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Posted: 2/22/2013 7:26 PM
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EvanstonCat wrote: Seriously, is this true? What is wrong with you people down in U-C? I actually would prefer that you guys were a lot better and we could have a real in-state rivalry that meant something. I know you may have felt the same way say 20 years ago, but please, can you can Beckman and bring in Jim Tressell or even Gary Barnett so that we don't have to be embarrassed to have a rival like you.
http://northwestern.rivals.com...901&style=2 My favorite post was this from DarthCat: "I'm sorry, the Illini are just hilarious right now. There is nothing they do that doesn't bring a smile to my face the last 18 months."
Hmm. 18 months ago = August 22, 2011. Illinois 38, Northwestern 35 at Memorial Stadium = October 1, 2011 (about 16-1/2 months ago) Did that make him smile, too? I thought Northwestern fans claimed to be smart. Or didn't he want to go through the trouble of taking off his shoes to count?  |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 10:58 PM
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You people seem aggravated.
You misinterpret my intentions. I'm not here to talk smack. I think Northwestern would benefit from a stronger Illinois football program. We would both stand to gain from an in-state rivalry that had two strong teams. The rhetoric being spewed above notwithstanding, can any of you seriously assert that the Illini football program is not in complete and utter disarray? Would any of you honestly say the state of the Illinois football program is stronger than that of Northwestern's at this point? Read the rest of your board and the aftermath of the 50-14 pummelling this past fall. Which was not even as close as the final score indicated - I mean we have never had the need to put in a walk-on DL at tailback to simply give the opponent a chance to stop us at the goal line and mercifully stem the murder (to your credit, you did stop him).
And you guys just hired Greg Colby... Seriously, do you have any idea what kind of coach he was at NU? I'd like to see you take steps forward to improve your football program. Not massive steps back. Canning your AD and Tim Beckman would be a good start.
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Posted: 2/22/2013 11:25 PM
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That's a funny way of not talking smack. 
I know you're probably still reeling from your second bowl win, but come 'on. |
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Posted: 2/22/2013 11:49 PM
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i wonder if you felt the same a year ago, or two years ago. we have a brand new coach and lost several players to the nfl draft, pretty much everyone here thought 6-6 would be a very successful season, so its not like everyone was expecting a world beater. its cute you think your program is good since you had one mediocre season, but get a grip. EvanstonCat wrote: You people seem aggravated.
You misinterpret my intentions. I'm not here to talk smack. I think Northwestern would benefit from a stronger Illinois football program. We would both stand to gain from an in-state rivalry that had two strong teams. The rhetoric being spewed above notwithstanding, can any of you seriously assert that the Illini football program is not in complete and utter disarray? Would any of you honestly say the state of the Illinois football program is stronger than that of Northwestern's at this point? Read the rest of your board and the aftermath of the 50-14 pummelling this past fall. Which was not even as close as the final score indicated - I mean we have never had the need to put in a walk-on DL at tailback to simply give the opponent a chance to stop us at the goal line and mercifully stem the murder (to your credit, you did stop him).
And you guys just hired Greg Colby... Seriously, do you have any idea what kind of coach he was at NU? I'd like to see you take steps forward to improve your football program. Not massive steps back. Canning your AD and Tim Beckman would be a good start. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 2:03 AM
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EvanstonCat wrote: You people seem aggravated.
You misinterpret my intentions. I'm not here to talk smack. I think Northwestern would benefit from a stronger Illinois football program. We would both stand to gain from an in-state rivalry that had two strong teams. The rhetoric being spewed above notwithstanding, can any of you seriously assert that the Illini football program is not in complete and utter disarray? Would any of you honestly say the state of the Illinois football program is stronger than that of Northwestern's at this point? Read the rest of your board and the aftermath of the 50-14 pummelling this past fall. Which was not even as close as the final score indicated - I mean we have never had the need to put in a walk-on DL at tailback to simply give the opponent a chance to stop us at the goal line and mercifully stem the murder (to your credit, you did stop him).
And you guys just hired Greg Colby... Seriously, do you have any idea what kind of coach he was at NU? I'd like to see you take steps forward to improve your football program. Not massive steps back. Canning your AD and Tim Beckman would be a good start. If you're not here to talk smack, why are you here at all? No NU sports worth watching during the winter? Of course Illinois football is down right now (although, despite how terrible they've been, still outdrawing Northwestern by an average of almost 10,000 per home game last season... and it could've been a better margin if it wasn't for 15-20,000 pesky Nebraska fans invading your stadium to boost your attendance average). I don't think that Tim Beckman is the guy to fix it, and so he'll get fired in a year or two and we'll move on.  Keep in mind that Mike Thomas is also tasked with cleaning up after a catastrophically incompetent former AD who spent 20 years driving the football program into the dirt. 18 months is a little early to jump ship on the guy. I'm actually fine with Illinois pairing up with the Cougars. I'm also fine with Northwestern pairing with the Cubs and playing at Wrigley Field, especially if it gives Illinois another chance to rush for 519 yards again and embarrass Northwestern when College GameDay is in town. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 2:21 AM
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EvanstonCat wrote: You people seem aggravated.
You misinterpret my intentions. I'm not here to talk smack. I think Northwestern would benefit from a stronger Illinois football program. We would both stand to gain from an in-state rivalry that had two strong teams. The rhetoric being spewed above notwithstanding, can any of you seriously assert that the Illini football program is not in complete and utter disarray? Would any of you honestly say the state of the Illinois football program is stronger than that of Northwestern's at this point? Read the rest of your board and the aftermath of the 50-14 pummelling this past fall. Which was not even as close as the final score indicated - I mean we have never had the need to put in a walk-on DL at tailback to simply give the opponent a chance to stop us at the goal line and mercifully stem the murder (to your credit, you did stop him).
And you guys just hired Greg Colby... Seriously, do you have any idea what kind of coach he was at NU? I'd like to see you take steps forward to improve your football program. Not massive steps back. Canning your AD and Tim Beckman would be a good start. Any year you lose to Northwestern is a year your football team stinks.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 5:08 AM
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Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 6:36 AM
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That's all I'm saying, son.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 8:56 AM
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MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.??? The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:22 AM
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ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football. The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices............... Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke? Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........ |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:31 AM
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Where did I say football isn't a revenue driver? You're just as ignorant if you think we should fire an AD who's been on the job for 18 months because of one (potentially) bad football hire all the while ignoring everything else that he's done exceptionally well. The pure insanity of 75% of this board is laughable. Oh and by the way, an AD that "only the desperate want to work for"? Really? So I guess Brian Kelly was desperate when he wanted to work for Thomas at Cinci? Or Butch Jones? Or Mick Cronin? You're a joke. 77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........ |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 9:37 AM
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Those coaches would not work for him again............ Neither would Smart. Be my guest to scurry back to Illinois Loyalty if we're insane here................. We should never have hired him. So find a reason and dump him soon. ahsftbll32 wrote: Where did I say football isn't a revenue driver?
You're just as ignorant if you think we should fire an AD who's been on the job for 18 months because of one (potentially) bad football hire all the while ignoring everything else that he's done exceptionally well.
The pure insanity of 75% of this board is laughable.
Oh and by the way, an AD that "only the desperate want to work for"? Really? So I guess Brian Kelly was desperate when he wanted to work for Thomas at Cinci? Or Butch Jones? Or Mick Cronin?
You're a joke.
77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........
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Posted: 2/23/2013 10:54 AM
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What the hell kind of statement if your first sentence? Do you have ANY way to back that up? No, you're just spouting out random ****. Smart has turned down multiple offers from schools but yeah I mean I guess he turned us down because he hated MT. Nevermind the fact that he was set to take the job until he and his wife ultimately decided they didn't want to move. We should never have hired who? Thomas? Based on the potential that Beckman could be fired by this time next year while ignoring everything else he has successfully done both here and in his career other places? Oh, and I go to Loyalty when I want to have useful, intelligent discussions. I (along with many others) come here when we want a laugh out of posters like you. 77Grange wrote: Those coaches would not work for him again............
Neither would Smart.
Be my guest to scurry back to Illinois Loyalty if we're insane here.................
We should never have hired him. So find a reason and dump him soon.
ahsftbll32 wrote: Where did I say football isn't a revenue driver?
You're just as ignorant if you think we should fire an AD who's been on the job for 18 months because of one (potentially) bad football hire all the while ignoring everything else that he's done exceptionally well.
The pure insanity of 75% of this board is laughable.
Oh and by the way, an AD that "only the desperate want to work for"? Really? So I guess Brian Kelly was desperate when he wanted to work for Thomas at Cinci? Or Butch Jones? Or Mick Cronin?
You're a joke.
77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:15 AM
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EvanstonCat wrote: That's all I'm saying, son. Lol. ******. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 11:38 AM
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77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........ the real problem with the football program is the 19 year dismantling done by East Central Illinois' own, Ronald Guenther....dont blame the outsiders for the sorry state of the program quiet yet....
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Posted: 2/23/2013 12:39 PM
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77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........ "What marketing?" is what Ron Guenther did. Mike Thomas has to rebuild this from the ground up (actually, more like "from the bottom of the crater up"). It's things like the Learfield Sports deal - things that schools with non-idiot ADs were doing 15-20 years ago. There weren't even bar code systems for tickets when MT got here. There's still a long way to go, but it's a lot better than it was 18 months ago. The "Chicago's Big Ten Team" thing doesn't bother me. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of college sports knows it isn't true. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 2:15 PM
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77Grange wrote:
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
okay, I have no knowledge of the football hiring process other than knowing we made a run at Sumlin, and failed, but there is no shame in losing him to A&M. I am not sure there are too many HC gigs at programs out there that he would have accepted over them. Thats just a commonly acknowledged fact about Sumlin to A&M. Now, if you think the Beckman hire was a terrible mistake at the time, please enlighten all of us who, the worlds best AD (whoever that person is) would have been able to attract to Champaignn. Just give us a few names of the people you or this fictional AD could have reasonably been expected to hire? Ignore Mike Leach, please.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 3:02 PM
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Funny how a post that starts off with a Northwestern fan invading our turf to talk some smack turns into a ***** session amongst Illini fans. He's probably sitting back having a good laugh at your expense.
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Posted: 2/23/2013 3:47 PM
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UIEightyThree wrote:
77Grange wrote:
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
okay, I have no knowledge of the football hiring process other than knowing we made a run at Sumlin, and failed, but there is no shame in losing him to A&M. I am not sure there are too many HC gigs at programs out there that he would have accepted over them. Thats just a commonly acknowledged fact about Sumlin to A&M.
Now, if you think the Beckman hire was a terrible mistake at the time, please enlighten all of us who, the worlds best AD (whoever that person is) would have been able to attract to Champaignn. Just give us a few names of the people you or this fictional AD could have reasonably been expected to hire?
Ignore Mike Leach, please. Look, I know someone very well connected both to the university administration and DIA. This person has told me virtually the same things that Hair Club for Self has posted here. Michael Hogan was an unmitigated disaster for the University of Illinois. He was knee-deep in the hire process and we got what we got. The football hire process was a cluster. The men's basketball process was the same, but we may come out OK there. I can't give you names for coaches because part of who the possiblilies are is a direct result of who there boss would be. Let's just say that people who have worked for him don't beat down his door to do it again. The word gets around the coaching fraternity. The only reason that I said anything at all in this thread is because, once again, I Don't Know How to Play Football 32, comes in here spewing vitriol at people for posting their opinion. He will no doubt return to Loyalty and make cracks about this board which he has done in the past. He can do us all a favor and tell his story walkin' in my opinion. |
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Posted: 2/23/2013 3:54 PM
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Flight25 wrote:
77Grange wrote:
ahsftbll32 wrote:
MattHeldman91 wrote: Our football team did suck this last year. I really hope that we are at least competitive in our Big Ten games this year. If not, I think that Beckman should be gone and we should consider it a failed experiment. Also, if we have to fire Beckman after 2 years, I think that Thomas should be gone also. You cannot miss that badly on a football coach. Football is too important to the athletic department's revenue. This is insanely stupid. So because he could potentially fail on the Beckman hire you are going to ignore the Groce hire, the Bollant hire, the immense, sweeping changes in marketing, etc.???
The fact that the NW geek agrees with you should tell you something. No, it is not insanely stupid, it is not even stupid. The big revenue driver is football.
The insanely stupid part of this is how the process of hiring an AD was subverted and undermined by Hogan and we ended up with a guy that only the desparate want to work for......... and at premium prices...............
Groce is going to be fine, Bollant and the women will be fine (for those who care), but the big revenue sport appears to be a trainwreck and that hurts all the sports. If you don't think football is the 800# gorilla, when conferences are being realigned, why aren't they all clamoring for Kansas and Duke?
Marketing? What marketing? That knockoff of the Northshore Weenies irritating Chicago's Big Ten Team campaign? Please........ the real problem with the football program is the 19 year dismantling done by East Central Illinois' own, Ronald Guenther....dont blame the outsiders for the sorry state of the program quiet yet.... Saying that Thomas was a mistake does not put one in the Guenther camp..................I'm not. |
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