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Video Of North St. Louis Shooting Tells A Different Story

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Posted: 8/21/2014 7:19 AM

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On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Last edited 8/21/2014 7:43 AM by valcom2

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Posted: 8/21/2014 8:20 AM

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Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? There was no way to tell that on the video. Why do you claim there is no knife? The second video is the exact same video as the first. How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.
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Last edited 8/21/2014 8:21 AM by grimmcard23

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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:31 AM

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Let's just say that when you have deadly weapon in your hand and the police tell you to drop it - but instead you decide to start moving towards them with weapon still in hand - EXPECT TO DIE.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:32 AM

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LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.

Last edited 8/21/2014 9:33 AM by senore2006

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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:51 AM

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valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 9:54 AM

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The 3 parts of the officers report that are clearly lies:

Guy was clearly further away than 3 ft

Did not have his hand above his head 

Did not have a knife visible.

They killed this guy within seconds of arriving on the scene.  No effort to defuse the situation.  No thought to tase the guy.  Maybe the guy had somehow accomplished upper levels of Jedi training and they just complied to his commands?
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? There was no way to tell that on the video. Why do you claim there is no knife? The second video is the exact same video as the first. How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:02 AM

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senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]

Last edited 8/21/2014 10:29 AM by TeddyBridge5

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:15 AM

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You and val got it all figured out from that terrible cell phone video.  A cell video that DOES NOT clearly show anything.  It doesn't clearly show distances or angles given the cops or Powell's perspective.  It doesn't clearly show whether a knife WAS OR WAS NOT PRESENT.  I don't recall a part of the report being "arm above head".  It says he held it up in an OVERHAND grip, not overhead.

The video isn't even shot in the right aspect ratio.  The stretched vertical video alters perception of what is recorded.  If you used the same phone and held it correctly and shot it in widescreen, you get a much different perception of the same video.  Why haven't people figured this out yet?  I don't get it.  TURN YOUR GD PHONE SIDEWAYS INTO A WIDESCREEN RATIO!!!!!!!!

Lastly, and I already mentioned it.  But, the St Louis Police Department are the ones that released this video.  If it is so clearly damning as you are claiming.... WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE IT?  Aren't you guys crying foul and cover up in the Brown shooting?

I won't argue the fact that another level of force could have been used.  IE, a taser.  But, you guys cry when a taser is used and it kills people too. 
Finishline wrote: The 3 parts of the officers report that are clearly lies:

Guy was clearly further away than 3 ft

Did not have his hand above his head 

Did not have a knife visible.

They killed this guy within seconds of arriving on the scene.  No effort to defuse the situation.  No thought to tase the guy.  Maybe the guy had somehow accomplished upper levels of Jedi training and they just complied to his commands?
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? There was no way to tell that on the video. Why do you claim there is no knife? The second video is the exact same video as the first. How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.
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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:24 AM

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grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?

Last edited 8/21/2014 10:26 AM by valcom2

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:32 AM

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blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
Yes, they are.  My friend is a Louisville police officer with 30 years service.  Why don't you tell him he's full of it.
Maybe he'll shoot you since you went for his gun.  tongue

I checked th elinks, they are fine.  On the second video go to full screen mode.  It is MUCH easier to see than the tiny screen of the first video.  On the first video you need to see the scene BEFORE the cops arrive and pay attention to their attitude AFTER the shooting.  This is the difference.  The second video is what was officially released.  The FIRST video is the entire scene--not edited by teh St Louis Police.  To th epolice' credit, they DID release the video even though it shows the official statement is embarrassingly incorrect.

Please point out what the man did to deserve being shot within seconds of arrival  And why were guns drawn immediately on exiting the car?  There was no reason whatsover to have guns out.

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:33 AM

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valcom2 wrote:
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?
Val - are you saying that the Louisville Police are taught by their superiors that if they are involved in use of deadly force - they are formally taught by their superiors to lie and say that a struggle occured even if it did not? 

wow that is some secret they are keeping --you would think some cop that has been kicked off the force might blow the whistle on that one--- the press would have field day.  They have an official course on planting guns too?

Last edited 8/21/2014 10:47 AM by TeddyBridge5

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Posted: 8/21/2014 10:40 AM

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Teddy it's the same type of advice we have all heard.  If you shoot somebody on your property, drag them into your house.

I just don't see how anybody can justify this guy being shot within seconds of the cops getting on the scene.  But then neither of these guys had a lot of experience.
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?
Val - are you saying that the Louisville Police are taught by their superiors that if they are involved in use of deadly force - they are formally taught by their superiors to lie and say that a struggle occured even if it did not? 

How that is some secret they are keeping --you would think some cop that has been kicked off the force might blow the whistle on that one--- the press would have field day.
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valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
Yes, they are.  My friend is a Louisville police officer with 30 years service.  Why don't you tell him he's full of it.
Maybe he'll shoot you since you went for his gun.  tongue

I checked th elinks, they are fine.  On the second video go to full screen mode.  It is MUCH easier to see than the tiny screen of the first video.  On the first video you need to see the scene BEFORE the cops arrive and pay attention to their attitude AFTER the shooting.  This is the difference.  The second video is what was officially released.  The FIRST video is the entire scene--not edited by teh St Louis Police.  To th epolice' credit, they DID release the video even though it shows the official statement is embarrassingly incorrect.

Please point out what the man did to deserve being shot within seconds of arrival  And why were guns drawn immediately on exiting the car?  There was no reason whatsover to have guns out.
Ask your friend with 30 years of service - when cops receive any call that a suspect has a deadly weapon they are going to arrive with guns drawn - they take that stuff seriously. Their Job 1 is to go home alive as it should be.
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I am not arguing about whether or not the shooting was justified.  I am saying that once again... you don't know bupkis about the actual facts.  And to act like you do over these bad videos is funny.  Especially given that you can't get your own representation of the facts correct.  For instance, you keep saying the report says he held the knife over his head.  It doesn't say that... it says "OVERHAND GRIP" on the knife.  They aren't the same thing.  Not even close. 

And once again.  They do not teach Louisville police what you claim they teach.  It just doesn't happen. 

Grissom?  LOL.  He's this guy.  I am sure they miss you at Las Vegas CSI division.

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valcom2 wrote:
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?
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TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]
LOL, did you just find this recently?

"Suicide by cop" is real, you bet. But it usually involves provoking them severely. Enough - at least in the past - to avoid getting Tazed or pepper sprayed.

How ludicrous.
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senore2006 wrote:
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]
LOL, did you just find this recently?

"Suicide by cop" is real, you bet. But it usually involves provoking them severely. Enough - at least in the past - to avoid getting Tazed or pepper sprayed.

How ludicrous.
Nope for as long as I have been alive (50+ years) if you move toward the police with weapon in hand and ignore orders to drop it - you die.
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Sure, Teddy.

You bet. Tell you what..........there are excellent cops all over America moaning at how stupid and counter-productive to the rule of law these bimbos were.

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You cant argue with BLIND police supporters. Its like trying to argue with republicans. NOTHING the cops do is EVER wrong. NOTHING. 

They never lie, plant guns or drugs on suspects, fabricate evidence, use ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS. NEVER

Its easier to shoot this OBVIOUSLY deranged man, than to apprehend him-knife or no knife. 



Personally I wouldn't have shot or tazed him. Officers are taught to apprehend WITHOUT using a weapon. 

If they dont want to use their weapon, then dont use your weapon. 

The reason I dont believe there are "good cops" is because of the "blue wall"
You cant arrest someone when your partner is breaking laws he's sworn to uphold. Its not labeling, but utterly ridiculous that officers can operate with impunity.  

Yes we need the police, but police who follow the law themselves.
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TeddyBridge5 wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?
Val - are you saying that the Louisville Police are taught by their superiors that if they are involved in use of deadly force - they are formally taught by their superiors to lie and say that a struggle occured even if it did not? 

wow that is some secret they are keeping --you would think some cop that has been kicked off the force might blow the whistle on that one--- the press would have field day.  They have an official course on planting guns too?
To be absolutely PRECISE, I am saying an unimpeachable source was advised along with a room full of other rookie cops that if you shoot and it is because someone was attacking and you feared that they were going for your gun, that is allowed.  It is no different than the classes they have in states with the "stand your ground" laws that explain what the circumstances are that would prevent you from being charged with a homicide if you shoot.  Do they advise you to lie?  No.  They explain what situation would keep you from getting in trouble.  A very small difference, don't you think?  I mean a wink here and a nod there and now you are advising on how to commit a crime and dodge consequences.  But according to grimmcard, that would NEVER happen.  Bullcrap!!!

And yes, every cop I know (not that many) has a small spare unregistered gun readily available just in case.  You know, "I saw him pull a gun. . .", etc.  If I were a cop I would as well.

Now that we are done with all the misdirection, what did the guy in the video do that required gunshots?  Please answer that, all you who are so upset that anyone would criticize the police.

In the second video, 20 seconds in, the officer demonstrates an "overhand grip" and raises his hand to shoulder level.  That NEVER occured in the video.  He says the man had is hand on his waistband.  He did NOT.  Both hands are clearly at his side, both hands appear to be completley empty.  There is no statement that the knife was recovered.  There was no knife.  He states theman approached the officer who was "seated in the passenger seat".  The officer is clearly out of the car with gun drawn.  BOTH of them had guns out and ready the moment they got out of the car.  The man initially walked away then when he turned and took 1 step toward the officers, maybe 10 feet or so away, they gunned him down, continuiing to fire after he was on the ground.  If you watch the first video, you see them handcuff the guy several minutes after he is already dead.  MY PERSONAL OPINION he was imitating the the Brown shooting, getting results I bet he didn't expect.  It was earth shakingly STUPID, ok?  But there was NO JUSTIFICATION at all for the shooting.

I posted this to show the distinct difference between official statements and reality.  I think the difference is very obvious here.  You can't lie against video.  Again, kudos to the St Louis police for not trying to bury embarassing evidence, even though they only provided a very small portion of it.  But it clearly demonstrates that the "Official" record does NOT necessarily reflect actual events.
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valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
Yes, they are.  My friend is a Louisville police officer with 30 years service.  Why don't you tell him he's full of it.
Maybe he'll shoot you since you went for his gun.  tongue

I checked th elinks, they are fine.  On the second video go to full screen mode.  It is MUCH easier to see than the tiny screen of the first video.  On the first video you need to see the scene BEFORE the cops arrive and pay attention to their attitude AFTER the shooting.  This is the difference.  The second video is what was officially released.  The FIRST video is the entire scene--not edited by teh St Louis Police.  To th epolice' credit, they DID release the video even though it shows the official statement is embarrassingly incorrect.

Please point out what the man did to deserve being shot within seconds of arrival  And why were guns drawn immediately on exiting the car?  There was no reason whatsover to have guns out.

How im I supposed to ask some imaginary friend? biggrin
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TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote:
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]
LOL, did you just find this recently?

"Suicide by cop" is real, you bet. But it usually involves provoking them severely. Enough - at least in the past - to avoid getting Tazed or pepper sprayed.

How ludicrous.
Nope for as long as I have been alive (50+ years) if you move toward the police with weapon in hand and ignore orders to drop it - you die.
No weapon has been reported recovered.  There is no weapon in the video.  If what you said occurred, then I agree, you are asking to be shot.  I don't see that in this video.  Between teh two of them teh cops had maybe 5 years experience.  Why are these two paired together?  Is that not just totally stupid to begin with?  You pair a rookie with an experienced cop, not two rookies..  They were both probably shitting their pants wishing they had driven a little slower.
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blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
Yes, they are.  My friend is a Louisville police officer with 30 years service.  Why don't you tell him he's full of it.
Maybe he'll shoot you since you went for his gun.  tongue

I checked th elinks, they are fine.  On the second video go to full screen mode.  It is MUCH easier to see than the tiny screen of the first video.  On the first video you need to see the scene BEFORE the cops arrive and pay attention to their attitude AFTER the shooting.  This is the difference.  The second video is what was officially released.  The FIRST video is the entire scene--not edited by teh St Louis Police.  To th epolice' credit, they DID release the video even though it shows the official statement is embarrassingly incorrect.

Please point out what the man did to deserve being shot within seconds of arrival  And why were guns drawn immediately on exiting the car?  There was no reason whatsover to have guns out.

How im I supposed to ask some imaginary friend? biggrin
So I live next door to a non-person?  I would be pissed off at that statement if it wasn't so ignorant.  You obviuously have your mind made up regardless of facts.  Must be a conservative Republican.  Who needs truth when you can just make s h i t up to suit what you want to believe?  When you are ready to talk facts, I'll pay attention to you.  I have no intention of furthering your delusions.
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valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

On Tuesday, another young black man was shot dead by police just a couple of miles away from Ferguson, but the press on the scene were assured the circumstances were very different.

Here is the official account released to the press yesterday:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

According to Dotson, Powell walked toward the officer still sitting in the patrol car, and when he moved between three and four feet from the vehicle holding the knife, both officers fired their weapons, striking him. The officers are identified as a 25-year-old man with 3.2 years of service and a 31-year-old man with 2.6 years of service.

The video is shocking and graphic. Be forewarned. If you don't want to watch it, here are my impressions:

I did see Powell walk toward the officers. I didn't hear them tell him to stop or turn around, though. Powell approaches, they shoot. And they shoot a lot of bullets. It all happens very, very fast. I also didn't see anything in his hands, nor did he bring them up in a threatening way. I don't see where they found it necessary to shoot him.

Powell's parents contend that he was mentally ill, but not violent.

Was deadly force the only option in that situation? Why no taser?

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/video-north-st-louis-shooting-tells

From my viewpoint, the officers (BOTH of them)  are out of the car with guns drawn before the guy says anything.  This guy stole two sodas and is making no effort to run away.  He is obviously mentally disturbed.  The cops were ready and willing to pull the trigger with next to no provocation at all.  It is interesting how the official account puts the officers at risk while the video shows the police as being in no jeapordy at all.  There was no reason whatsoever to start shooting.  But the cavalier attitude of the by-standers is equally disturbing.

EDIT:  A shorter but clearer version of the video is here, starting with the police chief giving the official story.  The "official" story and the video do NOT agree.  In fact, they are still shooting as the guy is laying on the ground.  There is no knife.  What's the deal with St Louis cops?  I have a friend who is a Louisville police officer.  He tells me that they are told, if they fire their weapon, they are to claim they were attacked and if it was close quarters, that they are to say the victim went for thier gun.  Regardless of what actually happened.  It supposedly is "for their own protection".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-shooting_n_5696546.html

Your friend is fulla  bullchit they are not told that.
Yes, they are.  My friend is a Louisville police officer with 30 years service.  Why don't you tell him he's full of it.
Maybe he'll shoot you since you went for his gun.  tongue

I checked th elinks, they are fine.  On the second video go to full screen mode.  It is MUCH easier to see than the tiny screen of the first video.  On the first video you need to see the scene BEFORE the cops arrive and pay attention to their attitude AFTER the shooting.  This is the difference.  The second video is what was officially released.  The FIRST video is the entire scene--not edited by teh St Louis Police.  To th epolice' credit, they DID release the video even though it shows the official statement is embarrassingly incorrect.

Please point out what the man did to deserve being shot within seconds of arrival  And why were guns drawn immediately on exiting the car?  There was no reason whatsover to have guns out.

How im I supposed to ask some imaginary friend? biggrin
So I live next door to a non-person?  I would be pissed off at that statement if it wasn't so ignorant.  You obviuously have your mind made up regardless of facts.  Must be a conservative Republican.  Who needs truth when you can just make s h i t up to suit what you want to believe?  When you are ready to talk facts, I'll pay attention to you.  I have no intention of furthering your delusions.
You have no facts supporting your so called friend told you that police officers are told that by there superiors.

Me making chit up...........lol your the one with a imaginary friend who lives next door to you.

If he does live next door whats stopping you from presenting this so called police officer to the forum and letting him conform what he said........................now that would be presenting a fact and not some he said you heard bullcrap story.eek1
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valcom2 wrote:
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
grimmcard23 wrote: Did you know that the St Louis Police Department released this cell phone video to the public?

Duh.  Pretty damn obvious considering the intro on the second video and the text of the article

I am not saying they had to shoot. But, I have a few questions for you Grissom. Who the **** is Grissom?  Why do you say he is obviously mentally disturbed? Did you watch the entire first video?  Dude steals two sodas, places them on the sidewalk and then is telling people not to touch them.  Is talking in a rambling manner and several of those standing by are saying he is mental.  Other than that, I just pulled it out my ***.  There was no way to tell that on the video. Not if you have half a brain.  Why do you claim there is no knife?  Do you see a knife? Do you see the guys hand go over his head?  It doesn't.  The second video is the exact same video as the first. No, it is not, unless I screwed up the link.  The first has the scene from way before the police even get there.  The second has the police cheif making his statement but then picks up when the cops arrive.  It is larger, you can blow it up to full screen instead of postage stamp sized and you can clearly see the cops and no knife.  How is it clearer? Answer, it isn't.  Yes, it definitely is.

Your claim that, Louisville police officers (if they shoot) are told to claim they were attacked close quarters and the victim went for their gun is patently false. Then explain why a Louisville police officer told me that.  How would you know different?  Maybe your friend was told that by another cop, but they are not "taught" to do that.  It was just explained to them in a training session conducted by a superior officer, to a room full of young cops.  But that is not "trained"?  Sorry, you are dead wrong on this one.

Lastly, when will people realize you don't hold your phone vertically to take video any more?  Almost all cell phones are wide screen video format.  Hold your damn phone sideways.  How have people not figured this out yet?  Since I didn't take the video I can't answer your question  why are you in such an agitated state of denial?

CSI misses your expertise, Grissom.  Who the **** is grissom?
Val - are you saying that the Louisville Police are taught by their superiors that if they are involved in use of deadly force - they are formally taught by their superiors to lie and say that a struggle occured even if it did not? 

wow that is some secret they are keeping --you would think some cop that has been kicked off the force might blow the whistle on that one--- the press would have field day.  They have an official course on planting guns too?
To be absolutely PRECISE, I am saying an unimpeachable source was advised along with a room full of other rookie cops that if you shoot and it is because someone was attacking and you feared that they were going for your gun, that is allowed.  It is no different than the classes they have in states with the "stand your ground" laws that explain what the circumstances are that would prevent you from being charged with a homicide if you shoot.  Do they advise you to lie?  No.  They explain what situation would keep you from getting in trouble.  A very small difference, don't you think?  I mean a wink here and a nod there and now you are advising on how to commit a crime and dodge consequences.  But according to grimmcard, that would NEVER happen.  Bullcrap!!!

And yes, every cop I know (not that many) has a small spare unregistered gun readily available just in case.  You know, "I saw him pull a gun. . .", etc.  If I were a cop I would as well.

Now that we are done with all the misdirection, what did the guy in the video do that required gunshots?  Please answer that, all you who are so upset that anyone would criticize the police.

In the second video, 20 seconds in, the officer demonstrates an "overhand grip" and raises his hand to shoulder level.  That NEVER occured in the video.  He says the man had is hand on his waistband.  He did NOT.  Both hands are clearly at his side, both hands appear to be completley empty.  There is no statement that the knife was recovered.  There was no knife.  He states theman approached the officer who was "seated in the passenger seat".  The officer is clearly out of the car with gun drawn.  BOTH of them had guns out and ready the moment they got out of the car.  The man initially walked away then when he turned and took 1 step toward the officers, maybe 10 feet or so away, they gunned him down, continuiing to fire after he was on the ground.  If you watch the first video, you see them handcuff the guy several minutes after he is already dead.  MY PERSONAL OPINION he was imitating the the Brown shooting, getting results I bet he didn't expect.  It was earth shakingly STUPID, ok?  But there was NO JUSTIFICATION at all for the shooting.

I posted this to show the distinct difference between official statements and reality.  I think the difference is very obvious here.  You can't lie against video.  Again, kudos to the St Louis police for not trying to bury embarassing evidence, even though they only provided a very small portion of it.  But it clearly demonstrates that the "Official" record does NOT necessarily reflect actual events.
Yea right and these  Police officers tell you this.....don't you think they would rather keep it hush hush instead of bragging about it to you?   dude you watch to many movies.eek1
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valcom2 wrote:
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote:
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]
LOL, did you just find this recently?

"Suicide by cop" is real, you bet. But it usually involves provoking them severely. Enough - at least in the past - to avoid getting Tazed or pepper sprayed.

How ludicrous.
Nope for as long as I have been alive (50+ years) if you move toward the police with weapon in hand and ignore orders to drop it - you die.
No weapon has been reported recovered.  There is no weapon in the video.  If what you said occurred, then I agree, you are asking to be shot.  I don't see that in this video.  Between teh two of them teh cops had maybe 5 years experience.  Why are these two paired together?  Is that not just totally stupid to begin with?  You pair a rookie with an experienced cop, not two rookies..  They were both probably shitting their pants wishing they had driven a little slower.
Val this is from your very own link:

When police arrived, they said Powell walked toward them clutching his waistband. They say he then pulled out a knife and held it up in what Dotson described as an "overhand grip."

The officers, who were still in the patrol vehicle, say Powell yelled, "Shoot me now, kill me now." The police officers yelled at Powell to drop the knife, but Dotson says Powell did not respond to verbal commands. Witnesses say they heard police giving verbal commands to Powell to drop the knife.

Dotson says one officer got out of the patrol car, and when Powell displayed his knife, the officers drew their weapons.

The knife was recovered at the scene.

When Dotson was asked if he believes the shooting was justified, he said his officers "have the right to go home at night" and that every officer has the right to defend themselves and the community.



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KerryRhodes wrote: You cant argue with BLIND police supporters. Its like trying to argue with republicans. NOTHING the cops do is EVER wrong. NOTHING. 

They never lie, plant guns or drugs on suspects, fabricate evidence, use ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS. NEVER

Its easier to shoot this OBVIOUSLY deranged man, than to apprehend him-knife or no knife. 



Personally I wouldn't have shot or tazed him. Officers are taught to apprehend WITHOUT using a weapon. 

If they dont want to use their weapon, then dont use your weapon. 

The reason I dont believe there are "good cops" is because of the "blue wall"
You cant arrest someone when your partner is breaking laws he's sworn to uphold. Its not labeling, but utterly ridiculous that officers can operate with impunity.  

Yes we need the police, but police who follow the law themselves.
It is strange how more and more facts that come out the more abstract and esoteric your post's get.

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I agree.  He got exactly what he asked for.  I don't see what the problem is.

Shoot me!  Shoot me! Shoot me!  Shoot me!  Shoot me now, *************!

If I'm a cop and someone is coming toward me shouting this, I'm thinking the dude is on drugs and I'd be very worried about what he might do.  This punk got exactly what he asked for and what he deserved.
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]



THEY WILL RESPECT THE D!


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JtownCard wrote: I agree.  He got exactly what he asked for.  I don't see what the problem is.

Shoot me!  Shoot me! Shoot me!  Shoot me!  Shoot me now, *************!

If I'm a cop and someone is coming toward me shouting this, I'm thinking the dude is on drugs and I'd be very worried about what he might do.  This punk got exactly what he asked for and what he deserved.
TeddyBridge5 wrote:
senore2006 wrote: LOL, wow.

Hostility to the victim in a point blank murder.

I guess we've reached that point where we just ran up our own butts.
Nope- I would classify it as a suicide.

Suicide by cop is a suicide method in which a suicidal individual deliberately acts in a threatening way, provoking a lethal response from a law enforcement officer or other legitimately armed individual, such as being shot to death.[1]
Punk ? 

He was a man who neeeded help, not a bullet (s)

He had just as much right to go to a mental hospital, as the officers did to go home. It might happen to your family member one day ( hope not), then maybe you wont be so callous towards  human life.
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You have an amazing level of proof for an internet message board...

Following that logic, I refused to believe that reindeer are capable of rational thought....
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
blitzenthereindeer wrote:
valcom2 wrote:

 

You have no facts supporting your so called friend told you that police officers are told that by there superiors.

Me making chit up...........lol your the one with a imaginary friend who lives next door to you.

If he does live next door whats stopping you from presenting this so called police officer to the forum and letting him conform what he said........................now that would be presenting a fact and not some he said you heard bullcrap story.eek1
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Teddybridge5 wrote:
KerryRhodes wrote: You cant argue with BLIND police supporters. Its like trying to argue with republicans. NOTHING the cops do is EVER wrong. NOTHING. 

They never lie, plant guns or drugs on suspects, fabricate evidence, use ILLEGAL CHOKEHOLDS. NEVER

Its easier to shoot this OBVIOUSLY deranged man, than to apprehend him-knife or no knife. 



Personally I wouldn't have shot or tazed him. Officers are taught to apprehenshoresd WITHOUT using a weapon. 

If they dont want to use their weapon, then dont use your weapon. 

The reason I dont believe there are "good cops" is because of the "blue wall"
You cant arrest someone when your partner is breaking laws he's sworn to uphold. Its not labeling, but utterly ridiculous that officers can operate with impunity.  

Yes we need the police, but police who follow the law themselves.
It is strange how more and more facts that come out the more abstract and esoteric your post's get.

Facts interpreted by you and the trigger happy gestapo. 

It will backfire on them one day, because they refused to hold themselves to a higher standard. 

If the situation was reversed, you wouldnt have such an attitude. 

Fact 80% of Blacks believe brown was executed. 37% of Whites dont. 

Arent we all Americans ? Why the racial divide on the poll ? 

Has some guts and go to Police state USA site. If that doesnt convince you, then nothing will. 

Americans will wake up and defend themselves against cops who display abuse, misconduct, corruption, and blatant disregard for the Laws theyve SWORN to uphold.
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