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Eyewitness To Michael Brown Shooting Contradicts Cops' Story

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Posted: 8/13/2014 12:28 PM

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The sole eyewitness to Mike Brown's shooting gave MSNBC an exclusive interview Monday, describing his recollection of what happened the day Brown was shot. Among other things, he tells a story that isn't even close to what happened. I don't know how accurate it is, but I'm betting his account of who instigated it comes close.

I'm most disturbed by two things. First, this witness has not been interviewed by police at all. And second, they have still not released the name of the policeman who shot Brown. That leaves them plenty of time to sanitize and bury things he might have posted on social media or other writings that might give people an idea of whether he was racially motivated. They're protecting him while not investigating thoroughly, and that should give everyone cause for concern.

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.

“I could see the muscles in his forearm,” Johnson said. “Mike was trying to get away from being choked.”

“They’re not wrestling so much as his arm went from his throat to now clenched on his shirt,” Johnson explained of the scene between Brown and the officer. “It’s like tug of war. He’s trying to pull him in. He’s pulling away, that’s when I heard, ‘I’m gonna shoot you.’”

At that moment, Johnson says he fixed his gaze on the officer to see if he was pulling a stun gun or a real gun. That’s when he saw the muzzle of the officer’s gun.

“I seen the barrel of the gun pointed at my friend,” he said. “He had it pointed at him and said ‘I’ll shoot,’ one more time.”

A second later Johnson said he heard the first shot go off.

“I seen the fire come out of the barrell,” he said. “I could see so vividly what was going on because I was so close.”

Johnson says he was within arm’s reach of both Brown and the officer. He looked over at Brown and saw blood pooling through his shirt on the right side of the body.

“The whole time [the officer] was holding my friend until the gun went off,” Johnson noted.

Brown and Johnson took off running together. There were three cars lined up along the side of the street. Johnson says he ducked behind the first car, whose two passengers were screaming. Crouching down a bit, he watched Brown run past.

“Keep running, bro!,” he said Brown yelled. Then Brown yelled it a second time. Those would be the last words Johnson’s friend, “Big Mike,” would ever say to him.

Brown made it past the third car. Then, “blam!” the officer took his second shot, striking Brown in the back. At that point, Johnson says Brown stopped, turned with his hands up and said “I don’t have a gun, stop shooting!”

By that point, Johnson says the officer and Brown were face-to-face. The officer then fired several more shots. Johnson described watching Brown go from standing with his hands up to crumbling to the ground and curling into a fetal position.
“After seeing my friend get gunned down, my body just ran,” he said. He ran to his apartment nearby. Out of breath, shocked and afraid, Johnson says he went into the bathroom and vomited. Then he checked to make sure that he hadn’t also been shot.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014...-brown-shooting

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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:18 PM

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"But. . . but. . . but. . . Barry!!!"

/s/Teddy
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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:21 PM

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Oh look, something involving race and a shooting death. This should be fun.

*pops popcorn*
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Posted: 8/13/2014 1:45 PM

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Remember when cops would command people to drop their weapons? Does that even happen anymore? Or is it just shoot first, ask no questions later?

And I know this kid had no weapon, but it appears that made no difference. The cops protect and serve themselves it would seem. Certainly not us.

How much you want to bet this cop, who still remains nameless, gets a slap on the wrist? If that?

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Posted: 8/13/2014 2:18 PM

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Just last month two police officers were killed by "youngsters" in Indiana.
They were on the job in areas similar to Ferguson.
I don't think these killings made national news.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:01 PM

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Let's all go burn down a Quik Trip!
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:21 PM

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When things like this happen, I understand the outrage and anger and wanting things to change. No problem with any of that. Rioting against police, while it probably won't help anything, I can at least understand directing your anger at the source of your frustration.

But I can't for the life of me find the rationale in tearing up all of your own stuff. Looting stores in your neighborhood, trashing your streets, burning stuff - what does any of that solve? Maybe I just don't understand, I dunno.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:21 PM

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This seems pretty serious, and apparently the police dept is doubling down by assaultig protestors, now.  I think the conservatives are getting their wish of going back to the 1950s, at least as far as race relations.  We are hating blacks, some whites, immigrants, and pretty much anyone of color and the southern states are throwing up roadblocks to voter registration.

I don't see things getting better.........
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:40 PM

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SMGDH.  Seriously, you need a break.  You're animus for all things right leaning are clouding your ability to have even a pinch of rationality.
valcom2 wrote: This seems pretty serious, and apparently the police dept is doubling down by assaultig protestors, now.  I think the conservatives are getting their wish of going back to the 1950s, at least as far as race relations.  We are hating blacks, some whites, immigrants, and pretty much anyone of color and the southern states are throwing up roadblocks to voter registration.

I don't see things getting better.........
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:41 PM

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valcom2 wrote: This seems pretty serious, and apparently the police dept is doubling down by assaultig protestors, now.  I think the conservatives are getting their wish of going back to the 1950s, at least as far as race relations.  We are hating blacks, some whites, immigrants, and pretty much anyone of color and the southern states are throwing up roadblocks to voter registration.

I don't see things getting better.........
Yea, one of your more ignorant posts, Val.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:55 PM

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What if Val is being honest? 

Is someone trying to claim real modernity on the part of the Right? LOL, that won't wash in any galaxy.

Are cops harder on black people?

Ask this:  Do you think black people could walk, heeled, through white hoods, taunting them?

Or are you saying racists don't influence the Republican party?

I'm interested now, myself.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 4:08 PM

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Never let a crisis go to waste. rolleyes
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Posted: 8/13/2014 4:13 PM

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roadshow13 wrote: Never let a crisis go to waste. rolleyes
Disaster Capitalism.

It's the American Way.

"The Shock Doctrine is the gripping story of how America’s “free market” policies have come to dominate the world-- through the exploitation of disaster-shocked people and countries."

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Posted: 8/13/2014 4:14 PM

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imapirate wrote: But I can't for the life of me find the rationale in tearing up all of your own stuff. Looting stores in your neighborhood, trashing your streets, burning stuff - what does any of that solve? Maybe I just don't understand, I dunno.

Maybe they weren't tearing up their own stuff.

The mayor of Ferguson says that many of the people who smashed, looted and burned were out-of-towners.

"A lot of the people aren’t even from our town; but they came in and stole from our businesses and left our town in ruins, and made it look like there are racial tensions here that simply aren’t what they made them out to be.

http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/mis...out-of-towners/

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Posted: 8/14/2014 12:28 AM

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TedVader wrote:
valcom2 wrote: This seems pretty serious, and apparently the police dept is doubling down by assaultig protestors, now.  I think the conservatives are getting their wish of going back to the 1950s, at least as far as race relations.  We are hating blacks, some whites, immigrants, and pretty much anyone of color and the southern states are throwing up roadblocks to voter registration.

I don't see things getting better.........
Yea, one of your more ignorant posts, Val.
I am simply pointing out a series of things that are happening across the south, that seem to have no explanation.  Please, point out what is causing all of this.  What is YOUR explanation?  If you are aware of these things and have no better explanation, then your inaction is a part of the problem.  What did this Brown kid do to deserve to be shot multiple times when he was unarmed and was simply walking down the street?

Have you ever had an encounter with a cop who just seemed to be looking for a reason to do something to you?  I have, more than once.  Have you ever been in that position and been black?  Not me.  It would be much worse.  So please explain all these incidents lately.  You seem all too willing to poo poo th events but provide no justification whatsoever.  Bring it.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 8:53 AM

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imapirate wrote: But I can't for the life of me find the rationale in tearing up all of your own stuff. Looting stores in your neighborhood, trashing your streets, burning stuff - what does any of that solve? Maybe I just don't understand, I dunno.

Maybe they weren't tearing up their own stuff.

The mayor of Ferguson says that many of the people who smashed, looted and burned were out-of-towners.

"A lot of the people aren’t even from our town; but they came in and stole from our businesses and left our town in ruins, and made it look like there are racial tensions here that simply aren’t what they made them out to be.

www.wnd.com/2014/08/mis...out-of-towners/


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Much like the "outside agitators" of the 1960s who destroyed the harmonious race relations in the south during that era.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 9:31 AM

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valcom2 wrote:
TedVader wrote:
 
I am simply pointing out a series of things that are happening across the south, that seem to have no explanation.  Please, point out what is causing all of this.  What is YOUR explanation?  If you are aware of these things and have no better explanation, then your inaction is a part of the problem.  What did this Brown kid do to deserve to be shot multiple times when he was unarmed and was simply walking down the street?

Have you ever had an encounter with a cop who just seemed to be looking for a reason to do something to you?  I have, more than once.  Have you ever been in that position and been black?  Not me.  It would be much worse.  So please explain all these incidents lately.  You seem all too willing to poo poo th events but provide no justification whatsoever.  Bring it.
LOL, oh Val. Such indigence. 

First off, it ain't just the south this is happening. 

What's causing this? Well it isn't your ridiculous claim of conservatives wanting to go back to the fifties. Like I said, that's pure ignorance. Is it bad cops? Systematic indoctrination by the upper echelons of the police force to keep the black man down? Is it a shared responsibility between these youth and their plight of poverty, bad homes, terrible educations? All of the above? No one knows, no one here, and certainly not you. 

Since you're aware of this, and are putting all your considerable effort to stop this epidemic of violence by typing angry on an internet forum, then buddy boy, you're as guilty as anyone else as allowing it to continue. A hard truth you best accept.

I think cops are becoming more and more militarized under the wonderful auspices of the Homeland Security Dept, and with these shiny new toys of death, the mentality of these cops grows more brutish. Instead of taking the route of communication, they now feel bullets speak better than they can. 

FYI, my first response to this thread :

"Remember when cops would command people to drop their weapons? Does that even happen anymore? Or is it just shoot first, ask no questions later? 

And I know this kid had no weapon, but it appears that made no difference. The cops protect and serve themselves it would seem. Certainly not us.

How much you want to bet this cop, who still remains nameless, gets a slap on the wrist? If that?

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:00 AM

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Truth is, outside of the personal observations, Ted is correct. The police are becoming an island paradise of ammosexuals.

The murderous stupidity of it all becomes a conundrum for open carry advocates and gun nuts. While their fantasies might stare for hours at the AK sitting up against the front wall, feeling all snug, the gun culture has allowed cops to become what they have become. Just because you don;t feel like a psychotic doesn;t mean you haven't enabled some fat idiot to be your dicktater.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:06 AM

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TedVader wrote:
valcom2 wrote:
TedVader wrote:
 
I am simply pointing out a series of things that are happening across the south, that seem to have no explanation.  Please, point out what is causing all of this.  What is YOUR explanation?  If you are aware of these things and have no better explanation, then your inaction is a part of the problem.  What did this Brown kid do to deserve to be shot multiple times when he was unarmed and was simply walking down the street?

Have you ever had an encounter with a cop who just seemed to be looking for a reason to do something to you?  I have, more than once.  Have you ever been in that position and been black?  Not me.  It would be much worse.  So please explain all these incidents lately.  You seem all too willing to poo poo th events but provide no justification whatsoever.  Bring it.
LOL, oh Val. Such indigence. 

First off, it ain't just the south this is happening. 

What's causing this? Well it isn't your ridiculous claim of conservatives wanting to go back to the fifties. Like I said, that's pure ignorance. Is it bad cops? Systematic indoctrination by the upper echelons of the police force to keep the black man down? Is it a shared responsibility between these youth and their plight of poverty, bad homes, terrible educations? All of the above? No one knows, no one here, and certainly not you. 

Since you're aware of this, and are putting all your considerable effort to stop this epidemic of violence by typing angry on an internet forum, then buddy boy, you're as guilty as anyone else as allowing it to continue. A hard truth you best accept.

I think cops are becoming more and more militarized under the wonderful auspices of the Homeland Security Dept, and with these shiny new toys of death, the mentality of these cops grows more brutish. Instead of taking the route of communication, they now feel bullets speak better than they can. 

FYI, my first response to this thread :

"Remember when cops would command people to drop their weapons? Does that even happen anymore? Or is it just shoot first, ask no questions later? 

And I know this kid had no weapon, but it appears that made no difference. The cops protect and serve themselves it would seem. Certainly not us.

How much you want to bet this cop, who still remains nameless, gets a slap on the wrist? If that?
Why so snarky in reply? 

in•di•gence (ˈɪn dɪ dʒəns) n.
seriously impoverished condition; poverty.
[1325–75; Middle English < Latin indigentia need. See indigent, -ence]

I don't know what exactly you were trying to say, but I don't think indigence was it.  And you see nothing systematic about filing suits to overhtrow the Civil Rights Act, pass voter registration laws that continuously get overturned in courts, make the statement that passing registration laws (that do nothing but obstruct black voters) is going to "guarantee a republican victory", and "stand your ground laws", which are nothing more than "free run to shoot people of color" laws? You see a run of unarmed blacks being shot while the shooter is set free and you don't see a pattern developing here?

I honestly know very little about this latest incident other than the police dept involved is looking more and more out of control and more and more like an arm of the KKK everyday.


  I am making an observation of a series of events over the last year or so that smells very much like racism to me.  I see armed conservatives gathering en masse to protect a tax cheat, gathering en masse to intimidate children at the border, and calls for impeachment of a black president for things that no one even blinked an eye at with a white one.

it is primarlily in the south, directed at non-whites, provides justification for murder for the crime of being non-white and while I appreciate that you spoke out against it, it is pretty much being ignored by the general population.  I have seen nothing to indicate it has anything to do with being poor, unless you are including poor judgement.

But, I do not have all the information. Maybe you could rebut my statement with facts and figures that explain why you think the protestors are incorrect instead of lashing out at my protest that something is not right here.  I am not angry. I have no idea where you got that other than out of thin air.  I am asking "WTF is going on here?"  I just lkove you  conservative mind readers that "know" what peoples "real intentions" are and what the "agenda" is when there is in fact NO AGENDA.
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I'm not sure what we want, and I'm serious about that. It's such a fine line, and we're just never going to walk it exactly right. Think about the issues we were having in Louisville in Waterfront Park earlier this year. The hue and cry from all over was "Where are the police?!?". OK, when the police ARE down there, how do we want them to deal with the black kids that were causing the problem? Aggressively? If so, that probably means they are going to end up targeting a number of kids who aren't doing a damned thing wrong. Hopefully it never escalates into a shooting like it did in this case, but the same issues are at play here.

We all want the police around when we need them. But we want them to do their jobs exactly right and never make a mistake even when they are put in very difficult situations.  I sure as hell don't want any kids to get shot when they don't deserve it (I won't go as far to call them innocent...but very likely not guilty of crimes that are supposed to carry a death sentence), but we need the police to be able to do their jobs, too.

I guess I'm glad that I'm neither young and black nor a police officer.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:18 AM

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Race probably has played a part in some of the cases, but this is happening in to many places (not just the south) and to too many different people (not just blacks) to just be blamed on racism. In Ferguson they have had snipers red dotting unarmed protesters. They are not doing that because the protesters are black, they were doing the same thing to protesters at the Bundy ranch.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:19 AM

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At the waterfront, the crowd was clearly breaking the law.  Police involvement is a given.  Why was there any reason for the police to take any action at all in this case?  from the first hand accounts, the confrontation was started by the police, a cop just looking to get into someone's face for something, anything.  I grant that the accounts may not be truthful or could be exaggereated, but shouldn't SOME crime of SOME SORT be committed before engaging the two walking in the street.  Is walking in the street a crime?
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Posted: 8/14/2014 10:22 AM

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Yes, walking in the street is a crime, though obviously not a particularly serious one.

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Posted: 8/14/2014 12:02 PM

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What I do know is that the continued silence from the PD in Ferguson is making them look very bad.

If the Cop was justified in shooting, they needed to get that story out front and center. 

If he was in the wrong, or suspected at being in the wrong, they need to get out there and say, "Look, we don't take this lightly, we've got a cop accused of acts which constitute murder and we are investigating it very seriously.  We won't have officers acting like this towards our citizens.  We won't stand for it, and if he's guilty, then God help him."
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Posted: 8/14/2014 12:27 PM

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I guess I'm one of these rare right wingers with first hand experience dealing with cops who lied through their teeth about what actually happened. So while I always hate to believe they do this, I know for a fact they do.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 1:03 PM

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GoCardz wrote: Yes, walking in the street is a crime, though obviously not a particularly serious one.
Then my neighborhood is full of criminals.  Everyone walks in the street.  Everyone.   What about joggers?  Are they all criminals too?  Can I go shoot a few of them and say I felt threatened?

I don't think we are talking a major thoroughfare here.  It was a neighborhood street.  And the cop had nothing better to do than cuss out someone for walking in the street and felt the need to choke and pull a gun for what?  Jaywalking?

Bullcrap!!

This cop was LOOKING for a reason to cause trouble.  Take him to the neighborhood, give everyone a brick and turn him loose.
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valcom2 wrote:
 
Then my neighborhood is full of criminals. 
That's quite possible.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 2:04 PM

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Hopefully somebody got this thing on a cellphone video or something. Otherwise we may never know what really happened. But a lot of people are picking sides without knowing what really happened.
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Posted: 8/14/2014 2:19 PM

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Ah, the good ol' days, when Americans were afforded their constitutionally-protected right to peaceably protest.
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