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Players whose # should be retired before Russ?

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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:32 AM

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I like that Russ came from nowhere and did what he did for the Cards.  I think if we would have won back to back Russ would have been a lock.  However, I can't see how he should get his number retired over Milt Wagner or Rodney McCray.  Both of those guys accomplished more.  I know they weren't first team All Americans like Russ but there were WAY better players in college back then.  Now Russ's jersey should be retired for sure.  Maybe he and Peyton can have theirs retired together.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 7:35 AM

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Can't you phrase that as "Additional" players who should be retired. It just feels like your bashing Russ for being an All American.??

Flossy out...
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Posted: 6/27/2014 10:07 AM

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He is the only that meets the criteria set by UofL. I don't see any reason to change that. It is clear what needs to be accomplished to have your jersey hang in the UofL rafters in mens bball. If players don't meet the criteria, oh well
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:28 PM

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No one is more deserving than Russ.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:31 PM

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Hypothetical:  Jurich has decided to retire a number, and you get the deciding vote.

Clifford Rozier, a consensus All-American

Peyton Siva, not a consensus All-American

The choice is yours.
pcard wrote: He is the only that meets the criteria set by UofL. I don't see any reason to change that. It is clear what needs to be accomplished to have your jersey hang in the UofL rafters in mens bball. If players don't meet the criteria, oh well
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:33 PM

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Siva, because I don't remember Rozier.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:38 PM

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bloodbought wrote: Siva, because I don't remember Rozier.

Don't worry, I believe they've updated the criteria to only include players that you remember, blood.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 12:39 PM

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“To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child. For what is the worth of human life, unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors by the records of history?"  Cicero

(Nevertheless, I agree with your answer).


bloodbought wrote: Siva, because I don't remember Rozier.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:04 PM

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bloodbought wrote: Siva, because I don't remember Rozier.
I'd go with Siva too, but I remember Rozier.  He was a talented mofo.  Fun to watch, but wasn't one tenth of the ambassador for UofL that Siva has been.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:17 PM

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Milt Wagner should get first nod.  3 Final Fours, 1 championship
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Posted: 6/27/2014 2:54 PM

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Isn't a degree included in the criteria?

I think Russ Smith has one. I don't think Wagner or Rozier ever got theirs. Rozier didn't win a championship, but neither did Unseld. I don't think Wagner was ever a consensus All- American either.

As far as I know, Russ is the only one to hit all those.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:16 PM

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I've never heard of a degree being part of the criteria, but I'd welcome it.  A degree makes more sense than being consensus All-America.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 3:33 PM

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A degree should be the most important part of the criteria. Consensus AA makes sense, too, along with team and individual accomplishments.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:07 PM

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Russ barely played as a freshman so take into account his numbers are all from just three years. Russ has done everything you need to do to have your number retired and then some.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:15 PM

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My problem with the consensus AA criteria:  imagine a season in which U of L wins a national championship, and is led by a dynamic point guard who the fans adore, had made all sorts of game-winning, and otherwise spectacular plays and leads Louisville Metro Council to consider renaming Muhammad Ali Blvd in his honor.

Imagine also this hypothetical season has witnessed some of the most spectacular point guard play in college basketball in a generation.  The second coming of Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas, Allen Iverson, Pearl Washington, etc.  Just an embarrassment of studs at the position.

Our beloved Louisville star is NOT consensus All-American. . . although the General Assembly may designate his birthday a holiday.

He's also a Rhodes Scholar, graduating with honors.

You wouldn't want that man's number retired simply because he's not consensus AA?  
NewYorkCard wrote: A degree should be the most important part of the criteria. Consensus AA makes sense, too, along with team and individual accomplishments.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:20 PM

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Milt completed his at Memphis in 2005
stomachacid wrote: Isn't a degree included in the criteria?

I think Russ Smith has one. I don't think Wagner or Rozier ever got theirs. Rozier didn't win a championship, but neither did Unseld. I don't think Wagner was ever a consensus All- American either.

As far as I know, Russ is the only one to hit all those.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:52 PM

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NO MEMPHIS GRADS IN OUR RAFTERS
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Posted: 6/27/2014 4:54 PM

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I can only think of four.

Charlie Tyra
Wes Unseld
Darrell Griffith
Pervis Ellison



THEY WILL RESPECT THE D!


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Posted: 6/27/2014 5:05 PM

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But Memphis State's not one of them academic schools. At least not at Drexel's level anyways.
funkyrhino wrote: Milt completed his at Memphis in 2005
stomachacid wrote: Isn't a degree included in the criteria?

I think Russ Smith has one. I don't think Wagner or Rozier ever got theirs. Rozier didn't win a championship, but neither did Unseld. I don't think Wagner was ever a consensus All- American either.

As far as I know, Russ is the only one to hit all those.
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Posted: 6/27/2014 6:28 PM

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How can you definitively make a statement like this when you admit to not even remembering someone like Clifford Rozier?  Russ is more than deserving, but you have little to no reference as to whom may or may not be more deserving because it seems that your U of L history goes back about 10 years.

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bloodbought wrote: No one is more deserving than Russ.
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