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Butlers win

Posted: 12/15/2012 5:30 PM

Butlers win 


Bitter pill to swallow, But the truth is we just got outcoached, No fricking way we should have lost when their starters had fouled out, Good wake up call. Oh well just going to drink another beer.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:58 PM

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When is Crean going to start coaching pressure defense? Butler 11 threes............
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Posted: 12/15/2012 7:03 PM

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this should bring their heads down out of the clouds....next three they should win but this team will have to prove they can win away from AH against good teams.



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Posted: 12/15/2012 9:39 PM

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Looking for a new coach?  I hear Buzz Williams is looking for a new home.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 1:47 AM

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badgerwatcher wrote: Looking for a new coach?  I hear Buzz Williams is looking for a new home.
Why would he want to do that, after beating Wisky's arse the last 2 years?
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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:42 AM

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No I dont think that we need a new coach at this point, I think that Crean needs to hire Stevens as assistant, We could have the best of both worlds, A top in game coach and a good recruiter.
I think that our players lost a lot of their steam from all the chest bumping before the overtime. Anyone notice that Vic was playing to the crowd instead paying attention to the game.
Gotta give Butler their due for their blue collar workmanship during the game. Also if we had a game plan like Stevens laid out for their team we could have beat them by ten points, more or less.
If Crean dont start stressing defense and fundamentials we are not going to hang the new banner anytime soon.
Just hope he gets the ship righted before the start of the big 10. Not going to be a cake walk by any means.
I told my son before the game that their was a possibility that we could lose to Butler, He said that we couldnt possibile lose the game because IU was #1 in the country and had too many great players.
One loss this early really dont hurt our team, might just wake them up. JMHO.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:24 AM

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Losing wasn't a shocker but not being able to outscore them for 5 minutes with 3 of their starters out was inexcusable. Butler deserved this win and we deserved the loss. But at this point in the season, IU is still one of the likely candidates for the national title, one of about five: IU, Duke, Michigan, Syracuse and Ohio State.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:44 AM

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88 points....11 threes...no defense = Lose...no matter if it's Coppin St...!!!


well on to the next cupcake...


this team going to struggle big time on the road in the B1G.



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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:08 AM

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johnfreed wrote: No I dont think that we need a new coach at this point, I think that Crean needs to hire Stevens as assistant, We could have the best of both worlds, A top in game coach and a good recruiter.
I think that our players lost a lot of their steam from all the chest bumping before the overtime. Anyone notice that Vic was playing to the crowd instead paying attention to the game.
Gotta give Butler their due for their blue collar workmanship during the game. Also if we had a game plan like Stevens laid out for their team we could have beat them by ten points, more or less.
If Crean dont start stressing defense and fundamentials we are not going to hang the new banner anytime soon.
Just hope he gets the ship righted before the start of the big 10. Not going to be a cake walk by any means.
I told my son before the game that their was a possibility that we could lose to Butler, He said that we couldnt possibile lose the game because IU was #1 in the country and had too many great players.
One loss this early really dont hurt our team, might just wake them up. JMHO.
Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
took the words right out of my mouth....enough with the chest thumping and looking into the crowd after a dunk and making that three sign by the head...time to get down to business...I think they are looking at least six B1G losses on the road. going to end up playing themselves down to a three or four or worse seed for the tourney if they can't win on the road.

and yes Duke is the real #1 team after beating some very good teams on the...road.



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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:19 PM

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No way Brad Stevens takes an assistant job anywhere, even at IU (where I think he eventually wants to end up).
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Posted: 12/16/2012 3:35 PM

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well Mt St Mary's probably does not want to come to Bloomington because I think they are going to face a bunch of really pissed off Hoosiers......



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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:05 PM

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chitownUofI05 wrote: No way Brad Stevens takes an assistant job anywhere, even at IU (where I think he eventually wants to end up).
I agree.  He's had plenty of chances to move up in the coaching ranks, but has chosen to stay at Butler.  He would be an obvious target for IU, should the job ever open up. 

Before we anoint him as the second coming, I'm wondering where the genius was when his team was losing to Xavier by 15, and Illinois by 17?  I suppose he learned a lot from those losses.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:25 PM

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Is Stevens THAT much younger than Crean? (too lazy to look up ages)

IMO, it would preferable if Crean could be grooming his successor right there on his own staff. If that's not doable (maybe the top assistant is too old or something like that), then clearly the AD should be an surely is maintaining a list of his first, second, and third choices to succeed Cream if Tom is hit by a bus or otherwise leaves suddenly (hey, who thought Bret Bielema would bolt from Wisconsin to go to Arkansas of all places?).

When and if Stevens takes another job, it'll be a big time one, to be sure, and likely in the Big Ten or ACC or even Kansas, Texas, or Oklahoma (no one else in the Big 12 is big enough for him to bother with).

I hope he's a lifer at Butler. They've lost top coaches in the past fifteen years who used Butler as a stepping stone. It would be nice if they could keep the guy who is their best coach ever.


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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:17 PM

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There's 10 years difference in their ages as Crean is 46 and Stevens is 36.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:06 PM

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JakeGrafton wrote: Is Stevens THAT much younger than Crean? (too lazy to look up ages)

IMO, it would preferable if Crean could be grooming his successor right there on his own staff. If that's not doable (maybe the top assistant is too old or something like that), then clearly the AD should be an surely is maintaining a list of his first, second, and third choices to succeed Cream if Tom is hit by a bus or otherwise leaves suddenly (hey, who thought Bret Bielema would bolt from Wisconsin to go to Arkansas of all places?).

When and if Stevens takes another job, it'll be a big time one, to be sure, and likely in the Big Ten or ACC or even Kansas, Texas, or Oklahoma (no one else in the Big 12 is big enough for him to bother with).

I hope he's a lifer at Butler. They've lost top coaches in the past fifteen years who used Butler as a stepping stone. It would be nice if they could keep the guy who is their best coach ever.
Stevens isnt going to go to a football school. He's a BB man...a opening at Duke, the Ville or the Cuse...maybe...Texas, Oklahoma..no. He'll stay put til a GREAT fit opens up. Even then he might stay.


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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:13 AM

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It seems to me we have the same defensive weaknesses we had last year, and if we aren't shooting the 3 from outside, even against a much smaller team, we are inconsistent offensively. We can mount up scores if the 3 falls but otherwise, the good teams will give us fits. I think IU is still one of the favorites to win it all but these are things we have to live with and will live with all year, especially away from the comfort zone of Assembly Hall. Crean is a geat recruiter and a good coach but I have never had total faith in run and gun basketball. It's just too unpredictable--but that's what we've got and it's fun when the shots are coming or the other team is too outmanned to stop the break.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:50 AM

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A national contender will win at Iowa, but a national pretender won't win.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 12:23 PM

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Upunder wrote: A national contender will win at Iowa, but a national pretender won't win.
agreed........wink...lose at Iowa and they will really doubt themselves...could be the most important game of the season.


had to edit..losse to lose...begining to spell like a kentucky fan...eek !!!!!



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Posted: 12/17/2012 11:17 PM

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Clearly, the road in the B1G will be the best indicator of how good we actually are. We went 12-0 in the OOC last year, went to Michigan State and came away 12-1. We won only three B1G games on the road last year. And we were a pretty darned good team.

The road environment may be an eye-opener for the freshmen, but we should be able to expect that our more experienced players will weather the antagonism. There's no accounting for some of the home cooking you can be served on the road, but we should be able to battle through most of the adversity.

The game at Michigan in March is already looming large.
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