2/2014 11:50 PM

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I think it is going to be a 10 year process.  banghead

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Posted: 6/3/2014 7:57 AM

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Perception > reality


"Half the stuff on the Internet is made up." - Abraham Lincoln
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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:42 AM

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The loss of a good portion of the fan base is really what exemplifies the cringe factor, imo.  The whatever mode if not here at present, is coming, and soon. What a waste.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:05 AM

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Agree.  I said this past season the opposite of love is not hate.   It's apathy; and Tom Crean is perpetuating apathy.   So sad.
marslanding wrote: The loss of a good portion of the fan base is really what exemplifies the cringe factor, imo.  The whatever mode if not here at present, is coming, and soon. What a waste.
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson
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Posted: 6/3/2014 2:11 PM

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Not cringing at all.  Most programs that loses 4 players the caliber of Oladipo, Zeller, Watford, and Hulls will take a step back the following year. 

He also says we have a 'great history of big men'.  Let's focus some of the conversation on that aspect of his quote as well.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 2:46 PM

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I disagree with the thought that apathy is taking over.  The crowds at Assembly Hall say otherwise.  For every old fan that becomes terminally disenchanted with Tom Crean, there is a new fan that is falling in love with IU because of players Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller.  My 10 year old son still watches the WatShot at least twice a month.  That shot, which occurred when he was 7, more than anything else, made him an IU fan.  

To the contrary of your point, after years of apathy about IU basketball under Mike Davis, and disgust with Kelvin Sampson, there is a new generation of IU fans that is forming under Tom Crean.  Just because they view the world a little differently than our generation does not make them any less of a fan.  Sure, some fans, many of them from the Knight era, don't like what Crean is doing.  But 10 years from now there will still be 17,000 rabid maniacs filling Assembly Hall when IU plays the likes of Purdue, Kentucky, Duke, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio State. 
      
gocolts88 wrote: Agree.  I said this past season the opposite of love is not hate.   It's apathy; and Tom Crean is perpetuating apathy.   So sad.
marslanding wrote: The loss of a good portion of the fan base is really what exemplifies the cringe factor, imo.  The whatever mode if not here at present, is coming, and soon. What a waste.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 8:50 PM

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I'll start by saying I don't want apathy....I think it's poison.  But crowds in the building aren't a true measure; nor are a few young fans.  My kids love IU, too.   The Cubs sell out all summer.   Doesn't make their fans great Cubs fans.  Most of them couldn't name the batting order if you paid them.  I'm not being critical of the folks who are IU fans..hell, I wish there were hundreds of thousands of them.  But there aren't.  There's more excitement around baseball, football, and it can be argued women's basketball than there is men's hoops right now.

Look at the state of recruiting.  We can't find a decent big man.  We had no shooters on an IU basketball team.  When's the last time that happened?  Crean still sells Dwayne Wade as a reason to play for him.  Look at TV ratings for IU games.    Look at the number of times IU is on national TV.  They were on one fewer time last season than they were in 2008-2009..the year after we were #1 all season.   And most of all, look at the Big Ten.   People talk about 6 different programs before they talk about Indiana right now.   Heck, Indiana wasn't selected for the NIT!!   If there weren't apathy around the program, do you honestly believe that tournament doesn't select one of the blue bloods??  We'll always have followers.  But look at the overall state of the program.  It's not good.   You can make isolated cases for support and I'll not disagree one bit.  But step outside your own home and take a good look.   Heck, just look at the assistant they just hired.  He has ties to New York.  Whoop dee doo.   So what?   His record as a head coach was something like 44-117.   Not exactly a knock your socks off hire.   Crean needs to dominate Indiana.  Period.   Very few Indiana fans are interested in rooting for laundry that wins every 6 years.  That's not the culture here.   Michigan was younger than we were this year.   Plus they had an injury.  Syracuse lost 3 starters.   Louisville lost 3 starters.   They're not making excuses.  They weren't re-building.   It is what it is, and it is what you want to make it.   However I think an honest look gives a pretty dim picture.   There are reasons for hope; but this season is huge for Crean, and we don't have any size.    Not a good recipe.
5fouls wrote: I disagree with the thought that apathy is taking over.  The crowds at Assembly Hall say otherwise.  For every old fan that becomes terminally disenchanted with Tom Crean, there is a new fan that is falling in love with IU because of players Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller.  My 10 year old son still watches the WatShot at least twice a month.  That shot, which occurred when he was 7, more than anything else, made him an IU fan.  

To the contrary of your point, after years of apathy about IU basketball under Mike Davis, and disgust with Kelvin Sampson, there is a new generation of IU fans that is forming under Tom Crean.  Just because they view the world a little differently than our generation does not make them any less of a fan.  Sure, some fans, many of them from the Knight era, don't like what Crean is doing.  But 10 years from now there will still be 17,000 rabid maniacs filling Assembly Hall when IU plays the likes of Purdue, Kentucky, Duke, Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio State. 
      
gocolts88 wrote: Agree.  I said this past season the opposite of love is not hate.   It's apathy; and Tom Crean is perpetuating apathy.   So sad.
marslanding wrote: The loss of a good portion of the fan base is really what exemplifies the cringe factor, imo.  The whatever mode if not here at present, is coming, and soon. What a waste.
"Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand."  -  Homer J. Simpson
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Posted: 6/3/2014 10:03 PM

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I am hesitant to engage as I do not want to add negativity to the coming year.  That is something I find repugnant when I read it here at times.  I truly wish I agreed with 5fouls.  I have watched this guy coach basketball every game at IU, in person and on the tube.  Imo he is not a good game coach.  That is all I will state about him, other than he is a likeable guy, hard not to like him.  Imo Sampson was a better game coach.  Every team we play is very likely to have a better game coach on their bench, imo.  To me, that is unacceptable.  To my friends, it is equally so.
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Posted: 6/14/2014 8:30 PM

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jmsgws wrote: I think it is going to be a 10 year process.  banghead
A ten year rebuilding process or to get a serviceable coach on the bench?

Brad Stevens 2016

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Posted: 6/15/2014 12:48 AM

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marslanding wrote: I am hesitant to engage as I do not want to add negativity to the coming year.  That is something I find repugnant when I read it here at times.  I truly wish I agreed with 5fouls.  I have watched this guy coach basketball every game at IU, in person and on the tube.  Imo he is not a good game coach.  That is all I will state about him, other than he is a likeable guy, hard not to like him.  Imo Sampson was a better game coach.  Every team we play is very likely to have a better game coach on their bench, imo.  To me, that is unacceptable.  To my friends, it is equally so.
The roster construction is becoming a bigger issue than his game coaching.  I mean those are both issues but you take one thing and suddenly add one or two things to it...

Last edited 6/15/2014 6:52 PM by bronkonagurski

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Posted: 6/15/2014 12:03 PM

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Apathy is happening. You can say what you want about IU selling out but when you are at the games there are hundreds to low thousands of empty seats. Especially towards the end of the season. I distinctly remember having this conversation last season with my wife. We looked across the stadium to many many empty seats. That my friends is apathy.

Add in we don't look to have a contending team this year. If we don't get a quality post player for Yogis senior season we wasted his 4 years here. Meaning we are starting over from a floor general point of view. Meaning we are not going to a final four for at least another 3-4 seasons.

Thoughts like that find me becoming apathetic and I won't be getting excited about IU basketball again until we land a high level post player for 2015 or when Crean is fired. I said last year he has 3 years, then we missed the dance. Timeline has moved up. I will give him one more year, if we suck again I will watch from afar and spend my time during the winter on other things. Bc if we aren't in it to win it then why should I care.
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Posted: 6/15/2014 7:23 PM

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" If we don't get a quality post player for Yogis senior season we wasted his 4
years here."

Sorry, but I believe this statement is just plain rubbish.  If you find yourself becoming apathetic, stay home and watch Purdue or somebody really exciting like that.
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Posted: 6/16/2014 1:15 PM

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" If we don't get a quality post player for Yogis senior season we wasted his 4
years here."

Sorry, but I believe this statement is just plain rubbish.  If you find yourself becoming apathetic, stay home and watch Purdue or somebody really exciting like that.

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Explain how it's rubbish? If we can't be a legit final four treat in the years he is our leader bc of roster construction, then we wasted his talents and didn't reach our potential. Tell me how it's rubbish? Why would I watch Purdue if I'm apathetic to IU? Stop being but thrust and realize Crean must turn it around this season or needs fired to get the fanbase back. Empty seats, lack of sustained success, get the hell out. I'll watch this year but he has turned us into Marquette south (minus a final four appearance).
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Posted: 6/16/2014 4:21 PM

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Crean is still recruiting Marquette talent and running a mid major Marquette program. He's the Roy Rogers of coaches. He never met a recruit he didn't like.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 2:45 PM

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Not sure what you are talking about regarding attendance. As a season ticket holder I went to most games and the place was always packed. Even the cupcake games had good attendance. I think the students don't always get there at the beginning but by the mid way point of the 1st half the place was always packed.

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Apathy is happening. You can say what you want about IU selling out but when you are at the games there are hundreds to low thousands of empty seats. Especially towards the end of the season. I distinctly remember having this conversation last season with my wife. We looked across the stadium to many many empty seats. That my friends is apathy.

Add in we don't look to have a contending team this year. If we don't get a quality post player for Yogis senior season we wasted his 4 years here. Meaning we are starting over from a floor general point of view. Meaning we are not going to a final four for at least another 3-4 seasons.

Thoughts like that find me becoming apathetic and I won't be getting excited about IU basketball again until we land a high level post player for 2015 or when Crean is fired. I said last year he has 3 years, then we missed the dance. Timeline has moved up. I will give him one more year, if we suck again I will watch from afar and spend my time during the winter on other things. Bc if we aren't in it to win it then why should I care.

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