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Posted: 7/14/2014 4:46 PM

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It's spreading.

Conservatives are stuck in a perpetual outrage loop. The reappearance of Todd Akin, the horror-movie villain immortality of Sarah Palin, theunseemly celebration of the Hobby Lobby decision – these all speak to a chorus of "la-la-la-can't-hear-you" loud enough to drown out the voice of an entire generation. Late last week, the Reason Foundation released the results of a poll about that generation, the millennials; its signature finding was the confirmation of a mass abandonment of social conservatism and the GOP. This comes at a time when the conservative movement is increasingly synonymous with mean-spiritedprank-like andcombative activism and self-important grand gestures. The millennial generation has repeatedly defined itself as the most socially tolerant of the modern era, but one thing it really can't stand is drama.

Republicans were already destined for piecemeal decimation due to the declining numbers of their core constituency. But they don't just have a demographic problem anymore; they have stylistic one. The conservative strategy of outrage upon outrage upon outrage bumps up against the policy preferences and the attitudes of millennials in perfect discord.

We all can recognize the right's tendency to respond to backlash with more "lash" (Akin didn't disappear, he doubled down on "legitimate rape"), but it seems to have gained speed with the age of social media and candidate tracking. The Tea Party's resistance to the leavening effect of establishment mores and political professionals has been a particularly effective accelerant. Palin's ability to put anything on the internet without any intermediary has rendered her as reckless as any tween with a SnapChat account. Akin's whiny denouncement of Washington insiders is likely to make him more credible with a certain kind of base voter. The midterms are, as we speak, producing another round of Fox News celebrities, whether or not they win their races: the Eric Cantor-vanquishing David Brat, Mississippi's Chris McDaniel and the hog-castrating mini-Palin, Jodi Ernst of Iowa.

The fire-with-fire attitude of hardline conservatives has its roots in the petulant cultural defensiveness adopted by the GOP – especially the Christian right – during the culture wars of the 90s. Their siege mentality bred an attitude toward liberals that saw every instance of social liberalization as proof of their own apocalyptic predictions and conspiracy theories. Gay marriage will lead to acceptance of beastiality and pedophilia. "Socialized medicine" will lead to the euthanizing Grandma. Access to birth control will lead to orgies in the streets.

Then came Obama's election, the Zapruder tape for the right's tin-foil hat haberdashers – a moment in history that both explained and exacerbated America's supposed decline. Dinesh D'Souza, the Oliver Stone of the Tea Party, has now made two movies about the meaning of Obama's presidency. The first, 2016: Obama's America, garnered an astounding $33m at the box office, and his lawyers blamed disappointing returns from this summer's America on a Google conspiracy to confuse moviegoers about its showtimes. (Of course.)

The GOP has long staked a claim on The Disappearing Angry White Man, but they have apparently ever-narrowing odds of getting a bite at millennials, who appear to be more like The Somewhat Concerned Multicultural Moderate. This generation is racially diversepro-potpro-marriage equality and pro-online gambling. They are troubled by the deficit but believe in the social safety net: 74% of millennials, according to Reason, want the government to guarantee food and housing to all Americans. A Pew survey found that 59% of Americans under 30 say the government should do more to solve problems, while majorities in all other age groups thought it should do less.

There's more!!

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Posted: 7/14/2014 7:15 PM

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I used to feel an obligation to try to understand what republicans thought because they were fellow human beings deserving of respect and compassion.

After 6 years of listening to them complain about a president whose skin just happens to be black, who has been as criminal free as any presidential administration in my lifetime, I just flat effing don't give a crap what they think anymore.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:42 PM

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I feel the article is accurate, particularly depicting the stylistic nonsense of them.

Following their election failure of the last election, the word was they were going to reinvigorate themselves with rethinking their principles and offering new ideas.

Ha ha. Man, that sure did not happen. I also think they're making themselves into zombies. Their cruelty is one of their few remaining human attributes.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:31 PM

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Some of the "new thinking".

Judge rules Florida Legislature broke law while drawing up new districts for Congress

Associated Press            July 11, 2014 | 7:18 a.m. EDT         + More        

       

                            

By GARY FINEOUT, Associated Press

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — The Florida Legislature illegally drew the state's congressional districts to primarily benefit the Republican Party, a judge has ruled, and has ordered them redrawn.

Circuit Judge Terry Lewis said in a 41-page ruling Thursday that legislators relied on GOP political operatives who worked in secret to craft the final political maps adopted in 2012. In doing so Lewis rejected arguments from top legislative leaders that they had done nothing wrong during the process.

The ruling is not expected to disrupt this year's elections because the Legislature is expected to appeal the decision to the state Supreme Court. But ultimately the changes could affect the political careers of Florida's congressional delegation, which is currently dominated by Republicans.

The landmark decision comes in the first serious test of the "Fair Districts" amendments adopted by the state's voters in 2010. Those standards said legislators could no longer draw up districts to favor incumbents or a political party, a practice known as "gerrymandering."

"It's a pretty historic ruling," said David King, one of the attorneys who represented the coalition of groups that sued the Legislature. "It just doesn't work to say you are open and transparent. You actually have to do it."

A spokesman for House Speaker Will Weatherford said Thursday night that the House was reviewing the decision.

Lewis's ruling followed a 12-day trial earlier this year that centered on whether legislators used a "shadow" process to conceal the role of GOP consultants who helped draw up the maps. The groups pushing the lawsuit contended this process resulted in a handful of illegally-drawn congressional districts that were aimed at boosting Republicans overall.

The judge did not agree that all the districts cited by the groups were unconstitutional. But he found that two districts violated the new standards: a sprawling district held by U.S. Rep. Corinne Brown that runs from Jacksonville to Orlando and a central Florida district held by U.S. Rep. Dan Webster. Brown is a Democrat, while Webster is a Republican.

Lewis said the presence of two invalid districts rendered the entire congressional map invalid although he said that doesn't mean that every district must be redrawn. Lewis did not say in his ruling, however, whether the Legislature or the courts should be responsible for drawing the new districts.

Part of the evidence used by Lewis to make his decision was never presented publicly. It was kept secret because of legal challenges brought by one of the consultants involved. But Lewis said that evidence convinced him that the political operatives engaged in a "conspiracy to influence and manipulate the Legislature into a violation of its constitutional duty."

"They made a mockery of the Legislature's proclaimed transparent and open process of redistricting by doing all of this in the shadow of the process," Lewis stated in his ruling.

The evidence presented publicly included testimony that a top House aide shared maps with a Republican consultant before they were made public. Another map, which resembled one put together by a consultant, was submitted in the name of a college student who said under oath he had nothing to do with it.

Lewis also questioned why legislators deleted emails and documents related to redistricting even though they knew a lawsuit was likely.

"There was no legal duty on the part of the Legislature to preserve these records, but you have to wonder why they didn't," Lewis wrote.


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Posted: 7/14/2014 10:40 PM

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Arizona Republicans Propose Bill That Would Allow Them To Break Any Law

If Arizona Republicans are successful a new bill will give any Arizonan the right to break any law with impunity if it is in the name of religion.

The piece of legislation that passed out of the Arizona state senate committee this week, S.B. 1062, allows discrimination against gays for any reason if it is founded on a religious belief. The bill is sponsored by Republican Steve Yarborough, who attempted to legalize discrimination last year, and it was described then by The New Civil Rights Movement as the religious “stand your ground” law, but it is much worse than religious license to discriminate. In Yarborough’s bill, the definition of “exercise of religion means PRACTICE OR OBSERVANCE OF RELIGION, INCLUDING THE ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief.” It is precisely the argument Hobby Lobby is using to refuse birth control coverage for women and Utah is using to deny same-sex couples equal protection under the law to marry the person they love.

On its face, SB 1062 appears to give Arizona residents and businesses legal cover to refuse service to anyone for any reason, but it is far-reaching in its scope including extending First Amendment religious protections by “expanding the definition of person to include any individual, association, partnership, corporation, church, estate, trust, foundation or other legal entity.” The bill eliminates the Constitution’s equal rights protections and is a “get of jail” free card for anyone who does anything in the name of religion. It will not end with protecting Christians who discriminate against the LGBT community, or shielding Christian employers who withhold contraception coverage in health plans.

Yarborough’s legislation is the ultimate “conscience clause” because it gives any individual, church, business, medical professional, trust or estate, or simple association legal protection to discriminate against anyone if they claim doing so is part of their religious belief. What it means is if a business owner is opposed to gays and a couple walks into his restaurant, he can refuse to serve them, physically assault them, and literally throw them out of his establishment if he claims “the bible made him do it.” Yarborough’s legislation means he cannot be prosecuted for assault, discrimination, or violating the Constitution if he claims he was exercising religion. However, it will not stop there. For example, if a homeowner’s association wants to keep non-white people from moving into their neighborhood they could ban realtors from selling or renting homes to minorities, or evict minorities from their homes on grounds that African Americans, Asians, or Hispanics living in their vicinity violates their First Amendment free exercise of religion.

The Arizona legislation, if it becomes law, would effectively void the Constitution’s equal rights protections, eliminate anti-discrimination laws, and restrict the religious freedom of non-Christians just to name a few. It would give any entity, business, trust, or association the right to refuse to serve members of other religions, or ban them from a city if city leaders said it was against their religion to allow other faiths inside city boundaries. It is by no means a stretch of the imagination to believe that an Arizona citizen, business, church, association, or militia group would follow the bible’s commandment to stone gays or murder unmarried women cohabitating with a man if they knew citing religious freedom protected them from prosecution. The bill ultimately protects any religious person or group from arrest or prosecution for any heinous act if they claimed allowing someone to exercise their Constitutional right inhibited their exercise of religion. If the legislation becomes law it means religion is a “get out of jail” free card or legal justification to break any law including murder or violating the Constitution if it is founded on their religious belief.

Yarborough’s legislation is the iteration of what the religious right has been attempting to do for the past thirty years since Reagan gave them power to affect legislation to follow the bible. S.B. 1062 is the law Christians lust for to replace the Constitution that prohibits Christian extremists from imposing their will on the entire population under the guise of “religious liberty.” This is not the first time Yarborough has introduced legislation giving “religious license to discriminate against gays,” and he told a reporter he is very aware that “his bill could be used to discriminate against not only gay people, but also unmarried women, or people with different religious beliefs,” or that it “could actually allow religion to be used to justify breaking any law in Arizona.”

http://www.politicususa.com/20...w-impunity.html

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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:11 PM

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The Republican Party is big on accusing others of ignoring the law.  They should check a mirror.

Virginia's Republican legislators broke into Governor's office to block ACA coverage for poor

byHorace Boothroyd IIIFollow forThe Fourth Estate

        

    In their fervor to ensure that the least amongst their citizens keep getting kicked in the teeth, the Republicans of Virginia have stooped to breaking and entering an executive office in order to block Medicaid expansion.

    There is a time limit between delivery of documents and the Governor's need to authorize them. So the Republican House Speaker William J. Howell authorized security to illegally enter the Governor's office during a holiday break to ensure the clock started ticking before the Governor even knew the bill was delivered.

    Is there anything the Republicans won't do to harm the 47%?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/...verage-for-poor#

    So are you guys PROUD of the Republican party?  The party of "American values", of law and order, of righteous indignation about breaking the law?  The party of "constitutional values"?  What crap.

    So let's just say both parties are corrupt.  Come up with equivalents for the democrats for the articles I've posted.  They may well be out there.  I sure don't find much.  I had to choose from dozens of examples to find what I posted here just to filter down to significant violations.  I've basically found one instance of voter registration accusations by none other than James O'Keefe of cut paste and distort in video fame claiming he has video proof of cheating.  Yeah.  I believe that coming from a convicted liar.

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    Posted: 7/15/2014 8:51 AM

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    The insinuation that anyone disagreeing with the president's policies is a racist is a thousand times worse than anything the president has actually done. And it's a thousand times worse than any unjustified complaints made by any Republicans.

    Bush was repeatedly called a buffoon and a Nazi. Clinton actually WAS impeached, even if the Senate didn't go along with it. The flack that Obama has dealt with isn't any worse than what his two predecessors dealt with. The difference is that you are paying more attention to it because he's your guy.

    I am virtually impossible to offend. But to me, these chronic accusations of racism from the left are just offensive as hell. I just don't get the holier than thou attitude that allows you to so flippantly throw this blanket insult over damn near half the country while simultaneously claiming some kind of moral superiority. It's preposterous. The gall is immeasurable.

    valcom2 wrote: I used to feel an obligation to try to understand what republicans thought because they were fellow human beings deserving of respect and compassion.

    After 6 years of listening to them complain about a president whose skin just happens to be black, who has been as criminal free as any presidential administration in my lifetime, I just flat effing don't give a crap what they think anymore.
    Clichés are the best thing since sliced bread.

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    Posted: 7/15/2014 8:54 AM

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    It's the last defense of a weak mind Junkyard. And it's morphing into a defining trait of the hard left, of which these two are firmly ensconced. They cannot be taken seriously.

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    Posted: 7/15/2014 9:30 AM

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    I'm paraphrasing here, but the quote from Charles Krauthammer goes something like this:

    "The difference between liberals and conservatives is simple... Liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart."

    You all on the left can keep your hearts. I think I'll keep my brain.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 9:31 AM

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    Perhaps you'd like me to post the pictures of the protest signs from conservative rallies lately?  The accusations of Bush as a buffoon were totally caused by his own misspeaks and were for comedic purposes.  They were most definitely NOT racist and they were not based in hate.  The references by conservatives are UNDENIABLY racist and hate oriented.  Again, i will be happy to post the most recent dozen or so.  The criticism of the two is not even remotely close to teh same thing.  Of course every president is subject to criticism and being made fun of.  It is part of the job.  It is the tone, the intensity and the pure hypocrisy of criticizing events of totally different level of impact as though they are equal in severity or effect on the country.  Reagan traded guns for hostages and threw in some cocaine transportation as well.  Clinton got a blow job.  HARDLY equal in global impact.  Bush declared a personal war that killed thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands of iraqi's for no good reason but was not impeached.  Obama passes on seeing a children's immigration camp and there are calls for impeachment.  There is not even a modicum of similarity to these "criticisms".  Obama is compared to a monkey, placed in a watermelon patch, or standing outside an outhouse labeled as "presidential library" while Bush is shown as one of the three stooges.  Not REMOTELY close to the same thing.  One is blatantly racist.  You know which one.

    So just for grins, what do you call it when racist images, racist terminology, racist symbols (hanging noose, burning cross) are used to criticize the president but you insist it is not racist?  What the hell is it then?  I realize it is not YOU being racist.  You have not been.  BUt it is those of your same political persuasion that have been overwhelmingly, overtly, blatantly racist.  The level of offense is not comparable between teh two.  Bush miscues resulted in substantially more carnage.  He had 13 Benghazis that totaled 68 deaths, Obama had one Benghazi and 4 deaths but Obama is incompetent and needs to be impeached?  There is only one other factor, guys and the symbolism of your sides protest emphasizes that very same difference.  There is no other answer, and the proof is in the pictures of the ones making the most noise about it.  THEY ARE RACIST.  PERIOD.

    Again, I'll be happy to show the proof, but it is disgusting and beneath the intelligence level of this board, regardless of what side you are on.  And it is pervasive.  How you can deny this is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 9:40 AM

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    TedVader wrote: It's the last defense of a weak mind Junkyard. And it's morphing into a defining trait of the hard left, of which these two are firmly ensconced. They cannot be taken seriously.
    I repeat.  Would you like me to post the pictures?  Would you like me to repeat the conservative "jokes".  I'm not imagining these things.  I would contend the consevative criticisms are the sign of weak minds, because they are ridiculous.  I posted in another thread some of the latest actions of teh republican party.  Is that the sign of the moral high ground for you?  Attempting to keep people from voting if they don't vote for you, breaking into offices to halt legally approved, by vote, processes that help teh poor and disadvantaged, passing laws to force others to obey YOUR religious beliefs, trying to carve out a religious exemption to allow dicrimination based on religious belief, no matter how sketchy. 

    What an honorable party.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 9:45 AM

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    IamACard wrote: I'm paraphrasing here, but the quote from Charles Krauthammer goes something like this:

    "The difference between liberals and conservatives is simple... Liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart."

    You all on the left can keep your hearts. I think I'll keep my brain.
    And for you  i give you Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Richard Perry, MIchelle Bachman, the entire Arizona republican party .  And you want to claim brains?????  Just because Krauthammer says something does not make it true.  Evidence shows just the opposite.  Brains are a very scarce commodity on the republican side.  I still say you all share one brain and a rather tiny shriveled one at that.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 9:51 AM

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    IamACard wrote: I'm paraphrasing here, but the quote from Charles Krauthammer goes something like this:

    "The difference between liberals and conservatives is simple... Liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart."

    You all on the left can keep your hearts. I think I'll keep my brain.
    Here's a thought. Get back to us when you start using it.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 10:00 AM

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    valcom2 wrote: 

     The references by conservatives are UNDENIABLY racist and hate oriented.  

    Obama is compared to a monkey, placed in a watermelon patch, or standing outside an outhouse labeled as "presidential library"

    You cast a wide net don't you?  You are really shocked we have some racist, rude, ignorant jack*****s in this country?

    So all conservatives, all Republicans, Oh, and all those Christians too, are ignorant racists?  You seem to want to go there. 

    I can play this game.  By the same token, every Democrat is a atheist vegetarian lesbian minority woman who has five kids on welfare and drives a Prius between protests and whose only goal is to finally be wed to her female lover who is a teacher and union member who spends her time at work instilling communist ideals in our youth.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 10:07 AM

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    What's so bad about communist ideals? tongue

    Actually, I think Teddy Roosevelt began those when he decided Unions were a humanitarian wave of the future and he insisted on Anti-Trust laws to keep corporations from exceeding their manfate as they always doi

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    Posted: 7/15/2014 10:11 AM

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    LoavulLou wrote:
    valcom2 wrote: 

     The references by conservatives are UNDENIABLY racist and hate oriented.  

    Obama is compared to a monkey, placed in a watermelon patch, or standing outside an outhouse labeled as "presidential library"

    You cast a wide net don't you?  You are really shocked we have some racist, rude, ignorant jack*****s in this country?

    So all conservatives, all Republicans, Oh, and all those Christians too, are ignorant racists?  You seem to want to go there. 

    I can play this game.  By the same token, every Democrat is a atheist vegetarian lesbian minority woman who has five kids on welfare and drives a Prius between protests and whose only goal is to finally be wed to her female lover who is a teacher and union member who spends her time at work instilling communist ideals in our youth.
    Pictures??

    Like a true conservative, you take a fact that you do not like and distort it to the extreme as though that is what I said when I did not.  Did I say all conservatives are racists?  No.  But almost all racists are conservatives and it is that group that is giving the rest of you a bad image.  Maybe if you tried policing your own constituents????

    Again, please explain the absolute horror regarding Obama decisions and the total ignoring of Bush decisions that are 10 times worse.  Where was the moral high ground then?  Where was the outrage at pathetic security at 13 embassies?  I am not saying all conservatives are racists, but I do think it appears all conservatives are hypocrites.  I am still waiting for some explanation from your side.  All any of you have done is redirect, divert and ignore.

    I am looking for consistancy of belief.  For some sense of honor.  All I find is ignorance, greed and total disassociation from fact.
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    Posted: 7/15/2014 10:39 AM

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    I think that quote traces back to Churchill in one form or another.

    IamACard wrote: I'm paraphrasing here, but the quote from Charles Krauthammer goes something like this:

    "The difference between liberals and conservatives is simple... Liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart."

    You all on the left can keep your hearts. I think I'll keep my brain.
    Clichés are the best thing since sliced bread.
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    Don't you see how you're doing the exact same thing by characterizing ALL conservatives based on the actions of a few idiots with well placed signs? You're judging an entire group based on an anecdotal stereotype. I am conservative. I am not a racist. Yet your posts on the issue leave no room for even the possibility of that being the case for anyone, much less me. Opposition to Obama by definition equates to racism. It's patently absurd.

    valcom2 wrote: Perhaps you'd like me to post the pictures of the protest signs from conservative rallies lately?  The accusations of Bush as a buffoon were totally caused by his own misspeaks and were for comedic purposes.  They were most definitely NOT racist and they were not based in hate.  The references by conservatives are UNDENIABLY racist and hate oriented.  Again, i will be happy to post the most recent dozen or so.  The criticism of the two is not even remotely close to teh same thing.  Of course every president is subject to criticism and being made fun of.  It is part of the job.  It is the tone, the intensity and the pure hypocrisy of criticizing events of totally different level of impact as though they are equal in severity or effect on the country.  Reagan traded guns for hostages and threw in some cocaine transportation as well.  Clinton got a blow job.  HARDLY equal in global impact.  Bush declared a personal war that killed thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands of iraqi's for no good reason but was not impeached.  Obama passes on seeing a children's immigration camp and there are calls for impeachment.  There is not even a modicum of similarity to these "criticisms".  Obama is compared to a monkey, placed in a watermelon patch, or standing outside an outhouse labeled as "presidential library" while Bush is shown as one of the three stooges.  Not REMOTELY close to the same thing.  One is blatantly racist.  You know which one.

    So just for grins, what do you call it when racist images, racist terminology, racist symbols (hanging noose, burning cross) are used to criticize the president but you insist it is not racist?  What the hell is it then?  I realize it is not YOU being racist.  You have not been.  BUt it is those of your same political persuasion that have been overwhelmingly, overtly, blatantly racist.  The level of offense is not comparable between teh two.  Bush miscues resulted in substantially more carnage.  He had 13 Benghazis that totaled 68 deaths, Obama had one Benghazi and 4 deaths but Obama is incompetent and needs to be impeached?  There is only one other factor, guys and the symbolism of your sides protest emphasizes that very same difference.  There is no other answer, and the proof is in the pictures of the ones making the most noise about it.  THEY ARE RACIST.  PERIOD.

    Again, I'll be happy to show the proof, but it is disgusting and beneath the intelligence level of this board, regardless of what side you are on.  And it is pervasive.  How you can deny this is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
    Clichés are the best thing since sliced bread.
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    JunkYardCard wrote: Don't you see how you're doing the exact same thing by characterizing ALL conservatives based on the actions of a few idiots with well placed signs? You're judging an entire group based on an anecdotal stereotype. I am conservative. I am not a racist. Yet your posts on the issue leave no room for even the possibility of that being the case for anyone, much less me. Opposition to Obama by definition equates to racism. It's patently absurd.

    valcom2 wrote: Perhaps you'd like me to post the pictures of the protest signs from conservative rallies lately?  The accusations of Bush as a buffoon were totally caused by his own misspeaks and were for comedic purposes.  They were most definitely NOT racist and they were not based in hate.  The references by conservatives are UNDENIABLY racist and hate oriented.  Again, i will be happy to post the most recent dozen or so.  The criticism of the two is not even remotely close to teh same thing.  Of course every president is subject to criticism and being made fun of.  It is part of the job.  It is the tone, the intensity and the pure hypocrisy of criticizing events of totally different level of impact as though they are equal in severity or effect on the country.  Reagan traded guns for hostages and threw in some cocaine transportation as well.  Clinton got a blow job.  HARDLY equal in global impact.  Bush declared a personal war that killed thousands of Americans, hundreds of thousands of iraqi's for no good reason but was not impeached.  Obama passes on seeing a children's immigration camp and there are calls for impeachment.  There is not even a modicum of similarity to these "criticisms".  Obama is compared to a monkey, placed in a watermelon patch, or standing outside an outhouse labeled as "presidential library" while Bush is shown as one of the three stooges.  Not REMOTELY close to the same thing.  One is blatantly racist.  You know which one.

    So just for grins, what do you call it when racist images, racist terminology, racist symbols (hanging noose, burning cross) are used to criticize the president but you insist it is not racist?  What the hell is it then?  I realize it is not YOU being racist.  You have not been.  BUt it is those of your same political persuasion that have been overwhelmingly, overtly, blatantly racist.  The level of offense is not comparable between teh two.  Bush miscues resulted in substantially more carnage.  He had 13 Benghazis that totaled 68 deaths, Obama had one Benghazi and 4 deaths but Obama is incompetent and needs to be impeached?  There is only one other factor, guys and the symbolism of your sides protest emphasizes that very same difference.  There is no other answer, and the proof is in the pictures of the ones making the most noise about it.  THEY ARE RACIST.  PERIOD.

    Again, I'll be happy to show the proof, but it is disgusting and beneath the intelligence level of this board, regardless of what side you are on.  And it is pervasive.  How you can deny this is absolutely beyond my comprehension.
    I have NOT said all conservatives are racist.  I have said that the criticism of Obama is racist based.  Non- racist conservatives just jump on the train and turn it into an Obama bash, but it is still driven by those who ARE racist.  They do not like ANYTHING the man does.  But I have said those that carry signs like the ones at every Tea Party and many other conservative oriented protests are racist.

    Those that cannot accept gays as equal human beings are bigots.  Why the hell does the Arizona republican party want to exempt themselves from every single equal rights law that exists unless they are bigots?  i don't care if it is "supposedly" based on the bible, it is still bigotry, pure and simple.

    Not all conservatives are racists or bigots, but nearly EVERY racist or bigot in this country is conservative.  Do you deny that?  Why is it that everytime conservatives discuss welfare they assume everyone is on drugs?  Why is it they assume that illegal immigrants are either violent or carrying disease or they want free benefits (you have to have a SS number to get this stuff) or are otherwise looking for handout?  Is that not exactly the same generalization you are speaking of?  They can't possible be in fear for their lives, or looking for someplace to support themselves on their own work ethic?  That is not possible at all?  According to conservative talking points they all want to TAKE something away from YOU.

    Don't give me any lectures on generalization.  I could never approach the generalization level of conservatives!!  My experience is that the Tea Party is the worst of the bunch, and yes, there are TRUE conservatives who understand that neither the government or anyone else has the right to tell you who you can love or to keep you from sharing the benefits accorded to heterosexual marriages by the government, paid for by EVERYONE'S tax dollars and therefore OWED to every human being in this country regardless of race, creed, religion or sexual orientation.  And the freaking BIBLE does not get a vote.  It is NOT a religious issue, it is a CONSTITUTIONAL issue.  It makes NO DIFFERENCE what your religion says.  And despite anything the now useless Supreme Court says, corporations do not have constitutional rights.

    A true conservative and American would stand up against these ghouls that have taken over the Republican party.  They do not represent any values other than greed and selfishness.  You aren't like that?  Good.  So go DO something about it, otherwise you get labeled by the company you keep.
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    Val, you are pretty worked up and ticked off at a ho-lotta people. 

    You might consider pushing away from all political news and information for a week and see if you don't feel better.

    In my life, I've quit jobs and left women without getting as mad as you are presently.  

    I'm not kidding at all.  Politics has made politicians rich, but its never made anyone happy.    Push away from the table.  Devote time to another hobby.  Get outside.  Disregard the internet and talking heads for a week.

    Or perhaps its low T.   biggrinwink
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    When I read these two sentences, I have to concentrate to prevent my head from exploding. Whether you meant it or not, you're saying that conservatives are only racist if they criticize Obama. 

    What is something that Obama has either done or advocated that conservatives would not criticize if he were white?

    valcom2 wrote: I have NOT said all conservatives are racist.  I have said that the criticism of Obama is racist based. 
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    Nothing.  It isn't Obama's skin, it's his political agenda coupled with a letter D next to his name.  Race has little to do with it when it comes to the majority.  Is there a small minority that takes issue with him due to race?  Sure... but, it didn't start with his policies, it was always there.  I don't understand why people like Val can't understand this.
    JunkYardCard wrote: When I read these two sentences, I have to concentrate to prevent my head from exploding. Whether you meant it or not, you're saying that conservatives are only racist if they criticize Obama. 

    What is something that Obama has either done or advocated that conservatives would not criticize if he were white?

    valcom2 wrote: I have NOT said all conservatives are racist.  I have said that the criticism of Obama is racist based. 
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    JunkYardCard wrote: When I read these two sentences, I have to concentrate to prevent my head from exploding. Whether you meant it or not, you're saying that conservatives are only racist if they criticize Obama. 

    What is something that Obama has either done or advocated that conservatives would not criticize if he were white?

    valcom2 wrote: I have NOT said all conservatives are racist.  I have said that the criticism of Obama is racist based. 
    It is somewhat overstated. But a prevailing reason for the continual harassment is not based on his policies at all. It is so intimately tied in with fear, it's sick. Fear of Socialism, fear of atheism, fear of sex in the streets, fear of racial differences and the discomfort in redrawing a national ethic towards race - always a slow mother f----- to form up.

    Fear is among the primary problems I have with Tea Party enthusiasts and Bible Thumpers. It has sure caused one hell of a mess.
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    LoavulLou wrote: Val, you are pretty worked up and ticked off at a ho-lotta people. 

    You might consider pushing away from all political news and information for a week and see if you don't feel better.

    In my life, I've quit jobs and left women without getting as mad as you are presently.  

    I'm not kidding at all.  Politics has made politicians rich, but its never made anyone happy.    Push away from the table.  Devote time to another hobby.  Get outside.  Disregard the internet and talking heads for a week.

    Or perhaps its low T.   biggrinwink
    Unfortuneately I just took a week off.  I came back and the republicans are claiming exemptions from ALL laws if it offends their religious beliefs.  I posted several articles in another thread about republican intolerance or something like that and that one has gotten to me.  I'm sure my posts sound angrier than I actually am.  I only have small time segments when I can post during the day and it makes my wording short and sometimes not-so-sweet.  i will try to not come across as angry.  frustrated is a much more accurate description.
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    valcom2 wrote:
    IamACard wrote: I'm paraphrasing here, but the quote from Charles Krauthammer goes something like this:

    "The difference between liberals and conservatives is simple... Liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart."

    You all on the left can keep your hearts. I think I'll keep my brain.
    And for you  i give you Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Richard Perry, MIchelle Bachman, the entire Arizona republican party .  And you want to claim brains?????  Just because Krauthammer says something does not make it true.  Evidence shows just the opposite.  Brains are a very scarce commodity on the republican side.  I still say you all share one brain and a rather tiny shriveled one at that.
    What ... me angry.....lol
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    I think this is missing the forest for the trees. I think the vast VAST opposition to Obama is simply because he has advocated and executed a massive expansion of the Federal government, and also of executive power over the legislative branch.

    That last part is something that I thought would have concerned you far more than it apparently has. Regardless of party, with each passing election cycle, we get closer and closer to simply electing a new king every four years.

    senore2006 wrote:
    JunkYardCard wrote: When I read these two sentences, I have to concentrate to prevent my head from exploding. Whether you meant it or not, you're saying that conservatives are only racist if they criticize Obama. 

    What is something that Obama has either done or advocated that conservatives would not criticize if he were white?

    valcom2 wrote: I have NOT said all conservatives are racist.  I have said that the criticism of Obama is racist based. 
    It is somewhat overstated. But a prevailing reason for the continual harassment is not based on his policies at all. It is so intimately tied in with fear, it's sick. Fear of Socialism, fear of atheism, fear of sex in the streets, fear of racial differences and the discomfort in redrawing a national ethic towards race - always a slow mother f----- to form up.

    Fear is among the primary problems I have with Tea Party enthusiasts and Bible Thumpers. It has sure caused one hell of a mess.
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    Oh, now we're talking about my own criticisms of Obama, lol? Where do I begin? You got half a day?

    But my beefs are his sins which required some time to form. I base my rancor to the guy on how he evolved and these concerns are far more specific than what I read from Right Wing sources. Hell, most of them have no issue with drone-killing and our general Imperialistic aims towards other people's resources we so badly want to somehow own. You'd think he would be a galdang hero and a half to them guys. Plus, he enabled the rich like no one in history. Hell, he's more Republican than they are.

    He was screwed from Day One with the crowd who so viciously hates him, without any deeper pause to ennumerate the specifics. The Republicans found themselves a Motherlode of hate in areas they should have stayed clear of and now they pay with a perception of them which is a grotesque cartoon of adulthood.

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    I'll throw you another bone. The Hobby Lobby ruling surprised me.

    Now, at the end of the day, I really don't see why the federal government should be mandating the minutia of a health insurance policy for any company. I mean it's not like they were providing some kind of immoral, inadequate policy. The insurance policy was fine with everyone until ACA. BUT, I don't see how the owner's religious views should make a difference. 

    On a side note, the ruling in this case was based on a law signed by Clinton, so it isn't some evil right wing law, and it's not like the storm troopers are confiscating birth control pills. The ruling is only about who pays for them.

    Honestly, I don't see how Viagra is covered by insurance either. 

    valcom2 wrote:
    Unfortuneately I just took a week off.  I came back and the republicans are claiming exemptions from ALL laws if it offends their religious beliefs.  I posted several articles in another thread about republican intolerance or something like that and that one has gotten to me.  I'm sure my posts sound angrier than I actually am.  I only have small time segments when I can post during the day and it makes my wording short and sometimes not-so-sweet.  i will try to not come across as angry.  frustrated is a much more accurate description.
    Clichés are the best thing since sliced bread.
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    JunkYardCard wrote: I'll throw you another bone. The Hobby Lobby ruling surprised me.

    Now, at the end of the day, I really don't see why the federal government should be mandating the minutia of a health insurance policy for any company. I mean it's not like they were providing some kind of immoral, inadequate policy. The insurance policy was fine with everyone until ACA. BUT, I don't see how the owner's religious views should make a difference. 

    On a side note, the ruling in this case was based on a law signed by Clinton, so it isn't some evil right wing law, and it's not like the storm troopers are confiscating birth control pills. The ruling is only about who pays for them.

    Honestly, I don't see how Viagra is covered by insurance either. 

    valcom2 wrote:
    Unfortuneately I just took a week off.  I came back and the republicans are claiming exemptions from ALL laws if it offends their religious beliefs.  I posted several articles in another thread about republican intolerance or something like that and that one has gotten to me.  I'm sure my posts sound angrier than I actually am.  I only have small time segments when I can post during the day and it makes my wording short and sometimes not-so-sweet.  i will try to not come across as angry.  frustrated is a much more accurate description.
    Maybe it was just some old fashioned vote buying.

    You know vote for me and I'll make sure you get some free S&(T
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