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UK almost did what UofL is doing.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 12:05 PM

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http://www.kentucky.com/2014/0...emlnl=PM_update


What is interesting to note is that at the time the ACC was superior to the SEC in revenue. One of the big reasons FSU joined the conference. This is not mentioned in any of these articles.


 

On July 1, the tectonic plates beneath college sports in the commonwealth will shift when the University of Louisville joins the Atlantic Coast Conference.

It's hard to overstate how important membership in the ACC — which Tom Jurich outmaneuvered Connecticut to attain — is to U of L. Being in the ACC secures a place for Louisville in one of the "Big Five" college sports leagues — the Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC are the other four — at the exact time when there are rumblings that those conferences could separate from the rest of college athletics in some form.

Given the scalding intensity of U of L's rivalry with the University of Kentucky, it is of historical interest to note that it was once UK in talks with the Atlantic Coast Conference's top officials about joining that league.

In the 1990s, during C.M. Newton's tenure as Kentucky athletics director and Charles Wethington's time as UK president, Kentucky had exploratory talks about leaving the SEC for the ACC.

"We talked to them very seriously, but very quietly," Newton said last week. "Dr. Wethington had me go over and talk to them for a short period one evening."

Among the officials he met with, Newton said, were then-ACC Commissioner Gene Corrigan and then-Duke Athletics Director Tom Butters.

"They wanted us to come on and join their league," Newton said. "I thought, with the way (UK) football was (struggling in the SEC), that might have been the best path for us. I always felt like (Florida State) was an SEC school in the ACC and Kentucky an ACC school in the SEC."

Even now, reigning national champion FSU is a football-first school in a league historically known for the primacy of its men's hoops. Coming off three Final Four trips in the past four seasons, UK still carries the reputation of a "basketball school" in a football-crazed league.

In the 1990s, Newton said the powers that be at Kentucky, a founding member of the SEC, decided it was best not to unmoor UK from its traditional league home.

(Newton, 84, has had ample health issues in recent months, including surgery as a result of bladder cancer that was then followed by complications from infection. If you are praying for ex-UK basketball player Todd Svoboda in his battle with bone cancer, you might want to add the former UK AD and Transylvania University basketball coach to your list.)

Working off memory "of things that happened 20 years ago," Newton said he does not believe finances were the big reason UK said no to the ACC to stay in the SEC.

"We didn't do a detailed financial analysis, as I remember it," Newton said. "But we did talk about it, and it seemed we could do about as well then financially (as being in the SEC)."

Based on competitive factors in football and men's basketball, I have long thought the ACC would have been the most natural fit for Kentucky.

It would have placed the UK football program — which has produced a winning SEC record a whopping seven times since the league began in 1933, and not at all since 1977 — in a conference where it would have had a more realistic shot to succeed.

Kentucky men's hoops would gain the exciting challenge of playing in a league with fellow college basketball luminaries North Carolina and Duke.

In fairness, there are now — and were in the 1990s — strong reasons for UK to remain in the SEC. Tradition, financial security and league stability are three.

Still, starting this fall, it will be Louisville football playing in a league with enough major foes — FSU, Clemson, Miami if it ever gets its act back together — to be attractive yet not so many as to be crushing.

In the years ahead, it will be the red-and-black set in the KFC Yum Center that will get a diet of league games with North Carolina, Duke, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc. ...

Unless Mark Stoops makes UK football competitive in the SEC in a way no Wildcats coach other than Bear Bryant (22-18-4 in league contests from 1946-53) has ever done, Louisville in the ACC is apt to provide a more enjoyable payback on its fans' emotional investment than UK in the SEC does for Cats backers.

Had things gone differently in the 1990s, that might not be the case.

"There were a lot of ways in which I thought (UK moving to) the ACC made sense," Newton said. "... But, at the end of the day, it's just doggone tough for a school to leave the SEC."


Read more here: http://www.kentucky.com/2014/06/19/3300120/mark-st ory-uk-once-had-talks-to.html#emlnl=PM_update#stor ylink=cpy
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Posted: 6/21/2014 1:18 PM

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Unless Mark Stoops makes UK football competitive in the SEC in a way no Wildcats coach other than Bear Bryant (22-18-4 in league contests from 1946-53) has ever done, Louisville in the ACC is apt to provide a more enjoyable payback on its fans' emotional investment than UK in the SEC does for Cats backers.

That is the truest and most humorous thing about Louisville's move to the ACC.  Cayut fans can't STAND that we're moving to a legitimate conference because they know what it means, and they know full well that we're going to fair better in the ACC than they do in the SEC in all of our sports...and when it comes to their beloved basketball, they know too that OUR basketball program will be playing on a much grander stage against a better undisputed schedule year in and year out.  SEC Football is too hard for UK and their basketball too small time.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 1:51 PM

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One big difference:

We're stepping up in competition, they were trying to run from it

That's why they're perennial losers. They are looking for short cuts and won't make the effort to get better by hard work & investment
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Posted: 6/21/2014 2:31 PM

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StayClassy wrote: One big difference:

We're stepping up in competition, they were trying to run from it

That's why they're perennial losers. They are looking for short cuts and won't make the effort to get better by hard work & investment
This. 

When it comes down to it, a lot of UK fans cry and complain that they play football in such a tough league. Well, too bad. You don't hear the other schools whining, they find a way to win. Being in a very competitive league is such a good opportunity to raise your programs stature into national prominence. Louisville has had a problem cracking the glass in football because of the conference affiliations. Well, that's not the case any more and all of us are excited about it, not wanting to run from it. 

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. UK fans are the opposite of that. They want to have it all for just being who they are. They fear competition. I bet we don't see them taking on WKU any time soon on the gridiron! All was good when they thought they had easy wins.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 3:50 PM

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CardinalJunky wrote:
StayClassy wrote: One big difference:

We're stepping up in competition, they were trying to run from it

That's why they're perennial losers. They are looking for short cuts and won't make the effort to get better by hard work & investment
This. 

When it comes down to it, a lot of UK fans cry and complain that they play football in such a tough league. Well, too bad. You don't hear the other schools whining, they find a way to win. Being in a very competitive league is such a good opportunity to raise your programs stature into national prominence. Louisville has had a problem cracking the glass in football because of the conference affiliations. Well, that's not the case any more and all of us are excited about it, not wanting to run from it. 

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. UK fans are the opposite of that. They want to have it all for just being who they are. They fear competition. I bet we don't see them taking on WKU any time soon on the gridiron! All was good when they thought they had easy wins.

Exactly

Take Mizzou.  They have no advantages on paper over UK.  In fact, they were almost left behind when the Big 12 almost fell apart.

So what do they do with their new opportunity?  Nearly run the table and win UKs division (the same one UK hasn't had a winning record in nearly 40 years) within 2 seasons.

They have no advantages over UK in terms of recruiting base, money or anything.  They simply put  more effort and investment into their program

Vandy has an excuse.  Prestigious academic school in a semi urban setting with a small enrollment and smaller alumni base

While Fla, Georgia, Bama, LSU, etc clearly have advantages, UK has just as much opportunity as schools like Ole Miss, Miss St, S Carolina, Arkansas, etc.  Yet all those schools have been respectable for a long time and every few years put together a decent run.  Why is it that every single SEC school (except arguably Vandy) can do it, but UK can't?
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Posted: 6/21/2014 4:57 PM

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The acc is who lucked out. You avoided a fanbase that is one of the most racist and has one of the lowest educational attainment and per capita income levels in the country. Trust me, you don't want to be around those people
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Posted: 6/21/2014 5:05 PM

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CardTopper wrote: The acc is who lucked out. You avoided a fanbase that is one of the most racist and has one of the lowest educational attainment and per capita income levels in the country. Trust me, you don't want to be around those people
This is why I keep saying WVU was NEVER gonna get invited to the ACC no matter what they've deluded themselves into believing
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Posted: 6/21/2014 5:58 PM

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Was not aware of this, but think about how well its decision worked out for UofL.

If UK was already in the ACC when all of the conference expansion began a few years ago, UofL would probably be in the SEC right now. We would have been the most logical team to fill the void and there would not be a UK "blackball" against us joining. Not that I ever wanted UofL to be in the SEC, but we were definitely looking for a life raft during conference expansion and the SEC would have been better than the BigXII (or whatever it is now with only 10 teams).

Again, a boneheaded decision by UK that works out best for UofL. Can't make this stuff up.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 6:47 PM

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Interesting stuff.   Have to wonder if UK was ever seriously considered for the ACC when Maryland left.   That would have been their chance to bolt.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 7:23 PM

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What's surprised me the most about the ACC has been the respect and support from each of the ACC institutions. It's been truly incredible. It's over for UK. If they couldn't beat us while they were raking in millions more plus playing in a better conference they aren't going to touch us now. They couldn't beat Bobby P while he was at Western and now they think they will dominate us.? Ain't gonna happen. UK is a bball schooll and we're in the premiere bball league. Has to be killing them. As far as them sucking in football don't wanna here any excuses. They are a founding member of the SEC. Bryant, Schnelly worked there. Suck is suck. No excuses with that million dollar budget but penny results.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:25 PM

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Great Posts Fellas.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:44 PM

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And wv and uofk people are essentially the same


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CardTopper wrote: The acc is who lucked out. You avoided a fanbase that is one of the most racist and has one of the lowest educational attainment and per capita income levels in the country. Trust me, you don't want to be around those people
This is why I keep saying WVU was NEVER gonna get invited to the ACC no matter what they've deluded themselves into believing

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Posted: 6/21/2014 8:47 PM

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And, if you look at the two fanbases we are a MUCH better fit with the acc and them with the sec, their fball program aside. Their fans "fit" in the sec and their program is very rogue, like everyone in the sec....
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Posted: 6/21/2014 9:39 PM

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Praise the high heavens the Ukant hilljacks didn't go for this. I doubt we get invited to the ACC is the inbred Lexghanistanis were a member. July 1st will be a quite momentous day in the history of the University of Louisville athletics.

C A R D S GO CARDS GO!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 6/21/2014 10:54 PM

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Note the timing. UofL is on the cusp of getting more national eyeballs with the ACC celebration on the First. So what to the blew bellies do? The get the word out that they could have done that years ago. Deflect and distract. That's the BBN modus operandi. The are incapable of generating anything of any real noteworthy news on their own, so they wait till someone else is making noise and swoop in shouting LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!! PLEASE LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:12 PM

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snickerling wrote: Note the timing. UofL is on the cusp of getting more national eyeballs with the ACC celebration on the First. So what to the blew bellies do? The get the word out that they could have done that years ago. Deflect and distract. That's the BBN modus operandi. The are incapable of generating anything of any real noteworthy news on their own, so they wait till someone else is making noise and swoop in shouting LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!! PLEASE LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!
That was my first thought when this came out.  I would bet they have Cow and Wes working feveri$$$hly to get 2 or 3 commits lined up for announcement on June 30th.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:18 PM

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Somehow, i doubt they were seriously considered. Just because you make a phone call doesn't mean the guys on the other end of the line are taking you seriously....  noidea
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:24 PM

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snickerling wrote: Note the timing. UofL is on the cusp of getting more national eyeballs with the ACC celebration on the First. So what to the blew bellies do? The get the word out that they could have done that years ago. Deflect and distract. That's the BBN modus operandi. The are incapable of generating anything of any real noteworthy news on their own, so they wait till someone else is making noise and swoop in shouting LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!! PLEASE LOOK AT ME!!!!!!!!!!
I think you may be correct.
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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:29 PM

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rememeber the ACC wanted a team that could play football.  No way would they would have invited UK when Maryland left.  Another bottomfeeder.
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Interesting stuff.   Have to wonder if UK was ever seriously considered for the ACC when Maryland left.   That would have been their chance to bolt.

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Posted: 6/21/2014 11:31 PM

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Ukant does play football. It just happens to be at Pop Warner level.

mdreyer wrote: rememeber the ACC wanted a team that could play football.  No way would they would have invited UK when Maryland left.  Another bottomfeeder.
jwhcard wrote:

Interesting stuff.   Have to wonder if UK was ever seriously considered for the ACC when Maryland left.   That would have been their chance to bolt.

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