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Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:23 PM
Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
http://www.cbssports.com/colle...recruiting-game
Sounds arrogant but extremely truthful. If the B1G wants to think its competitive we have to have more than half our teams out recruit Kentucky...seriously Kentucky...
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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:51 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:07 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:11 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then Exactly. |
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:49 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
Dearth of top recruits in Midwest outside of Ohio. Gee, I wonder where Urban would go?
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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:59 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
Bingo. Of course the B10 has to recruit better to better compete with the SEC, thanks Captain Obvious, does he think teams aren't trying? (and I didn't read the article, so maybe he does) But when teams aren't playing under the same rules, you can't expect the same results. Meyer's a jacka$$, f him. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then |
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Posted: 2/9/2013 6:27 AM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
A prospective employer does not devalue a degree received from a SEC because the school uses a certain set of criteria to accept its athletes. The SEC schools sees that value of successful athletics and makes an obvious (and beneficial to their fans) choice in admissions. They're in it to win it and take great pride when they do. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then |
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:42 AM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
Very TrueOrange!  TrueOrangeAndBlue wrote:A prospective employer does not devalue a degree received from a SEC because the school uses a certain set of criteria to accept its athletes. The SEC schools sees that value of successful athletics and makes an obvious (and beneficial to their fans) choice in admissions. They're in it to win it and take great pride when they do. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then |
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Posted: 2/9/2013 8:54 AM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
TrueOrangeAndBlue wrote:A prospective employer does not devalue a degree received from a SEC because the school uses a certain set of criteria to accept its athletes. The SEC schools sees that value of successful athletics and makes an obvious (and beneficial to their fans) choice in admissions. They're in it to win it and take great pride when they do. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then neat, that has nothing to do with what I said. It doesn't change the fact that the SEC schools let in any player with a pulse, whereas Big Ten schools they have to be able to spell their names at least.
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Posted: 2/9/2013 6:35 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
Precisely. jms397 wrote:
BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then Exactly. |
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Posted: 2/11/2013 1:19 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
BashCourtIllini wrote:
TrueOrangeAndBlue wrote:A prospective employer does not devalue a degree received from a SEC because the school uses a certain set of criteria to accept its athletes. The SEC schools sees that value of successful athletics and makes an obvious (and beneficial to their fans) choice in admissions. They're in it to win it and take great pride when they do. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then neat, that has nothing to do with what I said. It doesn't change the fact that the SEC schools let in any player with a pulse, whereas Big Ten schools they have to be able to spell their names at least. If you think Big Ten football players are materially smarter than SEC players then I don't really know what to tell you. Now, the student population is a different story but there's a reason that football players are academic outliers on every campus in the nation. Schools create classes tailored specifically to them! The thing that kills the Big Ten is the committment to not allowing over-signing (not that I have a problem with that stance). If the SEC can sign as many players as they want and then cut 5+ guys loose each year, they're going to get a better incoming 25 than a B1G school ever will. The B1G way is clearly the best thing for the kids but let's all go into this with eyes wide open. If you want to win in CFB, it can't be about the kids. It's about business. If you want to treat "student-athletes" fairly, you have to be willing to watch the SEC dominate the CFB landscape. EDIT: You're right that the B1G will also have to start paying players more $ more often but don't kid yourself and think B1G players aren't already getting something
Last edited 2/11/2013 1:20 PM by IlliniLE
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Posted: 2/11/2013 6:58 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
jms397 wrote:
BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then Exactly. Why didn't Meyer say that then? Or nothing at all? Which conference had its division champions on probation last year and had to be represented by a 7-5 team in its BCS bowl? You two are pretty dumb, aren't you? |
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Posted: 2/11/2013 7:21 PM
RE: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
IlliniLE wrote:
BashCourtIllini wrote:
TrueOrangeAndBlue wrote:A prospective employer does not devalue a degree received from a SEC because the school uses a certain set of criteria to accept its athletes. The SEC schools sees that value of successful athletics and makes an obvious (and beneficial to their fans) choice in admissions. They're in it to win it and take great pride when they do. BashCourtIllini wrote:
monty5537 wrote: He is right. There is a reason why I have lost count of how many consecutive national championships the SEC has won. I looked at Scout's Top 10 and it was Michigan, Ohio St., Notre Dame, and half the SEC. If the Big 10 wants to return to being a national powerhouse as a conference from top to bottom, then it all starts with recruiting. it also needs to stop worrying about academics, and start paying more money to recruits then neat, that has nothing to do with what I said. It doesn't change the fact that the SEC schools let in any player with a pulse, whereas Big Ten schools they have to be able to spell their names at least. If you think Big Ten football players are materially smarter than SEC players then I don't really know what to tell you. Now, the student population is a different story but there's a reason that football players are academic outliers on every campus in the nation. Schools create classes tailored specifically to them!
The thing that kills the Big Ten is the committment to not allowing over-signing (not that I have a problem with that stance). If the SEC can sign as many players as they want and then cut 5+ guys loose each year, they're going to get a better incoming 25 than a B1G school ever will. The B1G way is clearly the best thing for the kids but let's all go into this with eyes wide open. If you want to win in CFB, it can't be about the kids. It's about business. If you want to treat "student-athletes" fairly, you have to be willing to watch the SEC dominate the CFB landscape.
EDIT: You're right that the B1G will also have to start paying players more $ more often but don't kid yourself and think B1G players aren't already getting something Penn St. reference here. The Big 10 clearly is limiting itself by imposing a rule on itself beyond what the NCAA requires. That's stupidity. If you think you're the Ivy league, then stop giving athletic scholarships. I suppose the 25 limit is "for the kids" too, but you're only fooling yourself if you don't think players are run off at Big 10 programs. Ask Urban Meyer. In the SEC at least, it makes sense to sign more than 25 in each class. Often times a couple recruits won't qualify, believe it or not. Also, most SEC schools lose a couple players early to the draft each. LSU lost 10 this year. Finally, there is usually a player or two kicked off for criminal behavior or academics. I realize that a 25 ship limit takes this into account to a degree, but many schools in the SEC would be under the 75 total scholarship limit without "oversigning". A rule or gentleman's agreement to enforce a yearly limit of 25 signees is very noble and all, but if you really wanted to help the kids, why not offer four year scholarships instead of the yearly renewables like everyone else? |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:35 AM
Re: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
"To further point out the difference in classes, the lowest-ranked SEC team at 247Sports.com is Kentucky, which checks in at No. 39. Here is a list of Big Ten teams that are ranked behind Kentucky: Michigan State, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue and Minnesota.
No wonder Meyer is so disappointed in his Big Ten coaching brethren. They can't even recruit with Kentucky."
We (Illini) have a long way to go .... sunk costs can be an anchor and drag you down if you keep worrying about them... |
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Posted: 2/12/2013 10:42 AM
Re: Urban Meyer wants the Big Ten to step up its recruiting game
here is an idea... Maybe Urban should fill his O$U class, then show and help all the other teams that need his help how to do it! he could help recruit for the whole conference and bring the whole conference up to the level of the SEC. |
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