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Posted: 6/3/2014 12:28 PM

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More and more it is beginning to appear that Barry's crack international negotiating skills got us a deserter for five top terrorists.

And now there are rumblings that Hillary knew about it in advance.

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Posted: 6/3/2014 12:37 PM

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Maybe we wanted Bergdahl back because we felt his accommodations were too luxurious. We'll show him by sticking him in Leavenworth.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 12:40 PM

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I found an interesting article by one of the soldiers in his former unit.


Nathan Bradley Bethea

06.02.14

We Lost Soldiers in the Hunt for Bergdahl, a Guy Who Walked Off in the Dead of Night

For five years, soldiers have been forced to stay silent about the disappearance and search for Bergdahl. Now we can talk about what really happened.

 

It was June 30, 2009, and I was in the city of Sharana, the capitol of Paktika province in Afghanistan. As I stepped out of a decrepit office building into a perfect sunny day, a member of my team started talking into his radio. “Say that again,” he said. “There’s an American soldier missing?”

There was. His name was Private First Class Bowe Bergdahl, the only prisoner of war in the Afghan theater of operations. His release from Taliban custody on May 31 marks the end of a nearly five-year-old story for the soldiers of his unit, the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment. I served in the same battalion in Afghanistan and participated in the attempts to retrieve him throughout the summer of 2009. After we redeployed, every member of my brigade combat team received an order that we were not allowed to discuss what happened to Bergdahl for fear of endangering him. He is safe, and now it is time to speak the truth.

And that the truth is: Bergdahl was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.

The rest of the article is here and is very well worth reading.  It doesn't get any better than first hand information.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/a...d-of-night.html

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Posted: 6/3/2014 1:08 PM

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More from another source:  http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/...serter-or-hero/


Fellow soldiers call Bowe Bergdahl a deserter, not a hero

By Jake Tapper, CNN
updated 11:39 AM EDT, Tue June 3, 2014

According to firsthand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera and a diary.

At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for him, according to soldiers involved in the operations to find him. The Pentagon was not able to provide details on specific operations in which any soldiers killed during that time were involved.

Also, many soldiers in Bergdahl's platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika province in the days and weeks following his disappearance.

"Any of us would have died for him while he was with us, and then for him to just leave us like that, it was a very big betrayal," said former U.S. Army Sgt. Josh Korder, who has the name of three soldiers who died while searching for Bergdahl tatooed on his back.

Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad to the larger group that made up the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.

"I don't think I could have continued to go on without being able to share with you and the people the true things that happened in this situation," Korder said Monday. "Because if you guys aren't made aware of it, it will just go on, and he'll be a hero, and nobody will be able to know the truth."

Again, much more at the source.  This is just a snippet





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Posted: 6/3/2014 1:09 PM

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GoCardz wrote: Maybe we wanted Bergdahl back because we felt his accommodations were too luxurious. We'll show him by sticking him in Leavenworth.

Yeah - thats all good and fine , but now we just released 5 high level Taliban guys that will no doubt be planning attacks on our interests in the future .

The OP has a very solid point - this is a blunder that could have catastrophic consequences.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 1:20 PM

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I really hope those five guys have GPS tracking devises installed under their kidneys so we can drone strike them whenever they get where they want to go.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 1:39 PM

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By all the time, money and effort they put into it, this government is clearly more preoccupied and worried about imaginary "potential" homegrown terrorist than they are these kind, the real ones, the ones they probably know are going to go right back to work being terrorist.

      
                
                   

   
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Posted: 6/3/2014 3:47 PM

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Shouldn't some underling somewhere have fed this information up?  I mean, honestly, this is not somethig that is General level knowledge, much less Cheif of Staff or Executive level.  It is not their job to keep track of PFC walk outs.  Have to agree, surely someone thought to implant a tracking device someplace hard to get to.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 5:15 PM

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valcom2 wrote: Shouldn't some underling somewhere have fed this information up?  I mean, honestly, this is not somethig that is General level knowledge, much less Cheif of Staff or Executive level.  It is not their job to keep track of PFC walk outs.  Have to agree, surely someone thought to implant a tracking device someplace hard to get to.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 9:32 PM

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val, it's been five years.  I am pretty sure the info went up the chain in that amount of time.

FWIW, why else do you think the soldiers in his unit were compelled to sign non-disclosure agreements?
valcom2 wrote: Shouldn't some underling somewhere have fed this information up?  I mean, honestly, this is not somethig that is General level knowledge, much less Cheif of Staff or Executive level.  It is not their job to keep track of PFC walk outs.  Have to agree, surely someone thought to implant a tracking device someplace hard to get to.
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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:09 PM

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The prisoner exchange has been in the works for more than 2 years.

This soldier is a weird eccentric, home-schooled by a Mom and a Dad whose beard looks exactly like that mop he's sporting himself - Amish-esque. He wasn't well-liked in his platoon and seems like a pretty dorky misfit - although apparently a definitely capable troop since he's SF. Letters home indicated he was upset over running over a Afghan kid with a Humvee he was in and no one even getting in trouble over it or making a big deal. Sounds like it depressed him - sort of a straw that broke the camel's back.

There is the usual political hay attempted by the usual chickenhawks, confused about what patriotism means. The fact is, no matter how confused a soldier might be - even if he jumped off a ship in the ocean, American policy is to leave no one behind. They would always turn that ship around. That's our military policy. If you think it;s great giving Obama Hell for trading captives, you can't begin to imagine the s--tstorm in the ranks if he did not make the effort. That is why the trade. It appear 2 of the Taliban were actually Taliban - one maybe a real player. They all will be heroes, no doubt, in a war that is ending.......after living in Satan's Belly for 10-12 years without trial. 3 of the guys are nobodies.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 12:53 AM

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Tell that to the parents of the soldiers killed looking for this piece of work. Paint him as rosy as you wish. He left them willingly. He didn't like it where he was. His beliefs are now well documented. The bizarre correspondence between him and his father. Then one night he snuck away, with a knife, change of cloths, some rations, and that's it. And proceeded to got his dumb *** captured. Or something else. Who knows? The earth-shattering mistake was the trade. The pretender in chief gave away five serious monsters for this wayward soul. I've seen several of his squad mates describe what happened. And I'll take the word of his mates over any internet poster on any internet forum. All day every day.

And of course Hillary knew about it. Have we heard her thoughts on the matter? Think she'll run from it why trying to buy the next Presidency? Yes? Me too.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:08 AM

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Do you ever think before you type errant nonsense?  Dude was the guest of Islamofascists for five years.  So according to you, there had to be an ongoing S_storm for the last five years.   You can link to that, right?

Anyone?

Bueller?

Just like you can link to the alleged traffic fatality.  Right?

Anyone?

Bueller?

You constantly deride those whom you believe to be focused on Fox News, but any piece of any flimsy story you think buttresses your arguments, you swallow whole.  John McCain a chickenhawk?  While I believe he has lost more than a couple of feet off his fastball, he remains a military hero.

senore2006 wrote: The prisoner exchange has been in the works for more than 2 years.

This soldier is a weird eccentric, home-schooled by a Mom and a Dad whose beard looks exactly like that mop he's sporting himself - Amish-esque. He wasn't well-liked in his platoon and seems like a pretty dorky misfit - although apparently a definitely capable troop since he's SF. Letters home indicated he was upset over running over a Afghan kid with a Humvee he was in and no one even getting in trouble over it or making a big deal. Sounds like it depressed him - sort of a straw that broke the camel's back.

There is the usual political hay attempted by the usual chickenhawks, confused about what patriotism means. The fact is, no matter how confused a soldier might be - even if he jumped off a ship in the ocean, American policy is to leave no one behind. They would always turn that ship around. That's our military policy. If you think it;s great giving Obama Hell for trading captives, you can't begin to imagine the s--tstorm in the ranks if he did not make the effort. That is why the trade. It appear 2 of the Taliban were actually Taliban - one maybe a real player. They all will be heroes, no doubt, in a war that is ending.......after living in Satan's Belly for 10-12 years without trial. 3 of the guys are nobodies.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:44 AM

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I don't give a damn if it's a popular opinion or not; if this were your friend, brother, father, or husband you would damn well be OK with this. 

They can deal with whatever he may or may have not done on American terms now. If he is guilty of something, he'll have to face that. And as for the five we gave up, do you think they are the only ones capable of hurting Americans? As if their release now seals the fate of thousands of Americans.

For a bunch of people that don't trust the news media, you guys sure will latch on to the first stories coming out! But then, it's just one American life, and it's not yours, so why care, right? 

We sure are brave being safely out of range behind a keyboard.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 7:45 AM

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TedVader wrote: Tell that to the parents of the soldiers killed looking for this piece of work. Paint him as rosy as you wish. He left them willingly. He didn't like it where he was. His beliefs are now well documented. The bizarre correspondence between him and his father. Then one night he snuck away, with a knife, change of cloths, some rations, and that's it. And proceeded to got his dumb *** captured. Or something else. Who knows? The earth-shattering mistake was the trade. The pretender in chief gave away five serious monsters for this wayward soul. I've seen several of his squad mates describe what happened. And I'll take the word of his mates over any internet poster on any internet forum. All day every day.

And of course Hillary knew about it. Have we heard her thoughts on the matter? Think she'll run from it why trying to buy the next Presidency? Yes? Me too.
You make a few good points here, but the "earth shattering mistake" is not the trade.  The first mistake was keeping this kid in the army in the first place.  He obviously did not belong in the situation he was in. 

The second mistake is the policy and approach of the Army to civilians, but I will withold further comment because it has to be a very difficult position to be in when the "enemy" is not uniformed and may be all around you.  I am not in a position to cast judgement on how the Army as a whole or the individuals involved deal with that. 

The third mistake was not trying to let someone know how bothered you are about the situation and deciding the answer is to simply walk off and leave your unit behind.  He crossed a very definite line there, and yes, there were people killed as a result of that stupidity.  And he needs to be held accountable for that.

Five serious monsters?  Do you have one shred of anything to back that up?  They were so serious that no one had enough information on them to be able to file any charges at all. You may very well be right, but there is not one prisoner left in Gitmo that has a single viable charge against him.  Why are we allowed to hold these people in prison.  Does that not sound more like China or the old USSR?  Nice company we are emulating there.  So proud of that. 

And, OF COURSE, in your mind it is all Obama's fault.because he personally should have been keeping track of that.  If Bush was President you would not be making the same claim and you know it.  Should someone have told him?  Damn straight.  But, as President, he would not become involved in this type of situation until near its resolution.  Neither would Bush.  It is not that you feel compelled to blame the President, wrongly, for this.  It is that you have two sets of rules for yor President depending on what party he is from.  I don't care which set you pick, but the PRESIDENT needs to be treated the same way, held responsible the same way, follow the laws of this country the SAME WAY regardless of which party he is.  If the reasoning behind all that you claim is Obama's fault is applied to Bush, he is, beyond any measure of decency, the worst, most disruptive, most corrupt president this country has ever had and should be prosecuted and executed for crimes against this country along with his corrupt and evil vice president.  What those two did is FAR worse than anything this soldier did.

The ARMY is responsible for this tragedy.  The adminsitration is responsible for not advising Obama that this subject needed to be addressed.   The trade was neither a good or bad thing, it needed to be done.  But it needed to be done knowing the context of the US soldier's situation.  Acknowledging at the time it was announced that this soldier would be interrogated and held accountable for his actions.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:15 AM

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Like I said to you poor misguided amateurs at humanity in the first place.

The real crapstorm would have been if Obama did NOT go after a trade for this guy. The military would have kicked his butt.


Go ahead and pontificate about what super patriots you are.

I need the entertainment.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:53 AM

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White House Overrode Internal Objections to Taliban Prisoner Release

Pentagon, Intelligence officials used Top Secret intelligence to prevent previous release of Taliban Five, officials tell TIME


To pull off the prisoner swap of five Taliban leaders for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the White House overrode an existing interagency process charged with debating the transfer of Guantanamo Bay prisoners and dismissed long-standing Pentagon and intelligence community concerns based on Top Secret intelligence about the dangers of releasing the five men.

http://time.com/2818827/taliba...ns-white-house/


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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:55 AM

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Gee. I wonder if the White House sought the advice of the military.

I wonder what they said.

The mind reels at this complexity.

Not.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 10:56 AM

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You're right Val. These were five peace loving street vendors all caught up in the evil American invading force. LOL, can't make this chit up.

Abdul Haq Wasiq 

Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”

Mullah Norullah Noori 

As a senior Taliban military commander, Noori has been described in government reports as a military mastermind of sorts who engaged in hostilities “against U.S. and Coalition forces in Zabul Province.” Noori, who is estimated to be around 46 or 47 years old, has developed close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban officials, according to a JTF-GTMO report. Noori, who was named as the Taliban governor for the Balkh and Lagman provinces, is wanted by the United Nations for war crimes including the murder and torture of thousands of Shiite Muslims. Noori has been able to remain a “significant figure” to Taliban supporters and sympathizers. According to government records, which are based on conversations with Noori, he grew up in Shajoy where he learned to read and write at a mosque in his village. His father was the imam at the mosque. As a boy, he worked as a farmer on his father’s land. In March 1999, he traveled to Kabul where he met with Mullah Yunis, the commander of the Taliban security base, and expressed interest in joining the Taliban. After the Taliban front lines fell in November 2001, Noori traveled to Konduz where he was trained and worked with Omar. Noori has been implicated in the murder of thousands of Shiites in northern Afghanistan. When asked about the killings, Noori “did not express any regret and stated they did what they needed to do in their struggle to establish their ‘ideal state.’”

Mullah Mohammad Fazi 

As the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister, Fazi was held at Guantanamo after being identified as an enemy combatant by the United States. Fazi is an admitted senior commander who served as chief of staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of its 22nd Division. He’s also wanted by the United Nations on war crimes for the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan.  According to documents, Fazi “wielded considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued after his capture.” The Taliban has used Fazi’s capture as a recruiting tool. “If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties” with other terrorist groups, the Guantanamo report says.

Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa 

Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar.  According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker.

Mohammad Nabi Omari 

As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari has held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi, who is estimated to be in his mid-40s, worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the JTF-GTMO report. Born in the Khowst Province of Afghanistan, Nabi Omari and his family were forced to resettle as refugees though In Miram Shah, Pakistan after the Soviet Union’s occupation in Afghanistan. In the late 1980s, Nabi Omari returned to Afghanistan where he fought with the mujahideen against the Soviets. During the early 1990s, he ping-ponged between Taliban-related positions and others, including a stint as a used car salesman. In August 2002, Nabi reportedly helped two al Qaeda operatives smuggle missiles in Pakistan. The weapons were smuggled in pieces and the plan was to reassemble the missiles once all of the pieces had been brought across. Nabi was caught in September 2002 and eventually moved to Guantanamo.

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TedVader wrote: You're right Val. These were five peace loving street vendors all caught up in the evil American invading force. LOL, can't make this chit up.
One of them was a major player, 12 years ago. Another was a Warlord strategist whose allegiances went from being against the Taliban to being for it and back again. One was an accountant and the others were farmers who earned $17,600 for whoever turned them in. If you recall, turning in people was a big money earner at the advent of that war.

I bet you forgot, lol. It;s OK. So did everyone else. It's why **** Cheney is still not in jail.
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senore2006 wrote:
TedVader wrote: You're right Val. These were five peace loving street vendors all caught up in the evil American invading force. LOL, can't make this chit up.
One of them was a major player, 12 years ago. Another was a Warlord strategist whose allegiances went from being against the Taliban to being for it and back again. One was an accountant and the others were farmers who earned $17,600 for whoever turned them in. If you recall, turning in people was a big money earner at the advent of that war.

I bet you forgot, lol. It;s OK. So did everyone else. It's why **** Cheney is still not in jail.
Yea, they're a bunch of sweethearts lol.

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1.  He was not SF.  Not even close.  He was in a PFC in a regular infantry airborne unit who wasn't even airborne qualified yet.

2. The HMMWV story has since been proven to be concocted.  Not a single other soldier in his platoon verifies anything like that.  If he was "depressed" after two months of combat in which his platoon hadn't even had a guy nicked, much less killed, then he had other mental issues going on.  The vast, vast majority of soldiers - even those with combat-related stress much worse than Bergdahl could ever imagine - never deserted in theater; in fact, only a couple have over these entire campaigns.

3.  His desertion directly led to the deaths of at least twelve soldiers - and indirectly probably more - to include six in his own unit.  

I promise you there would be no "sh-tstorm in the ranks" were we to leave a deserter - one who more and more appears to be an active collaborator - who got a dozen soldiers killed behind.  Even Hillary had grave misgivings about this.
senore2006 wrote: The prisoner exchange has been in the works for more than 2 years.

This soldier is a weird eccentric, home-schooled by a Mom and a Dad whose beard looks exactly like that mop he's sporting himself - Amish-esque. He wasn't well-liked in his platoon and seems like a pretty dorky misfit - although apparently a definitely capable troop since he's SF. Letters home indicated he was upset over running over a Afghan kid with a Humvee he was in and no one even getting in trouble over it or making a big deal. Sounds like it depressed him - sort of a straw that broke the camel's back.

There is the usual political hay attempted by the usual chickenhawks, confused about what patriotism means. The fact is, no matter how confused a soldier might be - even if he jumped off a ship in the ocean, American policy is to leave no one behind. They would always turn that ship around. That's our military policy. If you think it;s great giving Obama Hell for trading captives, you can't begin to imagine the s--tstorm in the ranks if he did not make the effort. That is why the trade. It appear 2 of the Taliban were actually Taliban - one maybe a real player. They all will be heroes, no doubt, in a war that is ending.......after living in Satan's Belly for 10-12 years without trial. 3 of the guys are nobodies.
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Whatever. Special Forces guys are all sweethearts too, doncha know. The Taliban loves them I am sure.
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senore2006 wrote: Gee. I wonder if the White House sought the advice of the military.

I wonder what they said.

The mind reels at this complexity.

Not.


Did you even read the article?

It specifically said it was officials in the Pentagon and intelligence communities who had successfully fought off release of the five men in the past.


"Obama’s move was an ultimate victory for those at the White House and the State Department who had previously argued the military should "suck it up and salute,"

In January 2009, Obama ordered a Justice Department-led review of all 240 Guantanamo Bay detainees. The five Taliban leaders were found to be high risks to return to the fight against Americans, confirming Bush administration assessments of the threat they posed, according to officials familiar with the group’s findings. "These five are clearly bad dudes," says a second source familiar with the debate over their release, adding that the detainees are likely to return to the fight.

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TheLouisVillian wrote: 1.  He was not SF.  Not even close.  He was in a PFC in a regular infantry airborne unit who wasn't even airborne qualified yet.

2. The HMMWV story has since been proven to be concocted.  Not a single other soldier in his platoon verifies anything like that.  If he was "depressed" after two months of combat in which his platoon hadn't even had a guy nicked, much less killed, then he had other mental issues going on.  The vast, vast majority of soldiers - even those with combat-related stress much worse than Bergdahl could ever imagine - never deserted in theater; in fact, only a couple have over these entire campaigns.

3.  His desertion directly led to the deaths of at least twelve soldiers - and indirectly probably more - to include six in his own unit.  

I promise you there would be no "sh-tstorm in the ranks" were we to leave a deserter - one who more and more appears to be an active collaborator - who got a dozen soldiers killed behind.  Even Hillary had grave misgivings about this.
senore2006 wrote: The prisoner exchange has been in the works for more than 2 years.

This soldier is a weird eccentric, home-schooled by a Mom and a Dad whose beard looks exactly like that mop he's sporting himself - Amish-esque. He wasn't well-liked in his platoon and seems like a pretty dorky misfit - although apparently a definitely capable troop since he's SF. Letters home indicated he was upset over running over a Afghan kid with a Humvee he was in and no one even getting in trouble over it or making a big deal. Sounds like it depressed him - sort of a straw that broke the camel's back.

There is the usual political hay attempted by the usual chickenhawks, confused about what patriotism means. The fact is, no matter how confused a soldier might be - even if he jumped off a ship in the ocean, American policy is to leave no one behind. They would always turn that ship around. That's our military policy. If you think it;s great giving Obama Hell for trading captives, you can't begin to imagine the s--tstorm in the ranks if he did not make the effort. That is why the trade. It appear 2 of the Taliban were actually Taliban - one maybe a real player. They all will be heroes, no doubt, in a war that is ending.......after living in Satan's Belly for 10-12 years without trial. 3 of the guys are nobodies.
Look, this is a piss storm over not much. The military does not acknowledge that anyone - maybe 2 - died as a result of searching for Berghdal. 

I erroneously made him for SF because of the beret - totally my bad. In that case, his desertion is even less appalling, lol. That he was an idiot is probable. No one said differently.

The issue is this - and always has been - these negotiations have been going on for over 2 years. We can sit here and pontificate all we want about whether we should have left him behind, but it doesn;t mean diddly squat to the military brass, who are precisely who Obammer asked for advice.

Rant on about what a heel the guy is. He is, I agree.

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Those in his own unit acknowledge 6 killed in the 1/501, 3 killed in the 509th, and 3 killed in 2nd Rangers looking for him.  Andrews, Martinek, Curtiss, Walker, Bowen, and Murphrey.  

His very own military brass was apprehensive about this.  SOF had several opportunities to go and get him between 2009 and now and refused to risk their guys (again).  Judging by my Facebook feed (which includes several guys I knew who came over from 1/501 to my unit) and the broader social media sphere, there is a sh-tstorm that he was traded for at all, not the other way around.
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TheLouisVillian wrote: 1.  He was not SF.  Not even close.  He was in a PFC in a regular infantry airborne unit who wasn't even airborne qualified yet.

2. The HMMWV story has since been proven to be concocted.  Not a single other soldier in his platoon verifies anything like that.  If he was "depressed" after two months of combat in which his platoon hadn't even had a guy nicked, much less killed, then he had other mental issues going on.  The vast, vast majority of soldiers - even those with combat-related stress much worse than Bergdahl could ever imagine - never deserted in theater; in fact, only a couple have over these entire campaigns.

3.  His desertion directly led to the deaths of at least twelve soldiers - and indirectly probably more - to include six in his own unit.  

I promise you there would be no "sh-tstorm in the ranks" were we to leave a deserter - one who more and more appears to be an active collaborator - who got a dozen soldiers killed behind.  Even Hillary had grave misgivings about this.
senore2006 wrote: The prisoner exchange has been in the works for more than 2 years.

This soldier is a weird eccentric, home-schooled by a Mom and a Dad whose beard looks exactly like that mop he's sporting himself - Amish-esque. He wasn't well-liked in his platoon and seems like a pretty dorky misfit - although apparently a definitely capable troop since he's SF. Letters home indicated he was upset over running over a Afghan kid with a Humvee he was in and no one even getting in trouble over it or making a big deal. Sounds like it depressed him - sort of a straw that broke the camel's back.

There is the usual political hay attempted by the usual chickenhawks, confused about what patriotism means. The fact is, no matter how confused a soldier might be - even if he jumped off a ship in the ocean, American policy is to leave no one behind. They would always turn that ship around. That's our military policy. If you think it;s great giving Obama Hell for trading captives, you can't begin to imagine the s--tstorm in the ranks if he did not make the effort. That is why the trade. It appear 2 of the Taliban were actually Taliban - one maybe a real player. They all will be heroes, no doubt, in a war that is ending.......after living in Satan's Belly for 10-12 years without trial. 3 of the guys are nobodies.
Look, this is a piss storm over not much. The military does not acknowledge that anyone - maybe 2 - died as a result of searching for Berghdal

I erroneously made him for SF because of the beret - totally my bad. In that case, his desertion is even less appalling, lol. That he was an idiot is probable. No one said differently.

The issue is this - and always has been - these negotiations have been going on for over 2 years. We can sit here and pontificate all we want about whether we should have left him behind, but it doesn;t mean diddly squat to the military brass, who are precisely who Obammer asked for advice.

Rant on about what a hell the guy is. He is, I agree.
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:26 AM

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So why would Obama - the ultimate appeaser - contradict his own military?

Is this what you say he did?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:40 AM

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Did you read the link posted above?  He had a few CoS agreeing with him with other officials in the Pentagon vociferously voicing objections.  The military isn't some monolithic entity with a singular opinion.  
senore2006 wrote: So why would Obama - the ultimate appeaser - contradict his own military?

Is this what you say he did?
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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:45 AM

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So he went with a call which the COS made? Imagine that.

No, and I guarantee you I won't be reading any more articles on this, most likely. I find the entire argument predictable and therefore, basically over. Now it's just fodder for idiots with agendas.

I'll read anything about trying to fix injured warriors or actually waging war. Controversies like this are the stuff of sidelines and partisans where everybody - including his own shamed and pissed off unit - get air time, confusing the issue even more.

Let me ask you this: What would you have done with the same 2 year window of decision-making? I mean, there are only two answers.

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Posted: 6/4/2014 11:50 AM

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What are the chances of having loaded these prisoners up with nano-tech GPS business?

I guess if we hear of drones doing them in, we'll all know.
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