tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

NUCE1991 wrote:

tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

I agree with your assessment of our WVA friend, but any ACC fan who isn't seriously worried about the eventual dissolution of the ACC - sooner or later - is, IMO, whistling past the graveyard.

Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over.

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:

tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

I agree with your assessment of our WVA friend, but any ACC fan who isn't seriously worried about the eventual dissolution of the ACC - sooner or later - is, IMO, whistling past the graveyard.

Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over.

Even if the Big Ten and/or SEC could just come in and take who they want (I think the SEC has a better chance of doing so) I doubt they would work together to destroy the ACC as that isn't their goal.  Their goal would be to get the best programs/schools and since both would probably have similar targets neither will make any moves that will help the other comparatively more than they help themself.

If this plays out, Notre Dame will be looking for a new home.

twofistedsally wrote:

If this plays out, Notre Dame will be looking for a new home.

TheHallofDoon wrote: We rushed to add MD/Rutgers.  I would take a cautious approach from here on out unless UNC is on the table.

NUCE1991 wrote:

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:

tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

I agree with your assessment of our WVA friend, but any ACC fan who isn't seriously worried about the eventual dissolution of the ACC - sooner or later - is, IMO, whistling past the graveyard.

Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over.

Even if the Big Ten and/or SEC could just come in and take who they want (I think the SEC has a better chance of doing so) I doubt they would work together to destroy the ACC as that isn't their goal.  Their goal would be to get the best programs/schools and since both would probably have similar targets neither will make any moves that will help the other comparatively more than they help themself.

Dividing up Virginia and North Carolina does help both the SEC and Big Ten. 

Currently, neither have members which come from those states.  By each conference taking one of the major schools from Virginia (UVA and Virginia Tech) and North Carolina (UNC and NC State) both conferences maximumly expand their geographical footprints and add entirely new markets for their products.

Virginia and North Carolina are the only logical direction of expansion of the SEC's geographical footprint, and are the most logical direction for the Big Ten if it is already satisfied with its ability to penetrate the NYC-Philadelphia-Baltimore corridor.

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:

tarheel2677 wrote: No offense intended to anyone, least of all the original poster here, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why people continue to treat this WVU blogger as if he/she knows anything.

At this point, it's at least as likely that the ACC survives as it is that there is a complete implosion, and it's highly unlikely that anything happens either way until the Maryland/ACC lawsuit plays out.

I'm still waiting on the press conference announcing GT to the Big Ten that was "imminent"...6-8 weeks ago.

I agree with your assessment of our WVA friend, but any ACC fan who isn't seriously worried about the eventual dissolution of the ACC - sooner or later - is, IMO, whistling past the graveyard.

Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over.

Even if the Big Ten and/or SEC could just come in and take who they want (I think the SEC has a better chance of doing so) I doubt they would work together to destroy the ACC as that isn't their goal.  Their goal would be to get the best programs/schools and since both would probably have similar targets neither will make any moves that will help the other comparatively more than they help themself.

Dividing up Virginia and North Carolina does help both the SEC and Big Ten. 

Currently, neither have members which come from those states.  By each conference taking one of the major schools from Virginia (UVA and Virginia Tech) and North Carolina (UNC and NC State) both conferences maximumly expand their geographical footprints and add entirely new markets for their products.

Virginia and North Carolina are the only logical direction of expansion of the SEC's geographical footprint, and are the most logical direction for the Big Ten if it is already satisfied with its ability to penetrate the NYC-Philadelphia-Baltimore corridor.

Both conferences appear to want schools from those two states but good luck getting them to agree on who gets which schools.  And even if they could if it got out that they were colluding to basically destroy the ACC do you really think they wouldn't get sued by those left out?

NUCE1991 wrote:   It is not a matter of the Big Ten and SEC "colluding" on anything, and nothing I wrote was intended to imply such.  When I said:

"Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over."

I was talking about the Big Ten and SEC deciding who their priority schools are, deciding how to make their best cases, and seeing how it all works out.  That is how the Big Ten and SEC will, through their actions, end up deciding how the relevant Virginia and North Carolina schools will be partitioned.

UIEightyThree wrote: see, I think NC State fits the SEC profile better, and I dont see that it matters all that much which one you do get between UNC & NC State. Either one is going to get you the cable subscribers, and while UNC has a larger national profile, NC State is a huge school in that state and immediate area.

Do you really think it matters that much to the SEC if they took NC state vs UNC?

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:   It is not a matter of the Big Ten and SEC "colluding" on anything, and nothing I wrote was intended to imply such.  When I said:

"Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over."

I was talking about the Big Ten and SEC deciding who their priority schools are, deciding how to make their best cases, and seeing how it all works out.  That is how the Big Ten and SEC will, through their actions, end up deciding how the relevant Virginia and North Carolina schools will be partitioned.

And there's the problem, both conferences will want UNC as the clear big fish in their state so the Big Ten won't do anything that would push them to the SEC nor will the SEC do anything that would push them to the Big 10.  Since I don't expect UNC will do anything until the ACC is clearly on the ropes that means nobody moves unless someone like FSU gets an invite from either the Big 10 or SEC which seems unlikely.

NUCE1991 wrote:

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:   It is not a matter of the Big Ten and SEC "colluding" on anything, and nothing I wrote was intended to imply such.  When I said:

"Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over."

I was talking about the Big Ten and SEC deciding who their priority schools are, deciding how to make their best cases, and seeing how it all works out.  That is how the Big Ten and SEC will, through their actions, end up deciding how the relevant Virginia and North Carolina schools will be partitioned.

And there's the problem, both conferences will want UNC as the clear big fish in their state so the Big Ten won't do anything that would push them to the SEC nor will the SEC do anything that would push them to the Big 10.  Since I don't expect UNC will do anything until the ACC is clearly on the ropes that means nobody moves unless someone like FSU gets an invite from either the Big 10 or SEC which seems unlikely.

After the Big Ten adds Virginia as their 15th team, the moves for Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State will fall in line pretty quickly thereafter.

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:   It is not a matter of the Big Ten and SEC "colluding" on anything, and nothing I wrote was intended to imply such.  When I said:

"Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over."

I was talking about the Big Ten and SEC deciding who their priority schools are, deciding how to make their best cases, and seeing how it all works out.  That is how the Big Ten and SEC will, through their actions, end up deciding how the relevant Virginia and North Carolina schools will be partitioned.

And there's the problem, both conferences will want UNC as the clear big fish in their state so the Big Ten won't do anything that would push them to the SEC nor will the SEC do anything that would push them to the Big 10.  Since I don't expect UNC will do anything until the ACC is clearly on the ropes that means nobody moves unless someone like FSU gets an invite from either the Big 10 or SEC which seems unlikely.

jersey73 wrote:

chiefrunninggame wrote:

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chiefrunninggame wrote: UNC and Florida State.

Academics will keep FSU out of the Big Ten

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Academics didn't prevent Nebraska.

This really isn't about academics anymore.

Nebraska was a member of the AAU (until 2011) and that was one of the reasons membership in the Big Ten was extended to them.
http://articles.chicagotribune...big-ten-members

Florida State is not.

NukeGrad wrote:

IrishTerryConklin wrote:

NUCE1991 wrote:   It is not a matter of the Big Ten and SEC "colluding" on anything, and nothing I wrote was intended to imply such.  When I said:

"Once the Big Ten and SEC decide how they are going to divide up UVA, Virginia Tech, UNC, and NC State (the additions which make sense for both conferences), the ACC is over."

I was talking about the Big Ten and SEC deciding who their priority schools are, deciding how to make their best cases, and seeing how it all works out.  That is how the Big Ten and SEC will, through their actions, end up deciding how the relevant Virginia and North Carolina schools will be partitioned.

And there's the problem, both conferences will want UNC as the clear big fish in their state so the Big Ten won't do anything that would push them to the SEC nor will the SEC do anything that would push them to the Big 10.  Since I don't expect UNC will do anything until the ACC is clearly on the ropes that means nobody moves unless someone like FSU gets an invite from either the Big 10 or SEC which seems unlikely.

If you look at the landscape from UNC and UVa's perspective (since they seem to be more prominent than NCSt and VT) you are really looking at money.  We all understand it comes down to money.

Basketball money is okay.
Football money is better.
Research dollars are much bigger.  That's why UNC and UVa are in the AAU (and NCSt and VT are not, BTW).

First, if I were a betting man, I drop Mike Ditka's soup endorsement money that UNC and UVa have been in contact with both the SEC and B10.

Next, shortly after the exit fee for Maryland is set, there will be an announcement from the B10 office that UNC and UVa will be joining the B10.  (Smaller chance is the GT and UNC.)

At that point I am not sure if the SEC jumps at VT and NCSt.  There are good arguments for both of those schools.  But the SEC would probably much rather have UT and Oklahoma.  But I don't think they can pull them out of the B12 (and they would still have the issue with the Longhorn Network.)

Regardless of what happens to NCSt and VT, after UNC and UVa climb out of the ACC pool, I see the B12 coming in and taking FSU, Miami, Pitt, & GT.  If State and VT are still open, they take them too.  That solidifies them at 16.  Somebody (SEC or B12) ends up at 16 along with the B10.

Then the Pac12 gets uppity because it hasn't gotten any press and they want some headlines and they take in....
Ummm, they take in.......
Well, BYU, Boise St, TCU, and they sew together New Mexico and New Mexico State and declare the new entity is a viable P16 school.  (Honest, my crytal ball is getting real foggy now.)

5 years from now there will a gentleman's agreement that each school in these 4 super conference will play an 8 game conference schedule, plus one non-conference game in each of the other three conferences, plus a FCS game.  After all, since it is all about the money, why play the other minor conferences and let them get some of that money.  At this point UND comes crawling to the B12 asking to be their 15th team since they can't schedule anybody but UConn and Kent State.  Hmmm, maybe the B12 then takes Marshall to round out to 16.

Note:  I have been wrong before.