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I feel for you Hoosier fans

Posted: 2/7/2013 11:40 PM

I feel for you Hoosier fans 


I'm a die hard Marquette fan and have tremendous respect for your program but admit to not being a Crean supporter because of personal experience.  He's done a great overall job in Bloomington, can recruit for sure, and you fans deserve the very best in my humble opinion.  I certainly believe you are perhaps the most talented team in the country, but what you saw tonight is what we saw for 9 years.  He's just not a good game coach and on a neutral court against the best teams you will succeed with your best players taking over the game and stepping up, it will have little or nothing to do with TC's game adjustments and offensive sets or defensive strategy.  If you miss 3's come tourney time it will be very difficult against the best teams and for the life of me I do not understand why Zeller doesn't touch the ball nearly every time down the floor.  Good luck, I wish you well.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:34 PM

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Well, thanks, I guess.  At Indiana, we start with perfect coaches and then grade them on improvement.  I would suggest you read this article, which was linked earlier by poster jsmiff3556.  Read it soon, since the Indy Star archives these articles and will likely want a paid subscription after a day or so:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130208/SPORTS15/ 302080323/Bob-Kravitz-Calling-Tom-Crean-poor-game- coach-reflex-angry-under-educated-fans

We also have respect for Marquette and your basketball tradition.  Al McGuire was a favorite and a great coach, but he left on less than good terms with the school.  I remember a comment he once made on a live game telecast--"I taught them how to swim, and they drowned me."  Coach Crean maybe was smart enough to get out of that pool.

Good luck with the rest of your season.   
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Posted: 2/10/2013 5:30 PM

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Hello IU Fans,

Marquette fan and Coach Crean fan here.  Coach Crean has "righted the ship" for two proud basketball programs...no one can deny this fact.

Sorry for trolling on your website...

-Cowtown Warrior
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Posted: 2/10/2013 6:10 PM

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Marquette grad and IU grad here.  Worked for Tom Crean at Marquette, happy to see him at IU to turn around the program, just as I was thrilled at him turning Marquette back into a real program again after 20+ years of wandering in the abyss.

Forgive Muggsy, this is how many MU fans act.  When IU is beating #1 Michigan, they are silent.  When they are beating #10 Ohio State, they are silent.  It's the players, afterall.  When IU loses, it's all Tom Crean's fault.  It's a funny thing to watch from my fellow Warrior fans at Marquette, but they have jilted lover syndrome...at least many of them do.  It's unfortunate.  Marquette has had exactly one coach since Al McGuire stay longer than 5 years...that was Crean who stayed 9 years.  Brought us a Final Four, did extremely well in the Big East (never worse than 5th), brought us Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Wes Matthews, Travis Diener, Lazar Hayward, Dominic James, etc, etc.  Won a conference championship, only our second in our program's history.  Got us to the Final Four, including a whooping on #1 Kentucky to get there.

But MU fans are a funny bunch...they don't care that we beat #1 Kentucky to get to the Final Four, they blame losing to Kansas the next week all on Crean (forget that we shot 29%...that's the coach's fault.  Just as when IU loses now, it's Crean's fault.  When IU wins, it has nothing to do with Crean.  Follow the formula? 

Oh, and Crean brought this guy named Buzz Williams into the program.  Without Crean, there is no Buzz at Marquette either. So just expect this nonsense, because this is the blinders syndrome that these guys have.  Wait until IU loses in the tournament, it will be because of Crean.  Every win they get in the tournament, he'll have nothing to do with it...this is the mantra of the MU faithful, many of whom predicted he wouldn't even be the coach here in year five at IU. 

Go Warriors.  Go Hoosiers.  Glad MU has Buzz, even happier MU had Crean or we would never have achieved what we did in the 2000's...something a number of MU fans can't quite process mentally anymore because of their hatred.

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Posted: 2/11/2013 8:27 AM

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I hope I'm wrong but I see what this original post is saying.   Crean has done a fantastic job bringing back IU from the hole we were in with our last two coaches and I give him all the credit for that.   But that said, even before the Illinois game I started to very quietly wonder how he would do under a pressure situation such as Illinois.
In all my years as an IU Fan (about 35, I'm 43) I can't remember seeing such a poor execution after a timeout than I did against Illinois.
With all that in mind, I'm still willing to pass complete judgement on Crean yet.   He did just coach the team to a very nice win on Sunday and he's got all the talent this year to win it all.  This team has no excuse not to be playing in the championship game come tourney time.   I'll reserve judgement until that time.
GO HOOSIERS!!!!
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Posted: 2/11/2013 7:01 PM

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StripedTomato wrote: Marquette grad and IU grad here.  Worked for Tom Crean at Marquette, happy to see him at IU to turn around the program, just as I was thrilled at him turning Marquette back into a real program again after 20+ years of wandering in the abyss.

Forgive Muggsy, this is how many MU fans act.  When IU is beating #1 Michigan, they are silent.  When they are beating #10 Ohio State, they are silent.  It's the players, afterall.  When IU loses, it's all Tom Crean's fault.  It's a funny thing to watch from my fellow Warrior fans at Marquette, but they have jilted lover syndrome...at least many of them do.  It's unfortunate.  Marquette has had exactly one coach since Al McGuire stay longer than 5 years...that was Crean who stayed 9 years.  Brought us a Final Four, did extremely well in the Big East (never worse than 5th), brought us Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Wes Matthews, Travis Diener, Lazar Hayward, Dominic James, etc, etc.  Won a conference championship, only our second in our program's history.  Got us to the Final Four, including a whooping on #1 Kentucky to get there.

But MU fans are a funny bunch...they don't care that we beat #1 Kentucky to get to the Final Four, they blame losing to Kansas the next week all on Crean (forget that we shot 29%...that's the coach's fault.  Just as when IU loses now, it's Crean's fault.  When IU wins, it has nothing to do with Crean.  Follow the formula? 

Oh, and Crean brought this guy named Buzz Williams into the program.  Without Crean, there is no Buzz at Marquette either. So just expect this nonsense, because this is the blinders syndrome that these guys have.  Wait until IU loses in the tournament, it will be because of Crean.  Every win they get in the tournament, he'll have nothing to do with it...this is the mantra of the MU faithful, many of whom predicted he wouldn't even be the coach here in year five at IU. 

Go Warriors.  Go Hoosiers.  Glad MU has Buzz, even happier MU had Crean or we would never have achieved what we did in the 2000's...something a number of MU fans can't quite process mentally anymore because of their hatred.
Classy post, Striped.  Good luck to the Warriors (or Golden Eagles) against Georgetown tonight.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:00 PM

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Really hate this point of view.  Frankly, I question the basketball knowledge of people who think Crean lacks whatever people think he lacks.  I don't think someone who is merely a fan has the cred to be a reliable judge of who is good or bad.  I really don't.  Opinions are fine.  Most of them are usually wrong simply because of personal preference.  Doesn't mean the coach is wrong or a bad coach.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 11:12 AM

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I, too, hate being #1, in first place in the conference, and coming off a Top 10 road win. It just sucks.
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Posted: 2/20/2013 7:56 PM

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I'm with you, Igee20. The old saying in Indiana is that half the fans think they know more about basketball than the coach while the other half know they do. There are some outstanding basketball coaches among the fan base who've never actually coached basketball.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 12:26 AM

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Jealousy.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 12:46 PM

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This is Indiana. Big difference between coaching here and coaching there.
MuggsyB wrote: I'm a die hard Marquette fan and have tremendous respect for your program but admit to not being a Crean supporter because of personal experience.  He's done a great overall job in Bloomington, can recruit for sure, and you fans deserve the very best in my humble opinion.  I certainly believe you are perhaps the most talented team in the country, but what you saw tonight is what we saw for 9 years.  He's just not a good game coach and on a neutral court against the best teams you will succeed with your best players taking over the game and stepping up, it will have little or nothing to do with TC's game adjustments and offensive sets or defensive strategy.  If you miss 3's come tourney time it will be very difficult against the best teams and for the life of me I do not understand why Zeller doesn't touch the ball nearly every time down the floor.  Good luck, I wish you well.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 7:08 AM

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Anyone with basketball knowledge should rewatch last nights game and watch how Indiana with the best players was out coached by Ohio.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:51 AM

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Give us some examples, Badger.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:21 PM

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MuggsyB,

You are correct. And that comes from an I.U. fan of some 35 years. I am not so delusional that I cannot interpret facts. And your comment is factual as we will see here.
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Posted: 3/6/2013 9:47 PM

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badgerwatcher wrote: Anyone with basketball knowledge should rewatch last nights game and watch how Indiana with the best players was out coached by Ohio.
Nah.........I'd rather watch the replay of the PU-Wisky game. tongue
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Posted: 3/8/2013 6:54 AM

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I missed it...hey, did you guys get to 40 points tonight?
badgerwatcher wrote: Anyone with basketball knowledge should rewatch last nights game and watch how Indiana with the best players was out coached by Ohio.

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Posted: 3/10/2013 6:45 PM

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Makes you wonder if the dolts on this thread will come back and acknowledge who just won the Big Ten title in a year that the Big Ten was as tough as it has been in at least a decade.

Somehow, I doubt it.

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Posted: 3/10/2013 8:10 PM

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StripedTomato wrote: Makes you wonder if the dolts on this thread will come back and acknowledge who just won the Big Ten title in a year that the Big Ten was as tough as it has been in at least a decade.

Somehow, I doubt it.
You have to know, Striped, that it takes a fresh kill to bring out the hyenas.

We not only survived today, we prevailed.  I'll have to watch the replay to formulate a qualified opinion on the role coaching played in the game today, but I do know Michigan was out of timeouts at the end when one would have come in handy.  

And, as MSU edges Northwestern at the Breslin Center, Wiscy fans can still say the Bo has never finished worse than fourth in the B1G.  That's something to aspire to, I guess, if you don't mind ties.

It may have been a fitting ending to the B1G season to have a four-way tie for first place in the conference.  I honestly could have found a way to be content with that.  But it is more fitting that IU lived up to the hype, and found a way under the most challenging of circumstances.  It's a great day to be a Hoosier.  And there are more great days to come.

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Posted: 3/12/2013 4:40 PM

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Izzo emptied the bench the last two minutes so Bu could reach 40.  On the Wussconsin board a poster wrote '' Bu does not specialize in offence or defense just excellence. Bu's meaning of excellence=teach the team to score a point a minute while only giving up a point and a half to two points. BIG coach of the year?
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Posted: 3/17/2013 9:35 AM

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thurufally - "Give us some examples, Badger."
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