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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:42 AM

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First off, may the kid who got hit R.I.P. Stewart's history of on track melt downs is pretty long.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:52 AM

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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:12 AM

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You think Stewart saw him? If so maybe he thought of driving close to the kid just to piss him off? Odd everyone else saw him but Stewart.

He Is saying he is going to race today, stupid.

Never leave your car though, and walk around the track. Stupid...
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Posted: 8/10/2014 7:46 AM

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The gene pool has a habit of cleansing itself - Darwin Award material here.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:12 AM

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I'm a "Smoke" fan but IMO he played a MAJOR part in this kids death. I think Tony is in deep doo doo on this one. He's a good enough driver that he could have avoided the kid. I think he went over in his "usual" hot headed manner and cut it too close to the kid and clipped him. BOTH parties are at fault here, but I think Tony had better be "lawyering up" on this one.confused
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Posted: 8/10/2014 8:45 AM

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send2den wrote: I'm a "Smoke" fan but IMO he played a MAJOR part in this kids death. I think Tony is in deep doo doo on this one. He's a good enough driver that he could have avoided the kid. I think he went over in his "usual" hot headed manner and cut it too close to the kid and clipped him. BOTH parties are at fault here, but I think Tony had better be "lawyering up" on this one.confused
It certainly seems that way. Witness' are saying he gunned it to try to scare the driver and the rear end fish tailed. Stewarts reputation is not going to help him out here. If Stewart got out of a car and was hit by Earnhardt at a race, would people so easily dismiss the death as Stewart getting what he deserved? The nascar drivers do that all of the time.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 11:04 AM

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Pretty juvenile considering the stakes and the tons of steel you're in.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:09 PM

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Tony Stewart is a pro. He would never do something so stupid as to walk on to the track with moving cars and confront another driver!tongue If only he had been killed at some point when he did those things, Ward might still be alive this morning.   noidea  The YouTube video of him hitting Ward has to be a concern. 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwc8obMmv7o#t=67     (see the 1:00 mark)

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Posted: 8/10/2014 12:55 PM

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I'm really interested to see what happens with this from a criminal standpoint. I don't know much about race car driving, and even less about dirt track driving, but several other cars managed to not hit the kid and drag him 20 yards under their car. Throw in the eyewitness reports and Stewart's reputation, and he could find himself in some serious hot water. I've even read some comments on various blogs that Stewart may have had a GoPro camera on board, which could sink him even further. It's possible we'll never have enough credible evidence to know if this was more than an accident, but I think that if it turns out he made anything less than a complete effort to avoid Ward, he should be charged criminally.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:01 PM

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TheGainesShow wrote: I'm really interested to see what happens with this from a criminal standpoint. I don't know much about race car driving, and even less about dirt track driving, but several other cars managed to not hit the kid and drag him 20 yards under their car. Throw in the eyewitness reports and Stewart's reputation, and he could find himself in some serious hot water. I've even read some comments on various blogs that Stewart may have had a GoPro camera on board, which could sink him even further. It's possible we'll never have enough credible evidence to know if this was more than an accident, but I think that if it turns out he made anything less than a complete effort to avoid Ward, he should be charged criminally.
I kind of feel that way too, but will say that I do think what Stewart did (or may have done) was an accident. I think he probably tried to scare the guy, but on a dirt track, punching the gas on the turn is going to make the rear end slide. That's what makes that engine rev so damning for me. Stewart is no novice, but I don't think he expected that to happen. 

Anyhow, after a couple of exchanges on the other site, I have to take pause. I am seeing the video one way and other people that I really consider to be rational and I respect their opinions are seeing it another way. 

Just sucks that someone died over it. Drivers get out of their cars and have confrontations all the time. Maybe this will make the racing world that that sort of behavior more seriously?
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:22 PM

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Fat Boy is toast
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Posted: 8/10/2014 1:29 PM

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CardinalJunky wrote:
I kind of feel that way too, but will say that I do think what Stewart did (or may have done) was an accident. I think he probably tried to scare the guy, but on a dirt track, punching the gas on the turn is going to make the rear end slide. That's what makes that engine rev so damning for me. Stewart is no novice, but I don't think he expected that to happen.
I don't think he tried to hit him. I certainly don't think he wanted to kill him. But I just can't help thinking that if a regular guy on the street intentionally got close to someone else to try and scare him or send a message and ended up accidentally killing him, he would be charged with criminally for something.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:08 PM

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The dude walked in front of moving race cars in a black suit on a dimly lit dusty track.

Stewart was behind another guy who almost hit him, so he may not have even seen him until the second, if at all

I have a hard time believing there was any intent there. People saying he "hit the gas" don't realize that's a big part of controlling those cars on a dirt track (which is much different than you and I driving on a dry paved road)

Those cars are essentially out of control the entire time. The kid who got hit knew that as well as anyone and should've known better than to get onto the track while cars were still running

Everything I've seen posted from anyone with racing knowledge (even people who hate Stewart) said there wasn't much he could've done.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:21 PM

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Sadly, idiots don't learn lessons from other idiots, so I'm sure this will happen again.



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Posted: 8/10/2014 2:46 PM

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StayClassy wrote: The dude walked in front of moving race cars in a black suit on a dimly lit dusty track.

Stewart was behind another guy who almost hit him, so he may not have even seen him until the second, if at all

I have a hard time believing there was any intent there. People saying he "hit the gas" don't realize that's a big part of controlling those cars on a dirt track (which is much different than you and I driving on a dry paved road)

Those cars are essentially out of control the entire time. The kid who got hit knew that as well as anyone and should've known better than to get onto the track while cars were still running

Everything I've seen posted from anyone with racing knowledge (even people who hate Stewart) said there wasn't much he could've done.
Classy that would be a good argument if it were not for the fact that there was a caution and no other car was on their gas. The caution came out immediately and all the other cars had come off their speed and so did Stewart. That sound of the "rev" was isolated, he wasn't sustaining speed on that turn......there was no racing at that point. He hit the gas. For what reason? That's probably what needs to be answered.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:04 PM

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You guys are disgusting. I should've known better than to come here trying to find an informed opinion on this matter...

Hatters gon' hat.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:09 PM

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I'm a safety official for a major touring series. While I see a series of unfortunate decisions, I see "accident" written all over this. I think you guys are completely discounting how limited the drivers' field of vision is with safety devices such as the seats and the HANS limiting head movement. I'd be surprised if the other drivers who didn't hit him actually SAW him either. Keep your head straight, then put your hands on either side of your eyes like blinders. That's your field of vision using the HANS device in conjuncture with the seats IF YOU'RE LUCKY. Now, factor in the darkness of the track + the black fire suit the other kid was wearing...and yeah, it's easy to see how it could happen and not be intentional.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 3:54 PM

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The latest:

1) Stewart did NOT race today.
2) No criminal charges are pending.
3) No evidence of criminal intent or negligence.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:17 PM

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3rdandBlunder wrote: The latest:

1) Stewart did NOT race today.
2) No criminal charges are pending.
3) No evidence of criminal intent or negligence.
1) Probably, irrelevant from a legal standpoint.

2) Obviously. It just happened yesterday night. There will mostly like be a thorough investigation before any charges are brought in a case like this.

3) This is speculation at best, and flat out wrong at worst. "Criminal intent" isn't really a singular legal concept, and you can't definitively say that there is no evidence of negligence. Additionally, in most jurisdictions the mental states required for criminal liability are defined by statute and terms like "negligence" have very different criminal meanings than they do in their more commonly understood civil contexts. I don't know where this occurred or the laws in that state, but he could easily meet the requirements for 2nd degree manslaughter or 1st degree assault in Kentucky where the standard would be wanton behavior. Stewart is a known hothead who knocked Ward out of the race and was the clear object of Ward's frustrations in that moment. There is video and eyewitness statements supporting the notion that Stewart got close to Ward and hit the gas when other racers were avoiding him and throttling down for the caution. And that's just what's been published on sites like Deadspin. Who knows what track officials and authorities have access to at this point.

Ultimately, if I were Stewart I would "lawyer up" big time. The two offenses I mentioned earlier are C and B felonies in Kentucky. And there is nothing at all stopping Ward's family from suing him civilly for wrongful death or something like that. That video + eyewitnesses + his history/reputation = he's almost certainly going to get sued by someone, if not prosecuted criminally.
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Posted: 8/10/2014 5:24 PM

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CardinalJunky wrote:
StayClassy wrote: The dude walked in front of moving race cars in a black suit on a dimly lit dusty track.

Stewart was behind another guy who almost hit him, so he may not have even seen him until the second, if at all

I have a hard time believing there was any intent there. People saying he "hit the gas" don't realize that's a big part of controlling those cars on a dirt track (which is much different than you and I driving on a dry paved road)

Those cars are essentially out of control the entire time. The kid who got hit knew that as well as anyone and should've known better than to get onto the track while cars were still running

Everything I've seen posted from anyone with racing knowledge (even people who hate Stewart) said there wasn't much he could've done.
Classy that would be a good argument if it were not for the fact that there was a caution and no other car was on their gas. The caution came out immediately and all the other cars had come off their speed and so did Stewart. That sound of the "rev" was isolated, he wasn't sustaining speed on that turn......there was no racing at that point. He hit the gas. For what reason? That's probably what needs to be answered.

Stewart was behind another car.  If he gunned it, he'd have hit another car?  Did he gun it to try and avoid him?  Was he loose, and trying to get control of his car?  There are a ton of reasons he could have "revved" it

I don't know, but the incident occurred at a track with a ton of drivers, officials, and knowledgable fans.  If there were any signs of wrong doing, it'd be all over the news and witnesses would be crucifying him publicly.  It wasn't, only internet speculation the next day

Who knows what was in his head, but to decide a guy whose a  millionaire race owner with tons of people relying on him decided to commit a homicide based on nothing more than a bad opinion of him and grainy race video while no one who was there seems to think so seems harsh to me.  Call me crazy

Maybe something comes out later to prove he acted wrongly, but until then, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.  There's just not enough evidence to show otherwise
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