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IU-Butler Game

Posted: 12/15/2012 10:40 AM

IU-Butler Game 


What are your thought's on today's game? Will we win big? or will it be a close game? Any die hard fans wanting to discuss? Thanks.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 12:03 PM

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Like you, I have more questions than answers at this hour. There are lots of factors to consider:

1. We're coming off a week without a game, a week of final exams for some players, and we're away from Assembly Hall against a disciplined, well-coached team. We have tended to get off to slow starts anyway, so expect a tight game early, even into the second half, as both teams try to feel each other out with different strategies on both ends.

2. Defending Rotnei Clarke. Coach Crean has mentioned working on some different defenses this week, triangle-and-two, box-and-one, various zone configurations. The box-and-one might be tried against Clarke, maybe with Victor on him. We just have to recognize that stopping Clarke won't matter if we give up 40 to Kellen Dunham (like the Vinales/Hunter situation last game).

3. Hanner Perea and Peter Jurkin, both largely unknown factors. For Butler, getting Cody into foul trouble would be a huge advantage, and they have little to lose by going at him early with Andrew Smith. We know Hanner can dunk and rebound, but can he defend at this level, and is he truly healthy? The expectations for Jurkin are reasonably low, but he could be a significant player. On the flip side, getting Andrew Smith in foul trouble early would be disastrous for the Bulldogs.

4. It could come down to the last 5 minutes, and our depth. We going to want to run and press, and our ability to go 10-11 deep could wear Butler down over the course of 40 minutes.

5. Anything can happen, but if the Hoosiers don't try to force the action too much, just bring good energy on both ends and find their rhythm on offense, the game will come to them and their superior athleticism. Expect a chess match from both coaching staffs, but in the end, the players will make the difference. Go Hoosiers!
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:15 PM

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Slow start for both teams. 2 misses each by Oladipo and Yogi. Cody did not touch the ball on the offensive end until around the 17 minute mark, didn't get his first shot until the 16 minute mark. Need to find him, run the offense through him.

A shot by Jordy wouldn't hurt a thing. I believe Sheehey was heading to the scorer's bench before the under 16:00.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:37 PM

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We are getting beat on the boards 17 rebounds to 11, at the under 8:00. Hanner time?
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Posted: 12/15/2012 2:53 PM

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Butler still hanging around. the hoosiers seem to be trying too hard.

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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:04 PM

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IU up 37-33 at the half, very competitive game throughout. Still getting killed on the boards, 23-13, although Perea didn't get in until the 58 second mark. He has beefed up, looks like a beast. Butler has been getting the benefit of some long caroms, but they seem to be typically in better position to board nonetheless.

Should be 37-30, but we lost Fromm on that last out-of-bounds play. Both Sheehey and Oladipo followed Clarke, which left Fromm wide open. I would not take the pressure off of Clarke, but maybe one guy on him would be enough, because Butler has other scoring options.

Cody gets bumped off his shot way, way, way to easily. It would be less painful if he were hitting his throws, which lately he is not. Two fouls on Smith are huge, let's take it to him early in the second half.

The game has been played mainly at Butler's pace so far. Let's see what adjustments the coaches make at the break. Anybody's game at this point.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 3:41 PM

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Fouls piling up for Butler, 4 on Jones, Smith, and Fromm. Pound it inside, we're in the double bonus at the 9:00 mark.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:20 PM

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Holy Cow. Yogi giveth, Yogi taketh away.

Have to say O.T. favors the Hoosiers, with Jones and Smith on the bench. The way this one has gone, who knows?

Either way, congrats to Butler. They came prepared, they played with energy and poise, they never let us get on a run.

OK, screw it down in O.T. and take care of the ball, pound it inside, get out of here alive.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 4:40 PM

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Great game. Whatever Stevens is teaching the rest of the countries coaches should be taking notes.
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Posted: 12/15/2012 5:08 PM

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Credit goes to Butler and Stevens. Hull's defense has improved greatly this year, and the effort was clearly there, but Butler was able to go right at him on several critical plays, including the Barlow shot that won the game. We took a chance and subbed Abell for Zeller on that play, so we didn't have the big eraser in there to help and defend the paint. Clearly we played for the steal, and it didn't work out.

In a 2-point O.T. game, you can point at any individual play, or any individual's play, and say it coulda, shoulda, woulda made a difference. Rotnei Clarke ended up with 19 huge points, with big shots by Stigall and Barlow spelling the difference down the stretch. We didn't work the offense through Zeller enough, and they had six more total rebounds and five more offensive rebounds. Balance that with fewer fouls, fewer turnovers, more assists and more free throws for IU--although we probably should shoot better than 71% from the line. Yogi hurried his play, made freshman mistakes, even though he hit the shot that sent it to O.T., he was out of control at times.

Came down to defense, and Butler's ability to stop us from putting a big run together. Butler did a better job with team defense than we did. Come March, this game will not matter. We need to learn from it, get our new bench bigs into the flow, and move on. Practice should be intense.  Coach Crean will see to it.

Last edited 12/15/2012 5:10 PM by IUebermensch

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Posted: 12/15/2012 7:10 PM

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This game for me only reenforces the notion that great guard play is paramount. Space the floor, have great guards and serviceable bigs and you can play with anyone, the three ball insures that. Great bigs are too easily nullified with decent size and various defensive schemes. Right now I am not really sure who is the best team in the country. Duke is playing like it and they will not get blown out but they aren't up to their hype either.
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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:13 AM

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I wasn't able to watch the game yesterday, Christmas shopping, but I'm going to watch the replay today.

I heard it was a great game. I think Stevens is one of the best in the business. The Big Ten is going to be an epic battle.
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Posted: 12/17/2012 6:18 AM

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Butler deserved the win, no doubt. The unforgivable thing about this game was we had  a lucky tie at the regulation and still couldn't outscore them for 5 minutes with three of their guys fouled out. That's just not the real No. 1 team in the nation at this point. I personally think Syracuse has been the most impressive but there's Duke and Michigan right with them.
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Posted: 12/19/2012 7:08 PM

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Michigan and Duke look unstoppable and they are very well coached, Gonna be tough to contend with. Coach better get his team fine tuned soon. But playing a soft scedule and more cupcakes sure wont help the cause, might look good on paper but wont help the team in crunch time.

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Posted: 12/19/2012 7:10 PM

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Michigan and Duke look unstoppable and they are very well coached, Gonna be tough to contend with. Coach better get his team fine tuned soon. But playing a soft scedule and more cupcakes sure wont help the cause, might look good on paper but wont help the team in crunch time.

Hoosier Forever,
GO IU
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