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"Charlie Strong's Poor First Impression"

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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:01 PM

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Another anti-Strong article over at ESPN. I'm not an Insider, so I can't read the whole thing, but it included these gems:

"Those in attendance didn't seem impressed by Strong’s time on the stage. Maybe it was coincidence, but someone let out a loud laugh just as Strong wrapped.

“I think everyone was shocked. It was that bad,” one coach told me later."

Hope Charlie's having fun in Texas. Must be nice to go from a place where he was universally loved and respected to a town where sports writers are laughing at him during press conferences.

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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/travis-haney/post? id=2606

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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:08 PM

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The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:12 PM

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The grass is always greener.  These guys get fantasies in their heads about themselves and where they need to be relative to where they are.  As such they develop a massive blind spot to the elements beyond them that have played no small role in their success.  

I remember the infamous quote from Petrino to Jurich, "I'm hot" with respect to his duplicitous and deceitful job hunting while signing contracts and falsely committing to the program.  It is all about them, everything they want regardless of those around them who are effected by their decisions.  The successes they've had give them a sense of being a master of the universe and as they say pride comes before the fall.  

I don't wish ill on Charlie Strong, I think we came out ahead.  That said, his departure for Texas and his demeanor and attitude toward Louisville point toward all of this being a decision that he will regret as an older and wiser man just as more than a few coaches have before him.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:18 PM

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If he wins and delivers bowl results the way he did for us, much of this criticism will subside.

You cite Bellichek; all he's done is win multiple Super-Bowls and approach an undefeated season for the first time in nearly half a century.

If Strong approaches that in Texas, I agree, his public performances will be diminished in importance.

All Mack Brown did was win Texas it's first National Championship in living memory within the past decade, and that wasn't enough to save him, despite his good will and facility with the media and fans.

I can only imagine what kind of record he'll need if he says something like this in Austin:

“Not to add salt to the wound, but A&M can travel with the Aggies and that 12th man, they go take over. We should have that same passion here.” 
MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:18 PM

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MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
Charlie's problem is that he has no ability to mitigate any shortcomings on the field with an off field persona.  Comparing him to Bill Bellichek is a reach at best.  

Most honest people on these boards recognized that without Bridgewater Louisville struggles to .500 seasons the last several years despite having NFL caliber talent peppering the roster as this last draft proved.  That is not saying much for our staff coming from the American.  

The games that we truly dominated were more often than not either the first game of the season or the bowl game.  Everything else seemed to be in question well into the second half if it wasn't a buy game.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:31 PM

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THANK YOU! And we'll stated..

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The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 2:33 PM

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Maybe he'll come back in a few years as our DC?
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Posted: 6/26/2014 2:38 PM

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He couldnt turn down the money or the chance to coach one of the elite programs in football.  That said, he couldve used a few more years in Louisville/ACC to prove himself as a head coach, beyond the Bridgewater years.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 2:39 PM

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Wow, lol. It makes you wonder wtf they were looking for.

I watched his opening press conference and he did well, imo.

What a strange thing to read.

Ask the players what they think. You'd think they mattered just a little wouldn't you? Jeez, talk about a bunch of entitled writers and media jerks, lol.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:15 PM

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our program was a complete program, not just a video game offense with Teddy throwing it all over the place. The defense didn't just mail it in as evident by the draft. 
KyCardinal wrote:
MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
Charlie's problem is that he has no ability to mitigate any shortcomings on the field with an off field persona.  Comparing him to Bill Bellichek is a reach at best.  

Most honest people on these boards recognized that without Bridgewater Louisville struggles to .500 seasons the last several years despite having NFL caliber talent peppering the roster as this last draft proved.  That is not saying much for our staff coming from the American.  

The games that we truly dominated were more often than not either the first game of the season or the bowl game.  Everything else seemed to be in question well into the second half if it wasn't a buy game.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:18 PM

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Lol @ this white knight.



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THANK YOU! And we'll stated..

 

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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:44 PM

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MEHATEME wrote: He couldnt turn down the money or the chance to coach one of the elite programs in football.  That said, he couldve used a few more years in Louisville/ACC to prove himself as a head coach, beyond the Bridgewater years.
I Disagree.


The Froman/Burke year proved that he can make a player more than!!   And you HAVE to strike will the Iron's hot if he wanted that job.
FlossY out...
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Posted: 6/26/2014 3:49 PM

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MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
Belichick doesn't have to schmooze recruits, high school coaches, boosters or the media. Chuckles needs to do all of those at Texas. Terrible comparison.

Mack Brown averaged right at 10 wins per season and was on the hot seat many times throughout his tenure. Winning is not enough in Austin. They are worse than UK basketball fans in that regard.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 4:02 PM

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We only love coaches when they win and we only hate them when they lose.  Fans only scream "loyalty" when a winning coach leaves.  We certainly, as fans, aren't wanting to be "loyal" to a coach not winning.  I suspect no matter how "loyal" Kraggy felt towards Louisville, we weren't going to keep him.  Same for if a coach thinks they have a better opportunity elsewhere.  Strong's approach with the media with be endearing to Texas fans if he wins, and it'll be another nail in the coffin if he doesn't.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 4:12 PM

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Well? It was horrible with a lot of mistakes.

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Wow, lol. It makes you wonder wtf they were looking for.

I watched his opening press conference and he did well, imo.

What a strange thing to read.

Ask the players what they think. You'd think they mattered just a little wouldn't you? Jeez, talk about a bunch of entitled writers and media jerks, lol.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 4:23 PM

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Agree with much of your post but.......

Personality is going to be irrelevant.  If he wins 10 games, they will love him and overlook his personality challenges (like our fanbase did biggrin).  if he loses 4-6 games, they are going to want to run him out-of-town.

His real problem is he is not a great coach and cannot make adequate in-season and in-game improvements.  He also is not able to pull the trigger on necessary staff changes-he apparently goes into denial about changes that need to be made.

Can the massive resources of Texas, his work ethic/leadership skills and his good ability to recruit overcome his weaknesses? I don't think so.  

3 and out IMO.
KyCardinal wrote:
MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
Charlie's problem is that he has no ability to mitigate any shortcomings on the field with an off field persona.  Comparing him to Bill Bellichek is a reach at best.  

Most honest people on these boards recognized that without Bridgewater Louisville struggles to .500 seasons the last several years despite having NFL caliber talent peppering the roster as this last draft proved.  That is not saying much for our staff coming from the American.  

The games that we truly dominated were more often than not either the first game of the season or the bowl game.  Everything else seemed to be in question well into the second half if it wasn't a buy game.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 4:32 PM

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LOL, not at anybody on this Board, but generally.

I'm reminded of a coach named Nick Saban after the being clobbered 30-20, at Michigan St., by a Soph QB named Redman, by a team coached by one of our worst coaches - Cooper. So, you never know who is gonna make it(Saban), or in Coop's case -not.
KyCardinal wrote: The grass is always greener.  These guys get fantasies in their heads about themselves and where they need to be relative to where they are.  As such they develop a massive blind spot to the elements beyond them that have played no small role in their success.  


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Posted: 6/26/2014 6:07 PM

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CaptCardinal wrote: If he wins and delivers bowl results the way he did for us, much of this criticism will subside.


I'm sure they'd love a Sugar Bowl, but I don't think any of the other 3 bowls on a consistent basis would be acceptable to a lot of Texas fans.  They want to be back to getting close to the 4 BCS bowls they had from 2004-2009.  Our last four bowl games isn't close to that.  I bowl win (any bowl win) can cause fans to forget a lot, but I bet Texas fans won't be happy with just any bowl wins very long.



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Posted: 6/26/2014 6:19 PM

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LosAngelesCard wrote: Agree with much of your post but.......

Personality is going to be irrelevant.  If he wins 10 games, they will love him and overlook his personality challenges (like our fanbase did biggrin).  if he loses 4-6 games, they are going to want to run him out-of-town.

His real problem is he is not a great coach and cannot make adequate in-season and in-game improvements.  He also is not able to pull the trigger on necessary staff changes-he apparently goes into denial about changes that need to be made.

Can the massive resources of Texas, his work ethic/leadership skills and his good ability to recruit overcome his weaknesses? I don't think so.  

3 and out IMO.
KyCardinal wrote:
MiltandLancaster wrote: The proof on whether he can do the job or not will be decided on the football field and not at a bunch of pep rallies and interviews. Bill Bilichek is one of the most boring individuals I've seen do an interview..he just isn't give you much but boy is the guy a winner. I don't get the side animosity towards Strong. He had a very good record here with some marquee wins in bowl games and had to deal with a crappy schedule last year which wasn't his fault. I understand the fact his offense was boring as s h * t  but again...let the numbers speak for themselves before they/we crucify him over a lackluster public speaking event.
Charlie's problem is that he has no ability to mitigate any shortcomings on the field with an off field persona.  Comparing him to Bill Bellichek is a reach at best.  

Most honest people on these boards recognized that without Bridgewater Louisville struggles to .500 seasons the last several years despite having NFL caliber talent peppering the roster as this last draft proved.  That is not saying much for our staff coming from the American.  

The games that we truly dominated were more often than not either the first game of the season or the bowl game.  Everything else seemed to be in question well into the second half if it wasn't a buy game.

You guys are delusional and butt hurt because he left us the way he did.  It's time for me to rant!

#1 He was a great coach who make "adequate in season, in game changes."  He was 23-3 the last 2 years after making a major change mid season when he made Shawn Watson OC--after bringing him in to replace a guy from year one.  His teams got BETTER as the season went on not worse.  Who thought we were going to win the big east 3 years ago, after we thumped WVU @ WVU their place.  Raise your hand if you thought his mid season changes were only adequate that year. 

#2  So CCS had shortcomings-- WTF does not?  Ok so we lost 3 games that most of us feel we should have won in the last two years.  Outstanding QB who was a sophomore, lost two games.  One to Syracuse who has never lost a home sr day game... ok, and another to U Conn when the QB broke his wrist.  OMG the Coach is so horrible.  He cant coach the Off like CBP whine, whine, whine your asses off bc we didn't play for the NC.  We ALL knew we had a defense first coach, so WTF did we expect him to be any different.  Whats the expression?  Offense Wins?  I think not.  Oh and we lost the UCF game in the final minute, when they apparently were red hot and their QB was drafted #3--regardless of how pitiful we think he is, other professionals do not.  It's not like CBP did not lose to Memphis and South Florida when we were expected to crush is it?  Oh yes that is quite different.

#3  he couldn't win without TB?  Such a dumb f'ing statement.  Could Nick Saban win without AJ McCarron Ha Ha Clinton Dix, his great o-lines or his RBs? Or all the talent he has on his defense?  Oh wait yes he can't win without talent either..  So by that standard since Nick Saban could not win without his best player he must suck too.  Great.
Well why did TB come to Louisville?  I'm sure CCS or his staff had nothing to do with that, right.  Plus CCS is good at getting the best out of players and turning them into future Pros.  See Bilal Powel, TB, Calvin Pryor.  It's not like a kid goes to college and the pro potential just comes from nowhere.  Hell TB could have been a WR if he went to another school.

Too bad CCS did not recruit any other talent or else we might expect CBP to win 10 or 11 games....  Oh wait we do?  Quit whining and realize that CCS would have won with the talent we have this year too, because he knows how to prepare his team to play his defense first strategy. 

#4 the games we truly dominated were the first or the last?  Correct but not making your point.  This shows that CCS could prepare his team to outperform their expectation--which is good coaching.  He could hide our weaknesses and take advantage of his opponents when given enough time.  We praise CBP for doing this yet attack CCS for the same thing.., AMAZING! 

Some of you ppl spouting this crap about strong have an agenda to hate on strong.  Give it up!  He is and should be remembered as one of our top 3 coaches who have coached here.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 6:24 PM

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PJM3414 wrote:
He is and should be remembered as one of our top 3 coaches who have coached here.
I agree with that. Not a particularly high standard, though. I mean, besides Howard and Bobby, that really only has him beating out John L. and Lee Corso. Fine coaches both, but not exactly Hall of Fame candidates for their work on the sidelines.
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