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UK recruiting.

Posted: 7/2/2014 8:39 AM

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I read an article in the UK football recruiting propaganda machine (aka the Courier) that said UK has had commitments from 17 rivals 4 star players. They had 13 combined under Brooks and Joker. That's 13 combined in 10 years versus 17 in a year and a half, with absolutely no on field improvement to get recruits interested. The local media won't go anywhere near this, but that's as fishy as any recruiting result I've heard about in a long time. If you see Stoops on TV for 10 seconds, you know it sure isn't his dynamic personality.

I'll just say this: the last time they started getting some recruits who other schools wanted, they landed on probation. They were literally paying guys in Memphis.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 9:05 AM

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Until they find a coach who knows how to win, they're left with nothing but "jars of talent."


CatFansince73: Louisville could sign three quarterbacks like Teddy Bridgewater and still lose to UK by two or three touchdowns next year. 
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Posted: 7/2/2014 9:09 AM

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I'll care more about their recruiting if and when it ever shows a single result on the field.  I've heard tales of their recruiting prowess before.  I see where it got them.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 9:29 AM

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From Billy Hoyle, White Men Can't Jump,  with a little twist:

"A UofL fan wants to win first, look good second. A UK fan wants to look good first, win second......style over substance baby....that's what you are!!"



"We are on a collision course with a National Championship....the only variable is time."  

Schnellenberger-  1985

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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:29 AM

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Ohio is to Stoops what Florida was to Strong.

A friend of mines son is on UK's staff and I asked him about UK's recruiting success since Stoops was hired.   He told me the largest part of the upswing is simply concentrating on the state of Ohio.   Said if you just compare how many players Brooks and Phillips got out of that state to what Stoops already has you will see how their recruiting has improved, despite the results on the field.    Cincinnati being left behind in conference realignment doesn't hurt either.   

Results matter though and Stoops has to start winning for that recruiting angle to continue.   Regardless of how they do on the field though I certainly wish we had as strong a foothold in Ohio as UK currently does.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:32 AM

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I would guess that's the $ec's problem...????     Because Bobby will ALWAYS beat them like they stole something!!


....If they do somehow are able to win more conference games then they HELP our SOS so I'm fine with that.noidea
FLossY out....
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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:37 AM

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Ryan Mossakowski
Morgan Newton
Patrick Towles

There's three 4 star players that went to UK and left with sales jobs @ Glenn Freedom Chrysler.  Plenty more out of those 17 are sure to follow in their footsteps.

UK = Pre-Season and recruiting champions of the world, every year.  Paper champions.  Wake me up when they win more than 4 games.

 

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Posted: 7/2/2014 11:59 AM

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Northeast players... meh
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:01 PM

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we'll see how many of those 4 stars make it to campus.  Sandy Bell's replacements better be good is all i can say.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:11 PM

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TheTrainIsRollin wrote: Ryan Mossakowski
Morgan Newton
Patrick Towles

There's three 4 star players that went to UK and left with sales jobs @ Glenn Freedom Chrysler.  Plenty more out of those 17 are sure to follow in their footsteps.

UK = Pre-Season and recruiting champions of the world, every year.  Paper champions.  Wake me up when they win more than 4 games.
I think Towles is the frontrunner to be starter for them this year.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:15 PM

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Ok, then replace Towles with Drew Barker wink


wastra wrote:
TheTrainIsRollin wrote: Ryan Mossakowski
Morgan Newton
Patrick Towles

There's three 4 star players that went to UK and left with sales jobs @ Glenn Freedom Chrysler.  Plenty more out of those 17 are sure to follow in their footsteps.

UK = Pre-Season and recruiting champions of the world, every year.  Paper champions.  Wake me up when they win more than 4 games.
I think Towles is the frontrunner to be starter for them this year.

 

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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:16 PM

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UofL has done very well recruiting Ohio dating all the way back to Petrino's first stint.  Even Kragthorpe got some decent players out of Ohio.

In my opinion, it was the Florida players that took us to the next level.


CatFansince73: Louisville could sign three quarterbacks like Teddy Bridgewater and still lose to UK by two or three touchdowns next year. 
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:19 PM

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In most instances I would take a 3* out of Florida over a 4* from any other state except TX

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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:23 PM

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Sandy Bell, the only compliance director I know by name, has LEFT UK?

What happened?
garycard77 wrote: we'll see how many of those 4 stars make it to campus.  Sandy Bell's replacements better be good is all i can say.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:28 PM

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When Stops was hired Sandy's job became too overloaded. So makes you wonder why it was wasn't so bad when Joker was at the helm? After Stoops was hired Brainfart hired 2 NCAA compliance workers for his staff because sandy was suddenly overloaded. Their job is to focus on the football recruits. Can you connect the dots?
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:49 PM

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Looking at a couple of Ohio players who are presently four stars on some sites I found that virtually none of them were actually recruited by OSU. The same goes for Georgia. The final numbers for last year on Scout showed only 13 hundreds of a star difference between UL and UK. They were only ranked high because of sheer numbers. (27) Remember we lost a few players because of Charlie leaving.

There were a couple of averages for the last five years between UL and UK of the major sites. The findings showed UL and UK in a virtual tie in terms of strength of recruiting. That's six years of recruiting now and look at the results on field and attention nationally and you see that they are diametrically opposed to us. The strength difference of .13 stars between Bobby and "The other brother will easily be made up by our coaching. UK's five year losses of players, is at a three to one ratio worse than ours, suggests that either they recruited too much trash or players couldn't stand getting pounded on weekly. For about the 15th year in a row NFL players from both programs will show a UL edge.

One point in recruting is that UL has always been able to recruit more skilled players, especially under Bobby. Once the season starts and UL starts showing off it's 400-500 yards offense things will call even more in UL's favor even if we don't win 23 games in a two season span and because of more ACC exposure. We will probably see that the opportunities to start right away will not be enough to drag true four star players to Lexington anymore. In spite of their so called great class last year, they still finished tenth in the SEC if you judge by average star ratings.

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UofL has done very well recruiting Ohio dating all the way back to Petrino's first stint.  Even Kragthorpe got some decent players out of Ohio.

In my opinion, it was the Florida players that took us to the next level.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 1:16 PM

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4 star mid-USA & NE-USA players always look like great 4-star players...in high school when they play against each other...

How many of them have been on the winning side of the Florida/Alabama/Georgia, ie, SE players in college?  I remember Ohio State was supposedly a world-beater last year...until they lost to a decent Michigan team, and then again to a 3rd place ACC team (Clemson) in their bowl game.

How many Big 10/Big 12 teams have won national championships, or beaten a top 10 team in their bowl game in the past 10 years.  I'd be willing to bet it isn't as high as they'd like to think.

I'll take a 3 star from Georgia/Florida/Alabama over a 4 star from Ohio or the northeast almost any day of the week.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 1:43 PM

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Stoops has taken recruiting to another level so far at Kentucky.  His first season he pulled in the 29th ranked class and the # 18 class last year according to Rivals.  So far Kentucky is sitting at #19 and doing very well for 2015.  I think it is a no brainer that Stoops and staff are better coaches than the past two staffs it will just take some time.  stars aside it is much better to look who has offered a kid to get the true idea of how good he is.  Consistently Stoops is going head to head with the best programs in America and winning rec battles for kids not from the state of Kentucky, as seen this past weekend by two huge gets out of the DC area including Darius Fullwood who held an offer from Bama, Fla State and Ohio State.

Next up is George Brown from Ohio who is lock to pick the Cats.  He has a whos who of college football offer sheet

If it continues to go this well in recruiting there is no reason Kentucky can't be a solid 7-8 win team consistently.

Cheers and congrats on the ACC!

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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:04 PM

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musclecat03 wrote: ...I think it is a no brainer that Stoops and staff are better coaches than the past two staffs...
Just curious what makes it a "no brainer" that they are better coaches than the past two?
Is it the two wins against Miami (OH) and Alabama State and Zero wins against against BCS teams? How does that translate to "better?"

2013: Beat FCS teams Miami (OH) and Alabama State; Lost to FCS team WKU. Scoring Margin: 229-326
2012: Beat FCS teams Kent State & Samford; Lost to FCS team WKU. Scoring Margin: 215-372
2011: Beat FCS teams WKU, Central Michigan & Jacksonville State; Beat BCS Ole Miss & Tennessee. Scoring Margin: 190-296

Looks a lot like "more of the same" to me, so you must be measuring something intangible, like sideline demeanor, cleaver catch-phrases like "Yahtzee," post-game presser zingers or fictional attendance numbers or something.

Or maybe you meant better "recruiters"... because clearly from a "coaching" standpoint, there's very little tangible difference.

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Posted: 7/2/2014 2:55 PM

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Did you happen to watch any Kentucky games last season to see what Stoops and company were working with?  To start, at QB you had Whitlow who rarely played the position in HS and Max Smith who if not for Kentucky would have not any any div 1 offers coming from Juco.  Then you get into the WR situation left behind that was borderline EKU material.

Stoops deserved a few years to get his players situated.  To compare his coaching ability off of the disaster left behind isnt fair.
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