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Posted: 11/6/2012 7:50 PM

Jurkin and Perea 


The news has been out and pretty well cussed and discussed already, but here is the most comprehensive and factual article on Perea's and Jurkin's suspension from ITH.

This too will pass.  But you just have to shake your head at the NCAA.

 http://www.insidethehall.com/2012/11/06/ncaa-rules -peter-jurkin-and-hanner-mosquera-perea-must-sit-9 -games/#more-24408
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Posted: 11/6/2012 8:16 PM

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Posted: 11/6/2012 8:37 PM

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CBS Sports thinks it's as ridiculous as we do.  Hopefully, the NCAA is listening, as there is our appeal to consider.  Hopefully, they are not as deaf as they are blind and dumb:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/ey e-on-college-basketball/20856486/pair-of-indiana-f reshmen-have-to-sit-first-nine-games-of-the-season
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Posted: 11/6/2012 9:29 PM

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Marquette fan here. The NCAA has done some incredibly stupid things, but I think that this tops them all......by far. eek1


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Posted: 11/6/2012 10:12 PM

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Posted: 11/6/2012 11:49 PM

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http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/20 12/11/116attach.pdf

I like this. It shows that IU reported the violations. They didn't let it go, get caught, and then play the I didn't know game like some universities do....

I think its ridiculous, but its 9 games, they'll be ready for all the Big Ten and really, UCLA/GTown game is really to me, the only game that IU might lose. UNC isn't nearly as good as last year. Add that one, and the other 7 without these two guys are easy wins.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:40 PM

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So tell me if I have this straight.  To put is simply, Mark Adams runs A-Hope.  The Indiana Elite is a part of the A-Hope foundation.  Mark Adams is not affiliated with Indiana University any longer other than this donation a long time ago that they are getting in trouble for.  Crean hires Mark Adams' son Drew as an assistant.  Am I wrong about any of this?

Technically, this isn't against the rules since Drew Adams isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope.  But anybody with a brain can see why Adams is on the staff.  It's as slimey as schools giving jobs to a recruits family member, a la Kansas and Mario Chalmers' Dad.  You can say it's not against the rules, but I don't see how any of you can complain about Calipari or anybody else being slimey, because this is just as blatant of a scheme. 

If my facts are wrong, let me know.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:03 PM

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STLINI wrote: So tell me if I have this straight.  To put is simply, Mark Adams runs A-Hope.  The Indiana Elite is a part of the A-Hope foundation.  Mark Adams is not affiliated with Indiana University any longer other than this donation a long time ago that they are getting in trouble for.  Crean hires Mark Adams' son Drew as an assistant.  Am I wrong about any of this?

Technically, this isn't against the rules since Drew Adams isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope.  But anybody with a brain can see why Adams is on the staff.  It's as slimey as schools giving jobs to a recruits family member, a la Kansas and Mario Chalmers' Dad.  You can say it's not against the rules, but I don't see how any of you can complain about Calipari or anybody else being slimey, because this is just as blatant of a scheme. 

If my facts are wrong, let me know.
I don't think Drew being hired by Crean has anything to do with it. Drew didn't give these kids anything. Mark is considered a booster cause he donated $185 to the Athletic Program over 20 years ago. He gave those kids stuff to help them, since he is a booster, its illegal apparently. If you go to the link in my post above, it shows that IU reported the violation sometime last year I think. I don't think Mark's son Drew has anything to do with this.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:13 PM

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iuhoosiers2006 wrote:
STLINI wrote: So tell me if I have this straight.  To put is simply, Mark Adams runs A-Hope.  The Indiana Elite is a part of the A-Hope foundation.  Mark Adams is not affiliated with Indiana University any longer other than this donation a long time ago that they are getting in trouble for.  Crean hires Mark Adams' son Drew as an assistant.  Am I wrong about any of this?

Technically, this isn't against the rules since Drew Adams isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope.  But anybody with a brain can see why Adams is on the staff.  It's as slimey as schools giving jobs to a recruits family member, a la Kansas and Mario Chalmers' Dad.  You can say it's not against the rules, but I don't see how any of you can complain about Calipari or anybody else being slimey, because this is just as blatant of a scheme. 

If my facts are wrong, let me know.
I don't think Drew being hired by Crean has anything to do with it. Drew didn't give these kids anything. Mark is considered a booster cause he donated $185 to the Athletic Program over 20 years ago. He gave those kids stuff to help them, since he is a booster, its illegal apparently. If you go to the link in my post above, it shows that IU reported the violation sometime last year I think. I don't think Mark's son Drew has anything to do with this.

I know that Drew has nothing to do with this violation, thats why I pointed out that Drew isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope, so his position as an assistant has nothing to do with this.  Not questioning that at all, I understand that this has to do with Mark's donation a long time ago. 

My question was simply about the slimey tactic of hiring the son of a guy that runs a program that adopts basketball players and runs an AAU program.  It's no different than Calipari or Self giving jobs to recruits parents.  It's basically a feeder program, and Crean hired the son of the guy running it.  Legal, I guess - slimey as hell, absolutely.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 2:07 PM

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Drew is no longer on the IU staff.  He is now at New Mexico.  Before coming to IU he worked at Tennessee.  It would be difficult to say that he wasn't qualified.  Was IU suppose to not hire him because of who is father is?

Mark Adams gave the NCAA everything they needed.  He attempted to do whatever he could to be sure that he and his organization operated within the NCAA rules.  He has had athletes go to about 14 different schools.  The only reason this is an issue is because of the $185 from 1986-1992 that make him forever a booster.

I would compare this closer to the Michael Oher situation (from the move Blindside) than hiring family members for a specific recruit.  You also have to consider that recruiting is all about relationships.  Every college program has coaches on staff that have ties to AAU programs. 

The bottom line I get from all of this is don't ever cooperate with the NCAA.  Duke never did anything wrong in the eyes of them.  Its pretty normal for a college student to have $30,000 for jewelry.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 3:05 PM

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think it would be best for IU to stay away from these foreign players with AAU ties. Don't know of any past players that have helped IU.



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Posted: 11/7/2012 4:49 PM

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I tell my kids all the time, "When you do bad things, they always come back on you. It's called KARMA." Creaned Ron= Lose your A Hope kids (for a while)!
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Posted: 11/7/2012 6:26 PM

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SweetHomeIndiana wrote: I tell my kids all the time, "When you do bad things, they always come back on you. It's called KARMA." Creaned Ron= Lose your A Hope kids (for a while)!
Well, that's a bit of a stretch, but judging from your last 10 posts on Scout, Ron Patterson might well be one of your children.  I hope you also them all the time to study hard if they hope to make the grade at an A.A.U. institution.

Everyone in the Hoosier Nation rejoiced when Ron announced for IU.  No one in the Hoosier Nation was happy to see him go.  There were other plans in place to keep him with the team.  We wish him nothing but good things at Syracuse, and hope he goes on to play at the next level and earns enough to share the finer things in life with his family.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 7:31 PM

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If you have 11 minutes to spare, here's the podcast from Coach Crean's appearance on Dan Dakich's show today.  He's clearly holding back, but there's no doubt how he feels about the fairness and justice of it all--particularly from Jurkin's and Perea's perspective:

http://www.1070thefan.com/dakich/podcast.aspx


The story is still evolving, pending the outcome of the appeal.  After a year and a half, the trip has been long and strange.  If the NCAA doesn't soften its stance, well, I guess we have been through worse.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:57 PM

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It seems severe but it's not as bad as the probable fate of some other freshmen players around the country who may not be able to play at all. I don't think it hurts the team much, if at all. Feel for Perea and Jurkin but they will be playing by Big Ten time--so in the long view of things--big deal.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:41 PM

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well everyone has had their vents and rants so it's time to move on....a ripoff but the NC2A is good at making stupid decisions...they make up rules as they go...forget the appeal because that archaic bunch woudn't get around to it for a couple of years...



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Posted: 11/8/2012 4:00 PM

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So, STLINI, anyone who hires Drew is slimey because his dad runs AHOPE and coaches an elite AAU basketball team?

Sorry, but that is just silly.  That would mean no one could hire him without being labeled as slimey.  The poor young man may not be able to get a job anywhere, even if he is qualified.  That is just plain unfair.

Furthermore, I think there is a really  big difference between hiring a recruit's dad and hiring someone who is the son of an AAU coach. 

I think you need to look at the young man's qualifications and the job he was hired for.  Drew wasn't hired as an Assistant Coach, but for a much lower position.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 10:11 PM

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STLINI wrote:
iuhoosiers2006 wrote:
STLINI wrote: So tell me if I have this straight.  To put is simply, Mark Adams runs A-Hope.  The Indiana Elite is a part of the A-Hope foundation.  Mark Adams is not affiliated with Indiana University any longer other than this donation a long time ago that they are getting in trouble for.  Crean hires Mark Adams' son Drew as an assistant.  Am I wrong about any of this?

Technically, this isn't against the rules since Drew Adams isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope.  But anybody with a brain can see why Adams is on the staff.  It's as slimey as schools giving jobs to a recruits family member, a la Kansas and Mario Chalmers' Dad.  You can say it's not against the rules, but I don't see how any of you can complain about Calipari or anybody else being slimey, because this is just as blatant of a scheme. 

If my facts are wrong, let me know.
I don't think Drew being hired by Crean has anything to do with it. Drew didn't give these kids anything. Mark is considered a booster cause he donated $185 to the Athletic Program over 20 years ago. He gave those kids stuff to help them, since he is a booster, its illegal apparently. If you go to the link in my post above, it shows that IU reported the violation sometime last year I think. I don't think Mark's son Drew has anything to do with this.

I know that Drew has nothing to do with this violation, thats why I pointed out that Drew isn't officially offiliated with A-Hope, so his position as an assistant has nothing to do with this.  Not questioning that at all, I understand that this has to do with Mark's donation a long time ago. 

My question was simply about the slimey tactic of hiring the son of a guy that runs a program that adopts basketball players and runs an AAU program.  It's no different than Calipari or Self giving jobs to recruits parents.  It's basically a feeder program, and Crean hired the son of the guy running it.  Legal, I guess - slimey as hell, absolutely.
A feeder program? out of all the players that have been involved with A-HOPE. Jurkin, Perea and Jobe are the only 3 who ever stepped foot on IU campus as a student-athlete. Thats hardly a feeder program.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:16 AM

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Although Mark Adams is involved in both A-HOPE and Indiana Elite, they are separate organizations.
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Posted: 11/9/2012 10:52 AM

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Going to beat this dead horse one more time....NCAA is on a witch hunt for IU because they wanted to nail Knight when he was at IU but they couldn't because he ran a 100% clean program (and apparently Davis also) and it pissed them off because he was the only coach that would call them out for what they are a..."worthless"...organization...so they will dig deep on IU anytime they can. And if you don't believe that then you're a lost soul in the sports world.


In recent memory I only know of two coaches that would stand up to the NCAA while all the coaches now are scared to death of them....and they were..Knight and Jerry Tarkanian @ UNLV.

Never forget that famous quote by Tarkanian..."NCAA was so mad at Kentucky that they gave (some small school) probation"...LOL...If you don't know what he meant I'll let you know!!!



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