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Posted: 2/7/2013 6:28 PM

Indiana - Illinois 


Gameday again!  It's in the wrong Assembly Hall, however.

Our zone defense has been roundly criticized, and although I believe it has a place in our arsenal of defensive schemes, tonight it would not be particularly useful to anyone but the Illini.  Let's hope we only show it briefly, and only to confuse them.

If Illinois is hitting from downtown, they can give fits to any team in the country.  Early in the season, they were getting decent looks and beat good teams like Butler and Gonzaga--but of late, opposing teams have figured out that Illinois has little if any inside game, and the defensive focus against them should be on the perimeter.  We need to get up in their grill and stay in front of them.

They like to run, but so do we.  Expect a big game from Cody Zeller.  Will this be Hanner's breakout night?  

Go IU!
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:08 PM

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Hey Iub, thanks for starting the thread, Should be a very interesting game tonight, Got the Big Bullseye on our Hoosiers back again, Hope they can deal w/it better than last time, I think they can and will, Now is the time for each player to control their own destinty as long as they play as a team. Forget about the highlite reels and tomahawk dunks, it really takes less effort to make a layup than a dunk and the percentage is far better. back to the game,

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:12 PM

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Both teams look tight out of the box, 6-5 Illinois at the under 16:00. We are pushing the ball, gotten out of control and turned it over three times in that segment. Brandon Paul started with a couple of air balls, but then he and Richardson hit 3's for their scoring. It's been all Watford for us in the scoring department--but he turned it over twice as well.

Settle in, work the ball to Zeller, defend the three-point line. Don't give these guys an idea that they can hang with us.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:23 PM

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More ragged play, a silly turnover by Remy Abell, and it's tied at 11 at the under 12:00. We made an effort to get the ball to Zeller in that segment, but Illinois quickly collapsed on him with three defenders and we have come up empty. Letting these guys hang around, with our sloppy play. Illinois has shown good energy and activity on defense, but the fouls are piling up for them.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:33 PM

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Up to six turnovers now for us, helping keep Illinois close. Victor has not had his usual effectiveness as yet, one bucket and two free throws, but Jordy hit his first three and it's 19-18 at the under 8:00, with Zeller heading to the line for a pair of throws when play resumes.

Elton, Creek, and Hollowell saw the floor in that last segment. We should have fresh legs down the stretch.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:42 PM

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Have a little separation at the under 4:00, now 30-23 good guys. Egwu picked up his second foul, and we're in the bonus. Our inside game should be clicking now, and Illinois' low basketball IQ is starting to surface.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:46 PM

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There's the flurry we have been waiting for, hitting a few shots and crashing the boards. IU up now 37-23 at the 2:12 mark and Groce has to burn one to settle his team down.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:52 PM

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Will and Vic seem to play out of control a lot tonight. What happened with the T ?
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Posted: 2/7/2013 7:59 PM

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Well, a double-digit lead at halftime on the road in the B1G is never a bad thing, and IU is up 41-29 at the break. Silly trash talking by Sheehey cost him a technical and cost us two points by UI at the line, but Will has 10 at the break to lead all scorers.

Our zone, while it has resulted in some good looks for the Illini, hasn't been a total debacle, due largely to some poor shooting by UI, 4-11 from deep. Again, although I like the fact that we show the zone and have it in our bag, this is not a team that picks well, gets a ton of assists, or works the ball inside. We are not in foul trouble. We are not shorthanded and don't need to conserve energy for the late going. I would rather we played a tight man and kept a finger in the Illinois shooters' noses at all times.

Also, we are simply a much better team when Yogi Ferrell is on the floor running the offense.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:02 PM

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johnfreed wrote: Will and Vic seem to play out of control a lot tonight. What happened with the T ?
Sheehey talked a little smack to Tyler Griffey after a nice dunk, right in front of the ref.  Have to be smarter than that. 

Hey, John, I have to go to a Board of Directors meeting for the local Babe Ruth Baseball organization in a short while, so you may have to fly solo after 8:20 pm or so.  Take us home to victory, OK?
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:10 PM

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Sure thing, I think that we put it on them this half. Sorry u got to leave, Later.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:17 PM

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How in freakin hell did we lose that game? I love this team, but we are not the best team in the country. We still make way to many mental mistakes. And IMO against quality opponents, we have yet to put together a complete game, from start to finish.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:24 PM

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Sorry IUB, Couldnt hold it down, We played silly ball tonight, especially Will, Hanner and Watford, We had the ball and a nine point lead, brought the ball down, Wat put up a quick shot and missed, absolutely uncalled for then UI started hitting uncontested three's, evidently our defense was lacking defending the three, We deserved to lose this game, Poor coaching and player decisons, that's about it, I might not even listen to another game this season, really disgusted with our play, Just the way I see it. Sorry.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:54 PM

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Watford was putting up quick shots all night, and missing most of them. Will had a great first-half, but was basically a no-show in the second half. And as for Hanner, he should never have even been put in the game. Again, as I have said repeatedly, I do not understand Crean's sub patterns. Sorry Coach, but IMO they suck!! You don't make mass substitutions at a time when you can totally bury an opponent. Every time he does that, Crean lets the other team get back in it. I to am disgusted with their play, but I will stick with them, thick and thin.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:13 PM

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The truth of the matter is, Our Coaching is is not up to par, Bad decisions from our coach, So how can we blame our players from making hare brained mistakes, You can't really, But if you have a big jug of Kool aid and wear Crimson Blinders you can say, We are fine, We will be ok. I just dont buy into that, I know the sky is not falling, But we are not going to finish in the top three of the big ten, much less win it outright, no National Championship for these showboats this year and probably not even next, I would set Will's ass on the far end of the bench and leave him there for the rest of the season and Vic next to him, I dont care how good they are, I tell you one thing they are both not as good as they think they are, If a player is good they don't have to tell other's how good they are, Look at how good Larry Bird was, Did he have to tell anyone how great he was? no he just played great just like Zeller does, every game, No showboating, just doing his job to the best of his ability, That is the type of players that win championships.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU

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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:27 PM

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Look, I'm not a Crean fan (we saw a lot of him in Madison) but, objectively speaking, he's not a very good game coach.  There should have been no confusion on that last inbounds.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:39 PM

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DBwheat, I agree with you 100%, Silly play by our players especially Will and Wat, A absolutely nut job of coaching, I am going to give Crean the benefit of doubt on this year and the last four, wipe the slate clean and say next year is his first year, just hope that he can play enough Crean Puff's to keep all his Kool Aid fans happy, everything is ok, we will be fine. I might just start hittint it myself, Pass the jug guy's, But sooner or later Reality will raise it's ugly face and we will be telling the same old story.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:16 PM

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Just watched the tape.  This is a galling and bitter loss in a place where we have struggled in recent years, no doubt.  But there is no need to overreact.

Statistics, they say, are for losers.  So let's look at some statistics.  We shot a better percentage from the floor, from 3-point range, and from the free throw line.  We had more assists, more blocks, and fewer fouls.  But we had 14 turnovers to their 9, they had two more steals, and they got 8 more shots at the basket--and when they're hitting, they can beat anybody.  Ask Butler and Gonzaga.

In a two-point game, you can point to just about any play and say it made the difference.  They went right at Hanner and got two quick scores when he got in the game.  Sheehey's technical gave them two cheap points at the line.  Victor's behind-the-back move at the end was, well, regrettable.  A dropped rebound, a lazy pass, a crazy bounce off the rim, a flop or two by B. Paul, confusion on an inbounds play--can change the outcome.  Tonight, we came up one good play short.

Give Illinois credit.  It was their Super Bowl, and we probably provided as much motivation as Groce did--although he did a good job of working the refs and keeping his crowd and his players' energy up in crunch time.  They could have folded when we went up 14 at the 12:45 mark.  They could have folded when Egwu fouled out at 4:52.  But they stayed active and played tough defense and hit big shots down the stretch--and when they do that, they can beat anybody. 

It was good to see Hollowell hit those two threes, we can use him going forward and he is developing nicely.  The bench contributed 19, from him and Sheehey.  We got 11 guys into the game, which could pay dividends in the future. 

Championships are not won in February.  If we learn from this and stay better focused at Ohio State, at Michigan State, and at Michigan, this loss will be forgotten.  Plain and simple, it's life on the road in the B1G, and life will go on.  It's still better to be IU than UI.

For the other losers out there tonight, here are the stats from ESPN:

 http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=3303 80356
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Posted: 2/8/2013 2:38 AM

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That's the problem IUB. It should never have come down to one play, here or there. Good teams, especially teams that are supposed to be one of the best in the land, if not the best, do not blow leads down the stretch like this team did tonite. That game should never have been in doubt those last 5 minutes. NEVER! We seem to have a tendency to let our foot off the throttle before a game is completely decided. Again, really good teams don't do that. And IMO, we don't need to play 11 guys until the game is out of hand. Outside of Sheehey and Hollowell, the other 4 guys who came in off the bench scored a total of "0" pts. Plain and simple, it may be life on the road in the B1G, but it's games like these that cost you conference titles.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:42 AM

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Last second losses are never fun. Kinda like when Iu beat UK on a last second shot last year.
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