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Charlie Strong or Bobby Petrino vs FSU?

Posted: 6/26/2014 11:05 AM

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Anyone up for a convo to pass the time?

We can all agree October's match-up with FSU is going to be epic, regardless of the result. I think very few of us are counting this as a win, but it got me thinking. If you had your choice, who would you pick to coach in this game?

Petrino obviously scores points and wins games, but FSU's talent and experience is above ours. The last thing I want to see is us in a shootout against Winston and Jimbo. I will admit I was not a UofL advocate back when Petrino was first here, so I am not the most familiar with Petrino's resume in underdog games like this. 

I think I would pick Strong. The type of game he plays would be beneficial in this game. Play slow offense, hold the ball keeping Winston on the sideline, and hard nosed in your face defense that breaks the will of the offense. Strong against West Virginia, Florida and Miami prevailed using this method. I think I would be more confident in him going into this game based solely on the type of matchup he would present as opposed to trying to outscore FSU.

Thoughts?

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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:27 AM

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Bobby by a mile.  We have arguably the best offensive mind in college football as our head coach.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:32 AM

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Do we get to include the last half of the UCF game in our qualitative assessments of Coach Strong's coaching?

The fact is, anyone who plays FSU has to "hang on to their butts" - in Samuel Jackson parlance - in any galaxy. Winston seems more efficient than a cash register.

The Charlie who coached our Bowl Teams might win this game. The Charlie who underfed Teddy, would not.

BobbyP remains an absolute unknown in terms of what he has learned since his last visit here.

Personally, I think either coach could give FSU a good ballgame. Winning, however, might be a different story.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:32 AM

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If Winston starts out slow like he's done before in big games, if all goes for well both teams up until that point, it'll be a big game, we'll need to score a lot of points as fast as possible. When Winston gets his mojo going, it'll be very hard to stop FSU. With the loss of some very good dbs its offense that'll win this game. And thats where Petrino is the obvious choice.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:32 AM

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Agree with Bobby by a mile. Bobby has had some pretty good defenses, but his game planning is second to none.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:37 AM

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Petrino is a perfectionist with two weeks leading up to the FSU match up. I like our chances. Charlie stood there watching the clock hoping we could hold on. Both guys liked to run first during the tenure here, regardless of Petrino's national image. He wants to control all phases of the game. I will take the perfectionist.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:40 AM

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Both have lost close games.


Both have won BIG games.


One is a Offensive Guru!


One is a Defensive Juggernaut!


Both are BCS  Victor's for us.




......So I will chose,..... BOTH!
FLossY out...
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:48 AM

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hrflossy wrote: Both have lost close games.


Both have won BIG games.


One is a Offensive Guru!


One is a Defensive Juggernaut!


Both are BCS  Victor's for us.




......So I will chose,..... BOTH!
FLossY out...
^  This,  for those who want to point out Charlie's games against UCF 2nd half,  I remember a WVU game & a Rutgers game where Bobby did not do so well 2nd half either.  In a perfect world I would take Bobby coaching offense & Charlie coaching defense & John L coaching special teams.  I win!!!!!
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Posted: 6/26/2014 11:53 AM

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TXCARD86 wrote:
 In a perfect world I would take Bobby coaching offense & Charlie coaching defense & John L coaching special teams.  I win!!!!!
WOW!!!eek  




I want that team as well!!!tongue
FLossY out...
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:01 PM

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Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:05 PM

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twiggy502 wrote: Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
......that happens to EVERY coach.   noidea


Charlie and Bobby are no exceptions.   Both have evidence of horrible halftime adjustments. (You coach long enough it will happen to you.)
FLossY out...
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:14 PM

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twiggy502 wrote: Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
Yeah those WVU teams were the best scorers I can recall UofL playing, no comparison to anyone Strong faced offensively. UCF was a collective brain cramp on OUR field. Rutgers put Brohm's slow decision making on display that the NFL killed. All he had to do was check down against those blitzes and IMO that is what sent Jeff over the edge on the sidelines. The only real WTF game during Petrino's tenure I can remember was Deangelo Williams running wild for Memphis.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:14 PM

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hrflossy wrote:
twiggy502 wrote: Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
......that happens to EVERY coach.   noidea


Charlie and Bobby are no exceptions.   Both have evidence of horrible halftime adjustments. (You coach long enough it will happen to you.)
FLossY out...
we'll see how charlies game management works out in the big 12. I ain't saying Petrino didn't make mistakes, but he did coach against stiffer competition. That was my point, other than that UCF wasn't the only example of where charlie got out coached in the second half of a game.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 12:53 PM

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Simplistically, as has been stated,

We've just experienced elite defensive coaching and game planning.

We're about to have the second act of elite offensive coaching from a man who takes a fan's mentality to scoring in spectacular fashion.

The variable for both is special teams.  Why a defensive coach like Strong did not emphasize special teams excellence is beyond me.  Petrino always seemed to have disciplined special teams that made things happen, although I don't know quite how the stats stack up.

The intriguing element is how well Strong did in bowl games. Our one loss was the near-road game loss in the Belk Bowl to NC State, and even that defeat was honorable.

Considering that it's FSU and at home, I'd favor Petrino.  Any way you slice it, for whatever reason, we played below expectations at home under Strong.  How we seemed to play better on the road and in bowls under him continues to puzzle me.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:18 PM

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I'll take BP'S Offense vs CCS D to battle FSU..This offense could jump out and play in the lead since Noles and Winston are somewhat slow coming out of the gate! cardinalcheer.gif
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:29 PM

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twiggy502 wrote: Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
This is something I will always come back to when considering the Strong era.  During the regular season it seems like we go in with a game plan week to week and we make no adjustments.  We simply try to impose our will on the opposition.  This is what created the environment for some of the head scratching losses and kept many games that we should have dominated in question late into the second half.  Using last season as an example, our best games of the season were our first and last.  To me this speaks to the marginal quality of the staff.  We were out talent-ing other programs and not out coaching or scheming them.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:39 PM

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Dude you just a hater... so I'm guessing this statement of "out talent-ing and not out coaching" holds well against Florida and Miami? No it doesn't!
I specifically remember Florida head coach saying "I got out coached"
Well I see that you edited your post. So I'm guessing you realized yourself.
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twiggy502 wrote: Theres more games we could point at where charlie let things go in the second half. UNC a few years back is another example.  Bulk of floridas points in the sugar bowl happened in the second half. Charlie has a hell of a game plan but when other coaches make adjustments, charlie doesn't, or goes into prevent mode to burn the clock and protect his lead.  That works against sub-par teams, FSU ain't sub par. Rutgers and WVU were better than any team we faced in the AAC.
This is something I will always come back to when considering the Strong era.  During the regular season it seems like we go in with a game plan week to week and we make no adjustments.  We simply try to impose our will on the opposition.  This is what created the environment for some of the head scratching losses and kept many games that we should have dominated in question late into the second half.  Using last season as an example, our best games of the season were our first and last.  To me this speaks to the marginal quality of the staff.  We were out talent-ing other programs and not out coaching or scheming them.

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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:46 PM

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Man I thought this would be a little more even. You all are making me very excited to witness this newest Bobby Era.

I forgot about him having two weeks to game plan for FSU; THAT is a major bonus for Petrino.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 1:48 PM

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I'll go with Petrino. I suspect that Charlie would be a bit distracted by his duties at Texas.
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Posted: 6/26/2014 2:00 PM

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if its a shoot out I like our chances with cbp's offense
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