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Discipline and Focus?

Posted: 1/25/2013 10:37 AM

Discipline and Focus? 


Discipline and focus, Reality is,Our team has no discipline, typical Tom Crean coached team, He might have the most talented team in the Big Ten, as I see it they have plenty of chief's but not enough Indians, We need some blue collar workers, some one that will rebound, block out, defend the three, not by playing three steps back but in their grill.
We need a take charge player on the floor, A team leader. A team captain. A lot of fans say this is Jordan Hulls team, He is the leader, But he has been here almost 4 years, is he the teams leader? no, far from it. Just wonder when he is going to step up.
Poor free throw shooting, it all goes back to being having self discipline and being focused. Gonna bite us bad before the season is over.
If he can, Tom Crean needs to kick ass with this team and if they don't listen to his instructions, put them on the end of the bench and leave them there. Give them a big dose of reality, a lesson that will help them later in life.
Rant over.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:45 AM

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johnfreed wrote: Discipline and focus, Reality is,Our team has no discipline, typical Tom Crean coached team, He might have the most talented team in the Big Ten, as I see it they have plenty of chief's but not enough Indians, We need some blue collar workers, some one that will rebound, block out, defend the three, not by playing three steps back but in their grill.
We need a take charge player on the floor, A team leader. A team captain. A lot of fans say this is Jordan Hulls team, He is the leader, But he has been here almost 4 years, is he the teams leader? no, far from it. Just wonder when he is going to step up.
Poor free throw shooting, it all goes back to being having self discipline and being focused. Gonna bite us bad before the season is over.
If he can, Tom Crean needs to kick ass with this team and if they don't listen to his instructions, put them on the end of the bench and leave them there. Give them a big dose of reality, a lesson that will help them later in life.
Rant over.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
The Hoosiers are shooting 73% from the line.  Zeller, who shoots far more attempts than anyone else, is a 72% shooter this year.  Watford has the second most attempts, and he's at 83%.

Doesn't seem like there's too much to complain about there.


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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:56 AM

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JakeGrafton wrote:
johnfreed wrote: Discipline and focus, Reality is,Our team has no discipline, typical Tom Crean coached team, He might have the most talented team in the Big Ten, as I see it they have plenty of chief's but not enough Indians, We need some blue collar workers, some one that will rebound, block out, defend the three, not by playing three steps back but in their grill.
We need a take charge player on the floor, A team leader. A team captain. A lot of fans say this is Jordan Hulls team, He is the leader, But he has been here almost 4 years, is he the teams leader? no, far from it. Just wonder when he is going to step up.
Poor free throw shooting, it all goes back to being having self discipline and being focused. Gonna bite us bad before the season is over.
If he can, Tom Crean needs to kick ass with this team and if they don't listen to his instructions, put them on the end of the bench and leave them there. Give them a big dose of reality, a lesson that will help them later in life.
Rant over.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
The Hoosiers are shooting 73% from the line.  Zeller, who shoots far more attempts than anyone else, is a 72% shooter this year.  Watford has the second most attempts, and he's at 83%.

Doesn't seem like there's too much to complain about there.
FT..."21-37" PSU game...that is lots to complain about...going to bite them big time in close game in tourney.



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Posted: 1/25/2013 12:12 PM

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Sure is gonna happen,(again). Wonder what world Jake lives in? Probably the (Everything is Fine World).

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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:27 PM

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Well, I'm not an Indiana fan. That might have something to do with my attitude!


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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:03 PM

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It was certainly one of the factors that let Minnesota get back in the ballgame with us. IU was 26-40 in that game. 65%. That won't cut it in close games.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:39 PM

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johnfreed wrote: Discipline and focus, Reality is,Our team has no discipline, typical Tom Crean coached team, He might have the most talented team in the Big Ten, as I see it they have plenty of chief's but not enough Indians, We need some blue collar workers, some one that will rebound, block out, defend the three, not by playing three steps back but in their grill.
We need a take charge player on the floor, A team leader. A team captain. A lot of fans say this is Jordan Hulls team, He is the leader, But he has been here almost 4 years, is he the teams leader? no, far from it. Just wonder when he is going to step up.
Poor free throw shooting, it all goes back to being having self discipline and being focused. Gonna bite us bad before the season is over.
If he can, Tom Crean needs to kick ass with this team and if they don't listen to his instructions, put them on the end of the bench and leave them there. Give them a big dose of reality, a lesson that will help them later in life.
Rant over.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
I can understand the rant, but I agree with Jake, as one game aginst the entire season seems like a stretch. Lighten up on the kids. They've represented IU very well this year nationally.

Also............. what you've described is not a discipline issue. It is more a work ethic issue that the players themselves have to work out. You can yell and sit guys on the bench all you want & that won't improve their rebounding, defense, free throw shooting, etc. The players have to want to do these things. This is why Izzo doesn't always go after all of the "5 stars".

Every team (you are correct) need grinders, rebounders, defensive minded players, etc. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, players that are willing to do all of the little things that never show up in the box scores, but the coaching staff and your team mates love you for it.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 11:57 PM

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bholla43 wrote:
JakeGrafton wrote:
johnfreed wrote: Discipline and focus, Reality is,Our team has no discipline, typical Tom Crean coached team, He might have the most talented team in the Big Ten, as I see it they have plenty of chief's but not enough Indians, We need some blue collar workers, some one that will rebound, block out, defend the three, not by playing three steps back but in their grill.
We need a take charge player on the floor, A team leader. A team captain. A lot of fans say this is Jordan Hulls team, He is the leader, But he has been here almost 4 years, is he the teams leader? no, far from it. Just wonder when he is going to step up.
Poor free throw shooting, it all goes back to being having self discipline and being focused. Gonna bite us bad before the season is over.
If he can, Tom Crean needs to kick ass with this team and if they don't listen to his instructions, put them on the end of the bench and leave them there. Give them a big dose of reality, a lesson that will help them later in life.
Rant over.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
The Hoosiers are shooting 73% from the line.  Zeller, who shoots far more attempts than anyone else, is a 72% shooter this year.  Watford has the second most attempts, and he's at 83%.

Doesn't seem like there's too much to complain about there.
FT..."21-37" PSU game...that is lots to complain about...going to bite them big time in close game in tourney.
A perfect example of how to lie with statistics. We have had plenty of key games where free throw shooting was really poor.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:52 AM

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I don't know where to easily find the free throw shooting percentages of each B1G school, without going to each school's site (sadly, I didn't see team stats in a single table on the Big Ten's website, but maybe I just couldn't find it).

I would like to know how Indiana's 73% shooting ranks in the Big Ten, and how it compares to the other five or six top teams in the conference.


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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:39 PM

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JakeGrafton wrote: I don't know where to easily find the free throw shooting percentages of each B1G school, without going to each school's site (sadly, I didn't see team stats in a single table on the Big Ten's website, but maybe I just couldn't find it).

I would like to know how Indiana's 73% shooting ranks in the Big Ten, and how it compares to the other five or six top teams in the conference.
don't care what other BIG teams are doing.....where they rank in BIG FT % not going to win any tourney games for them........



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Posted: 1/26/2013 4:11 PM

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JakeGrafton wrote: I don't know where to easily find the free throw shooting percentages of each B1G school, without going to each school's site (sadly, I didn't see team stats in a single table on the Big Ten's website, but maybe I just couldn't find it).

I would like to know how Indiana's 73% shooting ranks in the Big Ten, and how it compares to the other five or six top teams in the conference.
Well, go figure.  Through yesterday:

1.  Indiana:      .730 (393-538)
2.  Illinois:        .713 (276-387)
3.  Michigan      .713 (229-321)
4.  Michigan St: .712 (289-406)
5.  Iowa:          .703 (324-461)
6.  Penn St:      .695 (273-393)
7.  Minnesota:   .691 (326-472)
8.  Nebraska:     .689 (208-302)
9.  Ohio St:       .675 (239-354)
10. N'western:   .666 (273-410)
11. Purdue:       .627 (227-362)
12. Wisconsin:   .611 (201-329)

Not only have we shot the best free throw percentage in the B1G, we have shot 67 more free throws and made 66 more than the next closest team (Minnesota).

Somebody must be doing something right.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 7:11 PM

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Seems like we miss a lot of front parts of one and ones in the crucial part of the games. Jordy used to be the mark em down man. and Cody just don't seem as focused as he was last year. In the Butler loss if we had hit some crucial free throw's we wouldnt have lost the game. Oh well I might be wrong I usually am about 50% of the time, and I don't get to watch many games as I used to. My own decision.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:13 PM

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Everyone's entitled to his own opinion, John, but imposing a standard of near-perfection on a coach and blaming him for every aspect of a team's performance that doesn't meet that standard in every game, is, well, not the look that most serious sports analysts are striving for. And while I might think it doesn't look particularly good on you, I understand that it's your longstanding opinion and it's not likely to change by dint of outside pressure or influence.

But let me ask you this: Let's say we woke up tomorrow morning and found that Tom Crean has announced that he is leaving Indiana, say to coach the L.A. Lakers, where he can be in a fishbowl with millions of crazies following his every move just like at IU, but for multiples of the money and on a glamorous team in a world-class city, in a professional league that is the pinnacle of global basketball. Fred Glass's second call (after calling Coach Crean to try and talk him into staying), is to Brad Stevens, who says, thanks but no thanks, he's perfectly happy at Butler, he has no ties to Indiana University and doesn't need any more money, he has a nice class of 3-star recruits coming in 2013 and he'll be just fine working perceived miracles with them, at least until the Duke job opens up. What do you do then?

Meanwhile, Noah Vonleh, Troy Williams, and Luke Fischer ask to be released from their LOI's, because each has said out loud that his primary reason for committing to IU is Tom Crean. Cody Zeller and Victor Oladipo jump to the NBA, and suddenly the scholarship problem is reversed--but is now even more problematic. Stanford Robinson announces that he really had his heart set on playing with Victor, so now he'd just as soon go to NC State (where he held an offer) with his homeboy Beejay Anya (actually, it is possible to imagine this scenario playing out even if Brad Stevens says Yes to Fred Glass). Watford and Hulls graduate.

What do you do then?

I know there are plenty of critics of Coach Crean's clapping, Tweeting, sideline intensity and hyperactivity, tan complexion, hairdo, religious convictions, etc., but these are generally critics who hate Indiana, or who still adore Coach Knight or wanted Alford or some other golden boy who didn't have the stomach for the job in 2008. This is all so much white noise anyway and has little to do with in-game coaching, which is in reality his softest area--but there is no doubt that the persona we see on the sidelines is his genuine personality, and his genuine personality truly resonates with recruits. He may rely as much on the talent and judgement of his players as on his own X's and O's, but he has an outstanding record in attracting that kind of talent to his teams, and frankly, the greatly talented players in this day and age want to play for a coach who gives them that freedom and trusts their judgment in running through the various options of sets rather than executing the scripts of robotic plays.

It's 2013. The war in Viet Nam is history, and The General will not return. Time to move on. We've got a big game tomorrow, and it's on free TV.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:36 AM

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I, for one, have been a fan of TC's even before we hired him. I was probably one of the first to run out and buy my Crean and Crimson shirt. But all that doesn't mean that I, like John, don't have the right to criticize the man. I think that this team does lose its' focus from time to time. While one may put most of the blame on the players themselves, IMO Coach deserves some of that blame also. And I'm sorry, but I have never understood his substitution patterns. Again, just IMHO, some of those patterns have cost us ballgames. 

Now, would I want to wake up tomorrow to the scenario of him leaving. Of course not! I think overall, he is fantastic. He helped resurrect us from the grave. But, he is not perfect, and I don't think he loses any sleep over some of us criticizing him.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:59 AM

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Crean only needs to do one thing..."kick some arses"...and get these guys motivated....(see Wisky game).


and speaking of Ryan I notice he doesn't kiss their arses all the time....and the result...11 in a row over IU and counting........


people not going to like this but if this team doesn't come together real soon they will be a 1st or 2nd Rd flame out in the tourney....mark it down.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:13 AM

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Yes IUB, I am probably wrong about my opinion's, Crean is a great recruiter, a very likeable person, probably the best fit for IU, in fact if it hadn't been for him we wouldn't be where we are today, Cody would have signed with Butler or NC. or maybe even Purdue. He has been here going on 5 year's, I agree the first 4 don't count.
He is our coach and I support him even i don't always agree with everyone on his in game coaching decison's, I have my own opinion's, which I have said are probably wrong, but when we lose a home game to Wisc. with the talent we have on our team, something is not quite right, Coach said that the players were just not ready to play, they lost their edge, Why? he is the man in charge, but I think that any coach, anywhere should not always blame the players but come out and say it was my fault that the players wasn't ready to play, What would the General have done? Sit the player's on the far end of the bench until he got their attention, it always worked for him. Might bring back their edge, whatever that means, might be my problem, i might have lost my edge, didnt realize it at the time. I just hope that the players are ready to play today because we really need a win over the Sparty's. Just hope the ref's don't steal the game from us. 
Just hope for the best, I am a very optimistic person and always think we will win every game although I know that we won't. But basketball is a sport, for enjoyment purposes only, if you don't enjoy the watching the game, listen to it on the radio like I do, everything will be fine. I would add more but I lost a tooth yesterday and have to go look under my pillow to see if the tooth fairy left me a dollar, she has been unpredictable as of lately but I still belive in her. Sorry for the spelling, but my spell check is on the blink.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:36 AM

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Enjoyed last years team a lot better than this one....they were hungry and had that chip on their shoulder...this team seems to think they are entitled now after all the preseason #1 hype and think they don't have to show up and play very hard for 40 minutes every game...again think this team is early exit from tourney unless they come together because they seem to be playing themselves down in the seeding list.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 7:12 PM

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Well now. He certainly kicked Tom the cry baby's ass today, didn't he. I haven't been here for a while. Same ol John Freed. 18-2, John, 18-2. Nuff said.
bholla43 wrote: Crean only needs to do one thing..."kick some arses"...and get these guys motivated....(see Wisky game).


and speaking of Ryan I notice he doesn't kiss their arses all the time....and the result...11 in a row over IU and counting........


people not going to like this but if this team doesn't come together real soon they will be a 1st or 2nd Rd flame out in the tourney....mark it down.
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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:19 AM

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Crean has done a great job this year and generally since he came to IU we have steadily improved. Great recruiter, good coach. Does that mean we have to think he is among the elite coaches in the nation and has no weaknesses? No, his teams are great when they hit threes and can run. Otherwise they struggle against tough competition. Defense is inconsistent but can be good. He has very good talent that ranks in the top five this year. I think the fact that IU could win it all is a testimony to how well Crean has done but it is not necessary to rant and rave about how great he is to recognize that. I do think we could be a lot better, especially if we would go to the zone less.
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