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Posted: 2/2/2013 1:15 PM
UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND  (8 votes)
UofL
Clemson
FSU
VT
ND will be the top tier
UNC
NC State Can challenge on any given year for Division
UVa
GT
Pitt
Miami
Wake
Duke Will pull off upsets yearly of the top nine,
BC but don't be fooled by their positioning on this chart
Cuse
The ACC has really pulled a surprise attack on the other power conferences. There is going to be some really good football played and no one is a clear and above anyone else in the tier with little separation throughout the conference.
Look at the Big Wins this year over the SEC by Clemson and UofL
Va. Tech has been off the last two or 3 years, but Beamer is a great coach and recruits well.
Georgia Tech is up and down with the wishbone attack and it can catch some teams off guard. You need lots of speed, depth and discipline to beat it. Ask USC.
UNC is a hit or miss team, the verdict is still out on Fedora....great offense.....defense is suspect.
UVA....Mike London will keep inching the Cavaliers up. He can recruit and is a championship coach.
Miami...Al Golden is a fraud and the Canes haven't done squat since being in the ACC and don't expect them to be at the top as long as Golden is coach. Golden is a Kiffen without the drama.
Clemson...Dabo is for real and Tigers are recruiting and playing at a high level. They are Southern Football tradition and have one heck of a fan base.
Cuse and Pitt....will get some wins but will find it hard to do in the ACC week in and out as well as every other team in the conference. Miami was a great example of this coming in from the Big East....
NC State...always manages to beat FSU and UNC.....truly bounty hunters in the conference.
Duke and Wake...not traditional powers but if they catch you sleeping they can and will send you packing and upset your hopes at a divisional crown.
BC.....really need to access their football program and bring it in line with the rest of the Conference.
ND...They play a tough schedule year in and out but will not be a major factor. Will bring in revenue, will travel well, but the ACC could prove to be a pitfall for the Irish depending on the ACC schedule. After watching that beat down by Bama...it showed me that they were more in line with Luck when they beat Stanford and even Pitt.
So Card Fans, here comes an my honest expectation. We will be competitive, but we can't have really bad defense lapses like we have seen over the first 3 years. There is a reason that the coaches are going really heavy on D as far as recruiting. We desperately need speed and depth. I think next years class will be 60/40 split in favor of D as far as recruiting. It's obvious that HCCS is trying to build an SEC style defense that can keep the Cards in the game against any opponent. Watson is the unsung hero and he brought the Cards along a year early against all expectations. His Offense is balanced and the work with Teddy is off the Charts. If Gardner can understand a D like Teddy, there will be very little drop off.
Once we can get older on special teams, we are gonna be fine there, but we need to focus on that work this spring. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 1:45 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND  (2 votes)
CowtownCard wrote:
NC State...always manages to beat FSU and UNC.....truly bounty hunters in the conference.
Where did you pull this crap from? They don't have a winning record against either of these teams, going 10-22 against FSU and 32-63-6 against UNC. Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and only looking at the last 10 seasons, NC State is 4-6 against FSU and 6-4 against UNC, hardly representative of a team that "always manages to beat FSU and UNC".
THEY WILL RESPECT THE D!
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Posted: 2/2/2013 2:25 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (3 votes)
Agree with Cowtown on the need for quality Depth. Of course we fly with the skill players on O. It will take at least two more years to build that kind of depth and experience on D and the O Line. We are still a young team and the ACC will expose that during a whole season. Even one more year will help. But Happy Days are here.  |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 2:31 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND
The confidence is greatly appreciated cowboy but we still have a bit of establishing to do to be considered a Top Tier program. If we make the same progress over the next 3 years as the last and continue to grow OK, but don't forget where this program was just 3 short years ago.
GO CARDS!!!
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Posted: 2/2/2013 3:26 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND  (1 vote)
4everred wrote: The confidence is greatly appreciated cowboy but we still have a bit of establishing to do to be considered a Top Tier program. If we make the same progress over the next 3 years as the last and continue to grow OK, but don't forget where this program was just 3 short years ago.
GO CARDS!!! Agree 100%. I am ecstatic with what had been accomplished, but I'm afraid many of our fans are jumping the gun. To think that we are going to go to the ACC and automatically be one of the top 3-4 programs is presumptuous, in my opinion. We are ahead of where we should be at this point, but I would put us more in that second tier than in the first. |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 3:39 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
--------------------------------------------- --- erinalex wrote: 4everred wrote: The confidence is greatly appreciated cowboy but we still have a bit of establishing to do to be considered a Top Tier program. If we make the same progress over the next 3 years as the last and continue to grow OK, but don't forget where this program was just 3 short years ago.
GO CARDS!!! Agree 100%. I am ecstatic with what had been accomplished, but I'm afraid many of our fans are jumping the gun. To think that we are going to go to the ACC and automatically be one of the top 3-4 programs is presumptuous, in my opinion. We are ahead of where we should be at this point, but I would put us more in that second tier than in the first. --------------------------------------------- Well the big east pre wvu leaving was better than the ACC in football, and we won a share of the conference title their last season so I don't see why we shouldn't expect be a top team.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 4:43 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (2 votes)
I think comparing Golden to Kiffen is insulting. Some may not agree, but I think Golden is a good coach and if given enough time can make Miami good again.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:15 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND  (1 vote)
I have two questions about listing VPI as a perennial power in the ACC.
What kind of football program did VPI have before Beamer?
What is going to happen to them after Beamer retires in a couple of years?
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:22 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
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I have two questions about listing VPI as a perennial power in the ACC.
What kind of football program did VPI have before Beamer?
What is going to happen to them after Beamer retires in a couple of years?
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Because they have won the conference four times and are the only other acc school besides fsu to win a bcs game. What happens after Beamer is gone is irrelevant in regards to this thread.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:44 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
I grew up in ACC territory, North Carolina, I know this conference well. Just watch and see, NC State was the first team in the ACC to beat FSU. They also were the team to beat FSU this year. There is a lot of parity in that conference. Also, Belk Bowl last year. I'm not saying that they will compete nationally but if you don't think that they won't knock you off you are sadly mistaken. JtownCard wrote:
CowtownCard wrote:
NC State...always manages to beat FSU and UNC.....truly bounty hunters in the conference.
Where did you pull this crap from? They don't have a winning record against either of these teams, going 10-22 against FSU and 32-63-6 against UNC.
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and only looking at the last 10 seasons, NC State is 4-6 against FSU and 6-4 against UNC, hardly representative of a team that "always manages to beat FSU and UNC". |
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Posted: 2/2/2013 5:55 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
You will see two things in ACC play:
1) You will have to play or on top of your game in each game if you want to win the Division.
2) FSU raised the bar when it joined the ACC. Talent across the board rose dramatically.
With that being said, depth, speed and defense is how you win championships.
Virginia Tech uses the Tidewater Area like we use S.FLa. there is a lot of talent that comes out of that area and they are plucking good players out of NC and Ga. to boot. Beamer has done a very good job in his career and he has done it the right way. VT has speed and depth and routinely plays solid D.
I actually think our weak schedule will help us next year. We need a good record and we need to get some of the youngsters some experience. When we have to play FSU and Clemson the same year and maybe even ND every third year......we need to play 60 minutes.
On a quick note......you could see a different swagger on the sideline near the end of the year. Those kids were bouncing around going into the fourth quarter and staying focused. I'm excited and I think we will find Moorer a valuable weapon for sure!
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Posted: 2/2/2013 6:47 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
We're going to have to transition to the next plateau in recruiting to really max out our impact as a growing program. We're currently recruiting athletes we have taken the time to study, and those whom the excellent coaches we have identified as potential players. We have coached everyone up, helped by an easy schedule, constant work and perfect timing for our debut as a force, having gotten healthy and all primed by teaching methods which it turns out are absolutely excellent.
We need a scouting echelon to make themselves permanent parts of the high school scene in Florida, first off. We could also use some attention paid to Ohio and Pennsylvania and to get a hook into the Deep South and California. Unless we have a formula that is near-perfect at mining the understarred kids (which we may, and the eyeball test counts on the right guy), we'll have to replenish our players with increasingly highly-regarded and more publicized kids. We'' be recruiting against the big guys, in other words.
Preparing for that requires a plan.
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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:29 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
They're also the team that lost to FSU 4 of the last 6 times they've played, so good thing they did beat FSU this year or it would have been 5 losses in the last 6 games. This wasn't about what they will do, it was about what you were making them out to be which was way off base. CowtownCard wrote: I grew up in ACC territory, North Carolina, I know this conference well. Just watch and see, NC State was the first team in the ACC to beat FSU. They also were the team to beat FSU this year. There is a lot of parity in that conference. Also, Belk Bowl last year. I'm not saying that they will compete nationally but if you don't think that they won't knock you off you are sadly mistaken.
JtownCard wrote:
CowtownCard wrote:
NC State...always manages to beat FSU and UNC.....truly bounty hunters in the conference.
Where did you pull this crap from? They don't have a winning record against either of these teams, going 10-22 against FSU and 32-63-6 against UNC.
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and only looking at the last 10 seasons, NC State is 4-6 against FSU and 6-4 against UNC, hardly representative of a team that "always manages to beat FSU and UNC".
THEY WILL RESPECT THE D!
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Posted: 2/3/2013 3:56 AM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND
I can't stand Va. Tech after the way Marcus Vick stomped on Elvis Dumervil's leg in the Gator Bowl and Beamer only reprimanded him during the game, which, at the time, told me that Beamer was more about winning than doing the right thing. If a ref had witnessed Vick stomping on Dumervil, they would have ejected him from the game and Beamer should have yanked him from the game at that point. I, however, know that Va Tech is currently one of the better (winning) programs in college football right now and guessing what will happen after Beamer leaves is impossible to gauge. It will all come down to the AD making the right higher, but Beamer has turned the Va Tech football brand into a recognizable national brand so finding hot names to replace him wouldn't be hard. The problem usually is can a guy come in and produce fast enough to keep a fan base happy. unc4life wrote: I have two questions about listing VPI as a perennial power in the ACC.
What kind of football program did VPI have before Beamer?
What is going to happen to them after Beamer retires in a couple of years?  |
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Posted: 2/3/2013 5:27 AM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
I know there are some really young posters here. Also, I know that Miami has had some real jerky posters come over here. But, one thing you can never do is discount the fact that they have FIVE national championships in their history, and I don't mean ancient history, either, but five in the last 30 years. Yes, they have had some trouble, but the one thing that cannot be discounted is that the Miami area is loaded with players, as our own program has seen, and they will always get their share of them. Whether Golden is the answer or not, who knows. But I don't think we should ever discount them, and to consider them bottom tier of the ACC , to me, is very unbelievable.
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Posted: 2/3/2013 8:43 AM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
So when a regional team beats a national power 1 out of 3 time you wouldn't consider them an upset team? In the same 6 year span look at their record against UNC and Clemson. The only point that I'm making is that they are capable of derailing an upper tier team's title hope. Also when Miami was playing in the Big East....they had to play two or three big games a year, cruise thru the rest and plan for a big Bowl. The same path we took this year and ended up beating the Gators. Miami hasn't been relevant since joining the ACC is because they had to play better teams every week for the most part and couldn't avoid all the traps of a BCS conference. JtownCard wrote: They're also the team that lost to FSU 4 of the last 6 times they've played, so good thing they did beat FSU this year or it would have been 5 losses in the last 6 games. This wasn't about what they will do, it was about what you were making them out to be which was way off base.
CowtownCard wrote: I grew up in ACC territory, North Carolina, I know this conference well. Just watch and see, NC State was the first team in the ACC to beat FSU. They also were the team to beat FSU this year. There is a lot of parity in that conference. Also, Belk Bowl last year. I'm not saying that they will compete nationally but if you don't think that they won't knock you off you are sadly mistaken.
JtownCard wrote:
CowtownCard wrote:
NC State...always manages to beat FSU and UNC.....truly bounty hunters in the conference.
Where did you pull this crap from? They don't have a winning record against either of these teams, going 10-22 against FSU and 32-63-6 against UNC.
Trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and only looking at the last 10 seasons, NC State is 4-6 against FSU and 6-4 against UNC, hardly representative of a team that "always manages to beat FSU and UNC". |
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Posted: 2/3/2013 10:08 AM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
Has there been a more overated team in the past 5-7 years then Virginia Tech? They have really fallen off IMO.
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Posted: 2/3/2013 12:17 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (1 vote)
enjoitheworld wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- erinalex wrote:
4everred wrote: The confidence is greatly appreciated cowboy but we still have a bit of establishing to do to be considered a Top Tier program. If we make the same progress over the next 3 years as the last and continue to grow OK, but don't forget where this program was just 3 short years ago.
GO CARDS!!! Agree 100%. I am ecstatic with what had been accomplished, but I'm afraid many of our fans are jumping the gun. To think that we are going to go to the ACC and automatically be one of the top 3-4 programs is presumptuous, in my opinion. We are ahead of where we should be at this point, but I would put us more in that second tier than in the first.
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Well the big east pre wvu leaving was better than the ACC in football, and we won a share of the conference title their last season so I don't see why we shouldn't expect be a top team. Again, look where we were just before the arrival of CCS and company. We weren't a top tier Big East team either during that reign. All I'm saying is to be an established top tier team in the BE or ACC, we need several years of consistent success and growth. GO CARDS!!!
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Posted: 2/3/2013 12:51 PM
RE: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND (5 votes)
This thread reminds me of the crap West Virginia fans were saying before the season started. and we all know how their season turned out.
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Posted: 2/3/2013 2:41 PM
Re: UofL, CU, FSU, VT and ND
+1000000000 madvillecard wrote: I know there are some really young posters here. Also, I know that Miami has had some real jerky posters come over here. But, one thing you can never do is discount the fact that they have FIVE national championships in their history, and I don't mean ancient history, either, but five in the last 30 years. Yes, they have had some trouble, but the one thing that cannot be discounted is that the Miami area is loaded with players, as our own program has seen, and they will always get their share of them. Whether Golden is the answer or not, who knows. But I don't think we should ever discount them, and to consider them bottom tier of the ACC , to me, is very unbelievable. |
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