You have company at the bottom.......

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--- ahsftbll32 wrote:

Your knowledge of anything associated with Illini sports is shockingly low...actually your knowledge base period is shockingly low.

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ahsftbll32 wrote: For the record, you are still the single most ignorant poster on any illini forum ever.

iluvrt wrote:

Faceman17 wrote: What is the ratio of total posts by the OP vs the number that use the phrase "out of his league".

It can't be any higher than 3 to 1.

For the record, Mike Thomas is out of his league

Wow. That's some pretty tall timber.

 You didn't just really say that, seriously?  Coming from the guy that only tries to make incredibly lame jokes and can't actually discuss any football.  Wow, absoluetly delusional. 

iluvrt wrote:

ahsftbll32 wrote: For the record, you are still the single most ignorant poster on any illini forum ever.

iluvrt wrote:

Faceman17 wrote: What is the ratio of total posts by the OP vs the number that use the phrase "out of his league".

It can't be any higher than 3 to 1.

For the record, Mike Thomas is out of his league

lol arsehatfootbalz has spoken.  If you have nothing to say, do not say it.

Can we get an advanced metric on that, or are you just using the "eyeball" test?

ahsftbll32 wrote: For the record, you are still the single most ignorant poster on any illini forum ever.

iluvrt wrote:

Faceman17 wrote: What is the ratio of total posts by the OP vs the number that use the phrase "out of his league".

It can't be any higher than 3 to 1.

For the record, Mike Thomas is out of his league

STLINI wrote:  You didn't just really say that, seriously?  Coming from the guy that only tries to make incredibly lame jokes and can't actually discuss any football.  Wow, absoluetly delusional. 

iluvrt wrote:

ahsftbll32 wrote: For the record, you are still the single most ignorant poster on any illini forum ever.

iluvrt wrote:

Faceman17 wrote: What is the ratio of total posts by the OP vs the number that use the phrase "out of his league".

It can't be any higher than 3 to 1.

For the record, Mike Thomas is out of his league

lol arsehatfootbalz has spoken.  If you have nothing to say, do not say it.

For incredibly lame posters such as yourself... and arsehat

Another great comeback as expected.  Never used the ignore button before, but I think it's time.  You're a waste of time on a board for sports discussion.  Best of luck on your comedy career, I'm not sure there's anybody that can help though. 

iluvrt wrote:

STLINI wrote:  You didn't just really say that, seriously?  Coming from the guy that only tries to make incredibly lame jokes and can't actually discuss any football.  Wow, absoluetly delusional. 

iluvrt wrote:

ahsftbll32 wrote: For the record, you are still the single most ignorant poster on any illini forum ever.

iluvrt wrote:

Faceman17 wrote: What is the ratio of total posts by the OP vs the number that use the phrase "out of his league".

It can't be any higher than 3 to 1.

For the record, Mike Thomas is out of his league

lol arsehatfootbalz has spoken.  If you have nothing to say, do not say it.

For incredibly lame posters such as yourself... and arsehat

Haha that made me laugh...Give Thomas a break, ppl give Groce a pass for the mess Weber left, why not give Thomas a pass for the mess Gunther left?  The man went for the homerun and missed, Id rather have that than not try at all...Just like Im glad to see Groce go for Big time recruits, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.  Thomas also just gave us an upgrade for the football field with a huge new scoreboard, and now is getting excitement going for the Assembly Hall upgrade, the man has done more in two years than Gunther in his life...

Illini86 wrote: Good idea, I think I'll have a few beers too...

TheBeastisback wrote: - a MISERABLE FB hire because he (MT) couldn't get ANY successful high major coach to work for him.

- a substandard BB hire, again because noe of his top targets would accept the dough because they didn't want to work with him.

He's better hope that Beckman and Groce figure things out, If they don't, he should be fired for the extremely sucky results of hjis poorly planned poorly executed searches.

Fire Mike Thomas.

Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Illinigrad wrote:

It is simple really:

If Zook had not been undercut by the administration for three years running, he could have recruited.  He was a lame duck coach and could not recruit, especially the last two years.  That is why we are where we are.  

Regardless:  Zook would have done MUCH better last season because he had a competent coaching staff, especially on D, and he would have replaced Petrino. Also, 

"his" players would have played there butts off for him.  Even in Zook's last season, if Thomas had not undercut Zook and sold the team out, they probably would have picked up at least one or two more wins. I am still convinced that the overall program would have been better by retaining Zook.  At IL you don't fire a coaching staff that takes a team to two straight bowls and start over. You just don't.  But Thomas did and if Beckman does not get the job done I would prefer that Thomas NOT select the next coach.

Beckman: Very questionable coach and weak staff.  Showed nothing.  There was not a single redeeming aspect of last season.  You could not trash a returning bowl team any worse than Beckman and his staff did.  The team did not buy in, obviously, and was woefully unprepared for games.  Beckman was simply out coached through the entire season and acted like a bumbling guy on the sidelines. He needs to prove a lot of us wrong by really showing he can coach the boys up.  The staff he is putting together appears to be better.  So, there is a SLIGHT glimmer of hope, but only slight.

IMO, this football mess falls completely on Guenther. 3-4 years ago he had to decide whether to completely commit 100% to Zook and give him a long term deal, or fire him. Instead we were in a state of limbo for a few years.

And then opposing coaches negative recruited the hell out of us, even as we were going to lower tiered bowls.

This OL we put out on the field last season, as well as the "depth" had to be have been one of the worst OL I have ever seen. Guys like Buglebob were right and beat it to death, but it hurts when you can't recruit top OL types and it catches up on you. Zook's last few classes have been pretty bad, no impact players. It absolutely killed us depth wise. Everything starts up front with the OL, and plain and simple we were awful.

Beckman can completely suck for all I know, I am still willing to give him another year or two. It is tough to win in the B1G with zero depth, especially when there are pretty significant injuries every week. Beckman made a ton of questionable calls with staff and with schemes, but I will give him the slightest benefit of the doubt. 

Mike Thomas may suck for all we know too. But at least he is trying to change the culture here. We had developed a culture of mediocrity for way too long. Zook and Weber should have been gone 3 years ago both. We should have upgraded our facilities years ago. 

We actually let Northwestern put together a "Chicago's Big Ten team" campaign? We are on freaking WIND in Chicago for games. We were a total joke. Everyone says MAC Thomas, and that may be right, but our athletic department and it's branding etc were mid major at best the past 10 or whatever years. It was a joke. We are so far behind the times, but we will be back soon.

Groce was an awesome hire and I have been one of his biggest supporters since day one as I received feedback about him and the staff he brought along. He is going to win and recruit big time here. 

Rant over.

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.

STLINI wrote:

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.

As you do Mrs. Maccy T.

Your guy Beckman and his conference record say hello.

STLINI wrote:

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.

I'm not either pro or anti- Gunther but Gunther oversaw some of the biggest upgrades in athletic facilities on campus- the Tennis complex, Ubben, Memorial Stadium, softball and soccer fields etc. He may not have been good at finding good coaches but as for facility improvement, you are dead wrong.

Rock215215 wrote: Haha that made me laugh...Give Thomas a break, ppl give Groce a pass for the mess Weber left, why not give Thomas a pass for the mess Gunther left?  The man went for the homerun and missed, Id rather have that than not try at all...Just like Im glad to see Groce go for Big time recruits, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.  Thomas also just gave us an upgrade for the football field with a huge new scoreboard, and now is getting excitement going for the Assembly Hall upgrade, the man has done more in two years than Gunther in his life...

Illini86 wrote: Good idea, I think I'll have a few beers too...

TheBeastisback wrote: - a MISERABLE FB hire because he (MT) couldn't get ANY successful high major coach to work for him.

- a substandard BB hire, again because noe of his top targets would accept the dough because they didn't want to work with him.

He's better hope that Beckman and Groce figure things out, If they don't, he should be fired for the extremely sucky results of hjis poorly planned poorly executed searches.

Fire Mike Thomas.

Guenther just kept up facility-wise.  He certainly never put the University in the forefront of facilities and Memorial Stadium was a step backwards..............

felix7 wrote: I'm not either pro or anti- Gunther but Gunther oversaw some of the biggest upgrades in athletic facilities on campus- the Tennis complex, Ubben, Memorial Stadium, softball and soccer fields etc. He may not have been good at finding good coaches but as for facility improvement, you are dead wrong.

Rock215215 wrote: Haha that made me laugh...Give Thomas a break, ppl give Groce a pass for the mess Weber left, why not give Thomas a pass for the mess Gunther left?  The man went for the homerun and missed, Id rather have that than not try at all...Just like Im glad to see Groce go for Big time recruits, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.  Thomas also just gave us an upgrade for the football field with a huge new scoreboard, and now is getting excitement going for the Assembly Hall upgrade, the man has done more in two years than Gunther in his life...

Illini86 wrote: Good idea, I think I'll have a few beers too...

TheBeastisback wrote: - a MISERABLE FB hire because he (MT) couldn't get ANY successful high major coach to work for him.

- a substandard BB hire, again because noe of his top targets would accept the dough because they didn't want to work with him.

He's better hope that Beckman and Groce figure things out, If they don't, he should be fired for the extremely sucky results of hjis poorly planned poorly executed searches.

Fire Mike Thomas.

Oh, great point.  One year does tell a complete story and does define someone's career.  Since football is a complete loss as long as MT and Beckman are in place, why do you bother following it at all?  Doesn't make sense. 

TheBeastisback wrote: Your guy Beckman and his conference record say hello.

STLINI wrote:

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.

Seriously, if this forum is even going to be habitable again, some bannings need to occur.

Grow up and accept the situation or move along. It's that easy.

because I think we are capable of being better with a better coach and a better AD hiring one.

STLINI wrote: Oh, great point.  One year does tell a complete story and does define someone's career.  Since football is a complete loss as long as MT and Beckman are in place, why do you bother following it at all?  Doesn't make sense. 

TheBeastisback wrote: Your guy Beckman and his conference record say hello.

STLINI wrote:

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.

I guess it's the way you look at it. We were far, far behind, facility wise before Gunther. The facility improvements done under his watch were more than just keeping up. When completed the Ubben Bball and Atkins Tennis complex were almost as good as any. Other folks have caught up with us there.

It took a long time to get Memorial Stadium even started, let alone done, so that was just keeping up so I am with you here. Also it was disappointing to see capacity diminished and the East side of the stadium is still in the 1920's. Although I believe long term plans are to remodel the East side and fill in the south endzone with seats, if they are ever needed.

The point is no one should be dogging Gunther about his work on facilities. As far as other aspects of the job, like hiring coaches, that is a different story.

77Grange wrote: Guenther just kept up facility-wise.  He certainly never put the University in the forefront of facilities and Memorial Stadium was a step backwards..............

felix7 wrote: I'm not either pro or anti- Gunther but Gunther oversaw some of the biggest upgrades in athletic facilities on campus- the Tennis complex, Ubben, Memorial Stadium, softball and soccer fields etc. He may not have been good at finding good coaches but as for facility improvement, you are dead wrong.

Rock215215 wrote: Haha that made me laugh...Give Thomas a break, ppl give Groce a pass for the mess Weber left, why not give Thomas a pass for the mess Gunther left?  The man went for the homerun and missed, Id rather have that than not try at all...Just like Im glad to see Groce go for Big time recruits, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.  Thomas also just gave us an upgrade for the football field with a huge new scoreboard, and now is getting excitement going for the Assembly Hall upgrade, the man has done more in two years than Gunther in his life...

Illini86 wrote: Good idea, I think I'll have a few beers too...

TheBeastisback wrote: - a MISERABLE FB hire because he (MT) couldn't get ANY successful high major coach to work for him.

- a substandard BB hire, again because noe of his top targets would accept the dough because they didn't want to work with him.

He's better hope that Beckman and Groce figure things out, If they don't, he should be fired for the extremely sucky results of hjis poorly planned poorly executed searches.

Fire Mike Thomas.

Amen!

chiefrunninggame wrote: Seriously, if this forum is even going to be habitable again, some bannings need to occur.

Grow up and accept the situation or move along. It's that easy.

Nobody is going anywhere before next season, so get over it.  The same complaint over and over isn't going to change anything. 

TheBeastisback wrote: because I think we are capable of being better with a better coach and a better AD hiring one.

STLINI wrote: Oh, great point.  One year does tell a complete story and does define someone's career.  Since football is a complete loss as long as MT and Beckman are in place, why do you bother following it at all?  Doesn't make sense. 

TheBeastisback wrote: Your guy Beckman and his conference record say hello.

STLINI wrote:

MrQuist wrote: Illini sports will never be as successful as it can be with Mike Thomas in charge.  The quicker we can get rid of him the faster we will climb that mountain.

Clearly you know him well and have a lot of data to support your argument.