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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:26 AM

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And it isn't kind. Plus an itty bitty dig at the AAC,

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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:34 AM

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Dig on the AAC all you want. We'll be in the ACC in 11 days.



I graduated from U of L, my wife graduated from U of L, my daughter graduated from U of L, my son is at U of L  . . . along with all of my money.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:37 AM

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It must be hard to convince Florida recruits to spend four years in Ames, Stillwater, Waco, Lubbock, Lawrence, and Manhattan (not the one you're thinking of). West Virginia found that out the hard way when they jumped ship to the Big 12 and their pipeline to the Sunshine State dried up. Look at them now.

I don't know if the dig at Strong's assistants fair, he regularly had us in the top 40 in recruiting while most AAC schools finished outside the top 50.


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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:47 AM

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A dig at a conference who's champion just whipped the B12's champion in the Fiesta Bowl.  Yeah, the recruiting in the AAC must be horrible.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 10:50 AM

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I think the problem here is two fold. Certainly I think there was a lot of head scratching, not just in Louisville but across the country, when Strong was announced as the head coach of Texas. The guy has precisely zero legitimate recruiting ties in the state of Texas, which is really key to Texas. Furthermore, he doesn't seem to have built a staff around recruiting the state of Texas to make up for his own shortcomings in the Lone Star State.

However, I think the bigger problem is beyond Strong's control: The BigXII. Given A&M's success, the grander stage upon which it plays with the SEC, the hype of the SEC conference, and the "sex appeal" of SEC opponents I think a lot of people expected A&M to make significant headway when it came to "out recruiting" (I use parenthesis because it remains to see how those recruits actually pan out) Texas. There are few coaches that Texas could've hired that would've made up the difference when it comes to the attention A&M is garnering right now (due in large part to Manziel). If you're a top tier talent, outside of playing FOR Nick Saban if they could've landed him, there's little that Texas can offer to match the excitement of playing Alabama or LSU in some of the biggest marquee stadiums in America. Sure there's Oklahoma, but even they are a shadow of their former selves. The idea of playing Bama, LSU, Arkansas is far more appealing than Baylor, OSU, WVU, or even Oklahoma at this point. Furthermore, you can go play at A&M on the SEC Network all across SEC country and soon to be damn near everywhere or you can go to Texas and been seen on the Longhorn Network in front of PARTS of Texas. If you're looking for attention, it's a no brainer.

Frankly, it's this very reason that I feel Strong's going to go three and out in Texas perhaps regardless of on field success and why I think Texas is going to get even more restless and eventually blow up the BigXII, taking their services elsewhere and caving on the Longhorn Network. They're playing second fiddle to A&M as we speak, and they're simply NOT going to settle for that.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:06 AM

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Chuck was scared of life without Teddy in a tougher conference. The more time that passes, the more certain I am. Not a good trait in a coach. I say that because we all know without a doubt Muschamp is on the hottest seat in America and with just a successful first year in the ACC those Gators would be knocking on Strong's door. We wouldn't even need to win the conference. But he bolted in what looks like a desperation move.

Our former coach seemed to fear losing more than he craved winning. Ah well, once again Petrino seems like the perfect fit for where we are as a program. Now he and Pitino can laugh about leaving for not-so-greener pastures in younger days.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 11:12 AM

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Charlie better start MASTERING Texas recruiting, because it will be hard for Florida boy to NEVER play in front of their family if they go to texas.noidea


We will be JUST FINE with our link to Florida State & Clemson now and with Miami every 6 years that will help as well.wink
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:02 PM

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LouisVillain wrote: Chuck was scared of life without Teddy in a tougher conference. The more time that passes, the more certain I am. Not a good trait in a coach. I say that because we all know without a doubt Muschamp is on the hottest seat in America and with just a successful first year in the ACC those Gators would be knocking on Strong's door. We wouldn't even need to win the conference. But he bolted in what looks like a desperation move.

Our former coach seemed to fear losing more than he craved winning. Ah well, once again Petrino seems like the perfect fit for where we are as a program. Now he and Pitino can laugh about leaving for not-so-greener pastures in younger days.
Umm...  Let's be realistic, here...  Leaving Louisville for TEXAS couldn't ever be considered a "desperation move".  It was a pay increase, job stature increase, and overall a larger challenge increase.  A desperation move would be switching to a mid-major conference just to make sure you have a job rather than get it handed to you.

Charlie didn't need Bridgewater to run the type of team he wants.  It was awesome that we had Teddy, but in the grand scheme, Strong would be perfectly content to grind out a 2-0 win with defense alone and not give two ***** about the offensive side of the ball.  They were there for "clock control" to give "his" defensive team a rest in between outings.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If they scored some points, then great.  If not...he never really cared.

Ultimately, that will be his downfall.  Spectators expect to see scoring.  It's nice to see your team's defense pound on the opponent, but points on the scoreboard sell tickets, plain and simple.  We just had the best 3 year stretch in UofL football history, and yet we (collectively) were still grumbling because we weren't putting up 50+ on average (like we probably could have if Strong had wanted to).

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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:03 PM

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LouisVillain wrote: Chuck was scared of life without Teddy in a tougher conference. The more time that passes, the more certain I am. Not a good trait in a coach. I say that because we all know without a doubt Muschamp is on the hottest seat in America and with just a successful first year in the ACC those Gators would be knocking on Strong's door. We wouldn't even need to win the conference. But he bolted in what looks like a desperation move.

Our former coach seemed to fear losing more than he craved winning. Ah well, once again Petrino seems like the perfect fit for where we are as a program. Now he and Pitino can laugh about leaving for not-so-greener pastures in younger days.

Calling Charlie Strong scared of "life without Teddy" is worse than being unfair.  Was he afraid before Teddy?  Didn't he always manage to make a star player from players who you didn't expect.  I never thought any u of L recruits would be drafted over TB, yet 2 were.  Is TB following CCS to Texas, or did I miss that one?  I am guessing there will be life w/o TB at Texas and losing there will have more consequences than losing in the ACC at U of L. 

No my friend, CCS did not leave us out of fear.  If CCS were still at Louisville, he would have brought in another good QB, or another good RB or he may have Dom Brown be the next Bilal Powell.  I don't think fear was an issue at all and that critique is unfounded and unfair. 

What is unfair is for some card fans to think that our program is perceived nationally as being on the same level as Texas and their #1 financial ranking.  CCS moved to TX for money, and if you wanna say he was afraid of anything, say he was afraid to earn less money.  That may be true.  Not just money lost from the school paycheck mind you, but anyone would expect more from TX sponsors, endorsements and boosters if/when he is successful.

Very few people love their job so much that they wouldn't leave it for... (all the money in their professional world).
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:04 PM

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Dang porsche, you beat me to this post by 1 minute.
The only way to be the best is to beat the best.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:07 PM

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PJM3414 wrote: Dang porsche, you beat me to this post by 1 minute.
Sorry!

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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:19 PM

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"he got a lot of coaches that can win recruiting battles against Cincinnati, UCF and teams like that"

LOL! dogging three teams (cincy, ucf, Louisville)  that would have beat the pants off Texas last year, or this year for that matter.

Hell, I would go so far as to say two of those teams are better than anyone in the big 12.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:25 PM

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What would Cincinnati's coach know about SEC or Big 12 caliber recruiting?
BPSUL wrote: "he got a lot of coaches that can win recruiting battles against Cincinnati, UCF and teams like that"

LOL! dogging three teams (cincy, ucf, Louisville)  that would have beat the pants off Texas last year, or this year for that matter.

Hell, I would go so far as to say two of those teams are better than anyone in the big 12.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:32 PM

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I know the popular thing amongst some posters here would be to put this squarely on Strong's shoulders and paint him out to be incompetent or whatever, but I just don't think that's the bigger issue when it comes to recruiting and Texas at the moment. Certainly he DOES shoulder some of the blame in how he's opted to try to recruit as well as the staff he's put together and their overall lack of Texas credentials...but as I said, I think the bigger issue is that right now Texas A&M can sell not only success but success in the SEC which is widely trumpeted as the premier college football conference. There's very few posters on this board who DIDN'T anticipate A&M out recruiting Texas once they jumped to the SEC before the idea of Strong being the head coach there was even a conceived possibility. So while certainly Strong doesn't seem to be making matters better for himself by not placing enough emphasis on recruiting in his new backyard, let's not make this into something that it's not here either. I think this is going to be a continuing problem for Texas so long as A&M can sell success in the SEC and Texas is in BigXII and it's not going to change unless Texas hires a Les Miles or Nick Saban....OR....gets the hell out of the BigXII and into a more legit conference.  (B1G?  ACC?  PAC?)

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Posted: 6/20/2014 12:55 PM

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The "dig" comes from a clown who thinks Cinci and USF are in the ACC.  That is all I need to know about his credibility.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 1:02 PM

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DemonSpawn wrote: The "dig" comes from a clown who thinks Cinci and USF are in the ACC.  That is all I need to know about his credibility.
Where does the writer reference  the ACC?

"This is the Big 12, not the AAC.”"
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:07 PM

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PJM3414 wrote: Dang porsche, you beat me to this post by 1 minute.
Such a shame both of you missed the point. Well done.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:18 PM

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Strong's big recruiting problem

There are three elite recruiting areas:  Florida, Texas, and California.

His ties are deep in the first, yet he coaches the flagship in the second.

Short of winning big constantly, for every big Texas fish that gets away, and every Florida recruit who fails to pan out, he will feel the pressure immensely.

Strong doesn't get, say, Matt Elam here?  Not THAT big a deal.  Strong doesn't get his Lone Star counterpart, OUCH.  And for the Florida boys, he's competing against everybody, including Louisville, and Heaven help the ones who don't quite get it done in Austin.

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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:49 PM

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I would have chosen another way to present your point.

Charlie had his eyes on the SEC and almost went on to Tennessee until his behind the scenes activities were leaked by Vols who were not in favor of him being their HC. Apparently he has the same problem with some of the TX fan base as well.

The TX thing has been a head scratcher for sure. I think Charlie learned through his contacts that even though Muschamp is on the hot seat, he was not going to be considered for whatever reason.

The TX job came open and he went for it. According to a variety of reports and what have you not, he was somewhere around the fourth or fifth choice.

It's no secret that Charlie wanted to coach at a big football program.  He has his chance and I hope he does well.
LouisVillain wrote: Chuck was scared of life without Teddy in a tougher conference. The more time that passes, the more certain I am. Not a good trait in a coach. I say that because we all know without a doubt Muschamp is on the hottest seat in America and with just a successful first year in the ACC those Gators would be knocking on Strong's door. We wouldn't even need to win the conference. But he bolted in what looks like a desperation move.

Our former coach seemed to fear losing more than he craved winning. Ah well, once again Petrino seems like the perfect fit for where we are as a program. Now he and Pitino can laugh about leaving for not-so-greener pastures in younger days.
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Posted: 6/20/2014 3:58 PM

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I agree.

He took his Florida people with him instead of looking at the landscape. He needed TX/B12 people to teach him and show him how things are done in that part of the country.

Think of real estate; I've got the the best agent in KY when it comes to finding deals because he knows the ins and outs of the landscape. But if I'm going to California, I need an agent who is savvy in California, not KY.

CaptCardinal wrote: Strong's big problem recruiting problem

There are three elite recruiting areas:  Florida, Texas, and California.

His ties are deep in the first, yet he coaches the flagship in the second.

Short of winning big constantly, for every big Texas fish that gets away, and every Florida recruit who fails to pan out, he will feel the pressure immensely.

Strong doesn't get, say, Matt Elam here?  Not THAT big a deal.  Strong doesn't get his Lone Star counterpart, OUCH.  And for the Florida boys, he's competing against everybody, including Louisville, and Heaven help the ones who don't quite get it done in Austin.
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