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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:02 AM

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I am so ready for winter to be over. I have started to think about my garden this year and where I will plant things. My options are somewhat limited, as I only have certain areas of my yard that get really good sun. With this said, what experience have you guys had with planting tomatoes in the same place on a yearly basis? I have read conflicting thoughts. Some say the tomatoes dissipate the soil over time and become disease prone. Others say that the soil can be easily amended and that the tomatoes will do fine. This would just be the second year in the same spot for my tomatoes.

Thoughts? Also, do you guys have any recommendations for good heirloom tomatoes that you have grown before? Last year I put in some Winsalls, which were huge and amazing on my BLTs. I also had some German Johnsons, which were great for fried green tomatoes.

Thanks.

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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:14 AM

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This will be my 3rd year in the same spot for my veggies. You need to turn your soil in fall, which I didnt do this year. Will get to it when it dries and warms a bit. Thinking about doing a soil test. I think you mail it in to the state for a nominal fee. Anyone ever done this?
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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:19 AM

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When you say turn the soil, do you mean with a tiller? To what depth?

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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:32 AM

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This will be my 10th year. Every winter, I dump bacon grease, hamburger grease, you name it, into the ground. Mix it with old plants, old tomatoes, and right before planting season I throw in some Miracle Grow vegetable garden mix. I hand till about eight inches in depth. My plants grow over my roof.

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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:35 AM

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I'm still a novice really but a shovel, hoe and/or hard rake will help to turn the bed over. Getting about a foot deep should be fine. If you have a tiller that would be easier but not necessary. Only spoils you really. Adding any additives like nitrogen and fertilizers can be done at the same time to mix it in really good. Soil test testing your ph will tell you what nutrients you need. Here is a useful site... http://www.organicgardening.co...mpost-soil/soil
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Posted: 2/22/2013 8:46 AM

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10 years, same spot.  Always large tomatoes.  I till the spot and put grass clippings and leaves on the spot in the fall.  I use Miracle Grow soil in the hole with the plant when I plant them.  Works great.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:44 AM

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The absolute best treatments usually involve adding aged manure or warm compost the fall before, letting the "heat" dissipate a bit.

In the end, realize that soil is just a medium - absolutely open to amendments of any kind. In Vancouver, we used to plant sod grass on top of 3 feet of washed sand, no soil added. It was wonderful for drainage and the roots would make it darn near to the entire 3 feet within a couple years. Tomatoes have far less intrusive roots, but they require a very loose, unbinding soil.

Adding amendments in Spring is cool if what you're looking for is some way to "loosen up" the dirt. Sand, some sort of water-retaining mulch, some lime, rock dust (Huge now in California as a "remineralizer" and trace material addition)........all work. But adding organic/bacteriological materials can lead to over-fertilizing or making too rich of a nitrogen field.

But your area should also be golden if they grew their last year. Hell, just lightly fertilize this season.

Your tomato choices sure sound delicious, lol. Let me recommend my own sinful indulgence I once grew in Reno - the Yellow Cherry Tomatoes may be the tastiest I have ever had.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 11:30 AM

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Rotating crops is mostly to keep balance in the soil. Different plants need different levels of nutrients and take from the soil accordingly. Leaving say a heavy nitrigen feeder in the same spot will eventually take its levels down. Then there is the whole pest and disease issue. Same plants, same bugs, better chance of problems.
But for most of us home gardeners that do a yearly admendment to the "patch", we revitalize the nutrient levels. Add the use of miracle grow and other juices and we usually cover what the soil doesnt have.
Also we dont have large enough gardens to really effect the bugs. If the corn is only 15 feet away from where it was last year, it wont matter. A lot of this theory is for larger scale operations.
There are charts for rotation. Following certain plants with other certain plants the next year. The native americans used this. They also have what is called the three sisters. Growing corn, with a bean, with a squash, all together.

On the poster who is adding cooking grease. We are usually told this is a no-no because of drawing animals, smell, disease, or how it slows the breaking down process in a compost pile or soils. I'm not sure what it would "add". I avoid meats and animal fats in my compost, but know people who do not worry about it. Large quanities no, small amounts, go for it. It will eventually decompose. 

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Posted: 2/22/2013 7:46 PM

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I just saw a Facebook post today about making your tomatoes sweeter by sprinkling baking soda around the plants.  That was a new one to me.



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Posted: 2/24/2013 8:30 AM

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Same spot for me for 10 years but I compost yard waste in my garden (no food, animals get in it) all fall and winter and turn it twice before planting. As for the baking soda, somehow that makes sense to me, not sure why.

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I just saw a Facebook post today about making your tomatoes sweeter by sprinkling baking soda around the plants.  That was a new one to me.

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Posted: 2/24/2013 8:44 AM

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Fresh top soil and manure are immensely helpful.
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Posted: 2/24/2013 11:25 AM

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Interesting........I had not encountered this, but baking soda seems solid as a sweetener -

From here:  http://www.thekitchn.com/garde...tomatoes-174895

"This season I went a little gung ho with the tomato plants, but I've been loving every tasty moment. One reason I love them so much this year is that I've been altering their acidity levels to make sweet tasty treats. If MacGyver had a garden...

... he would have done the same thing!

This season I've been following a simple routine. I fertilize with a natural fertilizer once a week and then on Fridays I sprinkle baking soda on the top of the soil surrounding the plant (making sure not to get any on the plant itself).

Although it seems silly, this simple garden trick really works. The baking soda absorbs into the soil and lowers its acidity levels giving you tomatoes that are more sweet than tart. Although I haven't done this with every plant on my patio, having a few extra sweet nuggets to mix into a fresh tomato salad has been a wonderful discovery!

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Posted: 2/24/2013 12:15 PM

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darthmathias wrote: 10 years, same spot.  Always large tomatoes.  I till the spot and put grass clippings and leaves on the spot in the fall.  I use Miracle Grow soil in the hole with the plant when I plant them.  Works great.
I use this process as well in putting leaves and grass clippings and till them in.

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Posted: 2/24/2013 1:21 PM

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cardsrbest wrote:
darthmathias wrote: 10 years, same spot.  Always large tomatoes.  I till the spot and put grass clippings and leaves on the spot in the fall.  I use Miracle Grow soil in the hole with the plant when I plant them.  Works great.
I use this process as well in putting leaves and grass clippings and till them in.
That sounds so solid, I might want to dine on that dirt instead of the stupid veggies, which I hate. tongue
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