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QB question

Posted: 11/12/2012 5:57 PM

QB question 


I've been wondering if Coach Wilson will recruit another Tre Roberson this year or next year. I'd personally like to see him recruit another dual threat (Roberson type) this year. I've got two questions actually, first will we take a QB in this class and second, does Wilson want to build his program around a Nate Sudfeld type (Pro Qb) or a Dual Threat QB?

My personal feelings on this are in favor of dual threat. Now if we could bolster our defense and have an upper echelon Big Ten defense, we probably would be better off going in the Pro QB direction. For now, IU really needs the dual abilities of a Tre Roberson, an athletic QB who can pressure a defense with his feet. This has been a tough season and Roberson more than likely would've put IU over the top in three games: Ball State for sure, Navy for sure and Michigan State, possibly even Northwestern. I just don't see Navy or Ball State being anywhere near IU with Roberson behind center.

I wonder what direction Coach Wilson wants to go in regards to recruiting future QB's.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 9:36 PM

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It doesn't appear that recruiting the QB position is a high priority for next year.

Personally, I like the dual threat QB (assuming the guy is a decent passer and not just a running back taking the snap), because it forces the defense to account for him, which can open things up just a tad more for the other offensive weapons. A scrambling QB also can help hide the deficiencies of the pass protection, which has been a concern for us. I agree, we suffered a big loss when Tre went down.

I think Tre will have the edge coming into next year, if he can recover fully from the injury, but expect fierce competition for that spot. The experience Coffman and Sudfeld are getting is great for their development. It will be interesting to watch.
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Posted: 11/13/2012 10:45 PM

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"It doesn't appear that recruiting the QB position is a high priority for next year."

I have to agree given the choice getting more help on defense would be a higher priority than QB. That being said, I'm not so sure Tre will be the answer next year anyway as I still question his passing ability and the game time experience being gained by Coffman and Sudfeld will level the field for all three. Also, aside from losing Matte our O line should be better with this year under their belt (experience and physical growth) so, the need for scrambling will hopefully not be as great as this year.

Given a choice the priority needs to be on defense. Faster, bigger, stronger and faster... oh yeah and better speed too.
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Posted: 11/14/2012 8:34 AM

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I prefer a pro style qb but to have success a running game is required to keep the defense honest.  If our ol gets bigger and better we may be able to run the ball with the rbs we have if not we may have to utilize Tre as a dual threat. I think Nate has pro potential but I also think Tre could be so difficult to defend that he would give us a better chance to win. If Cam plays like he did at Iowa every game out he could be the guy, next year is going to be interesting.

The perfect scenario for next year imo is Tre starting, Cam as the backup and Nate red shirting and recruit a good qb  for 2014.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:02 PM

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I don't mind a dual threat QB as long as he can throw the ball accurately.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:55 PM

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The more I think about it, the more I realize how much Coach Wilson needs to recruit a dual threat QB in this class. IU isn't at a point where we can start a pure, pro style QB because those kids just don't offer much in the way of scrambling and making plays with their feet. IF IU could develop a better rushing attack, then maybe a pro style QB would be more effective but not until that point.

With Tre getting injured this year and being knocked out for the entire season, I would think Wilson would be fairly urgent on bringing in a high caliber dual threat QB. I would hate to see Tre get injured next year and then we're in the same boat, playing kids who are complete opposites of Tre. I'd rather have a back up QB that is very close to what Tre brings to the table, meaning a kid who has the scrambling ability to make plays happen. I do like Coffman's footwork and escapability, he's closer to Tre in that regard than Sudfeld. Having said that, IU needs to recruit a big time dual threat with this class.

The 2013 season could possibly be a banner year for IU football, Wilson needs to make sure his bases are covered. Our schedule is friendly in the fact we have 8 home games..next year should be a huge year for our football program.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:59 PM

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They have a scholarship offer out to a dual threat QB, JUCO Nick Marshall, who is Antonio Marshall's cousin.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:18 PM

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bang63 wrote: I prefer a pro style qb but to have success a running game is required to keep the defense honest.  If our ol gets bigger and better we may be able to run the ball with the rbs we have if not we may have to utilize Tre as a dual threat. I think Nate has pro potential but I also think Tre could be so difficult to defend that he would give us a better chance to win. If Cam plays like he did at Iowa every game out he could be the guy, next year is going to be interesting.

The perfect scenario for next year imo is Tre starting, Cam as the backup and Nate red shirting and recruit a good qb  for 2014.
I like that approach if Tre comes back healthy.  We still have the walk-on from Catherdral for the 3-deep spot and Nate doesn't burn up a second year playing second fiddle.  Nate may be the best of any of them, but I would rather have him start a full three years and use Tre while we have him.  My only concern is that Sudfeld gets impatient and begins California dreaming.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:15 PM

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They had targeted a South Carolina kid by the name of Michael Julian early on, and I thought he would commit, but somethign happened and he fell off of IU's radar.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:58 AM

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This year illustrates the problem you can develop on offense when you rely on a dual threat quarterback and you don't have a backup with the same skills.

Going into this year, Roberson was counted on to be a significant part of the running game.  When he went down, we are left with two quarterbacks who don't have the same running skills, and an offensive line that can't blow a good defense off the line of scrimmage in a traditional running game.  As a result, the running game has suffered as you have had to adjust your offense to the skill sets of your two backups.

A dual threat can work, but if you don't have an offensive line that can power run block, there can be problems.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:09 AM

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crossblock wrote: This year illustrates the problem you can develop on offense when you rely on a dual threat quarterback and you don't have a backup with the same skills.

Going into this year, Roberson was counted on to be a significant part of the running game.  When he went down, we are left with two quarterbacks who don't have the same running skills, and an offensive line that can't blow a good defense off the line of scrimmage in a traditional running game.  As a result, the running game has suffered as you have had to adjust your offense to the skill sets of your two backups.

A dual threat can work, but if you don't have an offensive line that can power run block, there can be problems.

Well there's a lot to digest in your post. For starters, exactly what type of starting QB does Kevin Wilson want at IU? I follow IU football very closely and I don't remember him commenting on this. If he desires a dual threat QB then he better get on the ball and start recruiting that type of athlete.

In a perfect world, I would prefer IU to have a traditional, drop back, pro style QB. Coffman is a tweener and Sudfeld appears to be the real deal in fitting with the pro style mold. For IU to be successful using a pro style QB, their oline needs to block much better when running the ball. If you don't run block very well then I think it's safe to assume you need a dual threat QB as your starter.

Is Wilson committed to building an offensive line that can dominate and provide the run blocking it takes to start a traditional, pro style QB or is he committed to recruiting the dual threat types and go that route. What ever route Wilson chooses, he still has to upgrade his defense. Giving up freaky amounts of yardage to Wisconsin, PSU and Northwestern won't get the job done.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 5:18 PM

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This discussion illustrates the difficulty that Coach Wilson faces in bringing IU to prominence in football. The blueblood programs around the country and in the B1G, like tOSU, Michigan, Nebraska, and Penn State, are able to recruit two and three deep with talented kids who have grown up wanting to wear that team's uniform. Indiana at this point can offer playing time to a good recruit and get his attention--but there is not a long list of quality players who will be willing to sit the bench and wait their turn.

When an injury occurs to a front-line player, we then often see a significant drop-off in the talent level at that position, while the next man up at the storied programs is often as good as the starter.

It will take time, some great recruiting, and some signature wins to show that Indiana is a cool place to be for football. A signature win on Saturday would be another step in the right direction.
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