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Monty shoves Cal into win.

Posted: 02/17/2013 9:17 PM

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Crazy game with something of everything, but turning point was when Monty gives Crabbe an unprovoked shove. Crabbe got hot, literally and figuratively. Wild game.
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Posted: 02/17/2013 9:44 PM

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I wouldn't say it was unprovoked, but it also wasn't something he should have done, no matter what the final score was.
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Posted: 02/17/2013 11:59 PM

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Well, that was fast. Sandy Barbour and Montgomery released a joint statement about the shove during the game:

BERKELEY – University of California Director of Athletics Sandy Barbour and head men’s basketball coach Mike Montgomery have issued the following statements on Sunday’s game against the University of Southern California.

Director of Athletics Sandy Barbour

“Sunday’s game was an emotional one for everyone who cares deeply about our men’s basketball program, and the Bears certainly showed tremendous resolve coming back to earn a win over USC. However, it is unacceptable for our coaches to have physical contact with student-athletes regardless of the circumstances. The second-half incident was certainly out of character for Mike Montgomery, and I am confident that something like this will not happen again.”
 

Head Men’s Basketball Coach Mike Montgomery

“I have great passion for this game and tonight, I let my emotions get away from me in the heat of the moment. While my intent was to motivate our student-athletes, my behavior was inappropriate and I apologize for my actions.”
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Posted: 02/18/2013 6:34 AM

Playing harder IS a plan! 


Recall Walton's critique of Cal/Monty that exhorting the team to play harder isn't a plan? Well, "the shove" seems to demonstrate that maybe playing harder is a plan. Cal's win over SC was the result of the intensity that came out after the shove. It was an amazing game. The Girls' VP got in the act with a statement calling Monty on the carpet and Monty issuing the obligatory mea culpa, but clearly the shove was the decisive stroke in last nite's game, and perhaps in Cal's season.

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Posted: 02/18/2013 7:48 AM

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I'm totally opposed to coaches physically abusing players, and that's what happened.  I'm also opposed to having a coach ripping a player in public.  Monty said "It Worked."  I say the ends never justify the means.  There are other ways to motivate your team and players than getting in their faces.  I can't stand the way Frank Martin deals with his players during games.  I don't want to see that from any coach.  You can't put your hands on players like that.

Anyone who has watched Crabbe closely knows that he is an emotional guy, and his emotions tend to affect his game.  Monty needs to work with Crabbe on that issue mainly off the court.  there are ways to deal with it on the court, but shoving and embarrassing a player in public to do that is just plain wrong.

The comeback against $C was tremendous, but I'm very upset at what I saw last night from Monty.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 7:48 AM

It's something to keep an eye on 


Monty's hall of fame coach.  Cal's lucky to have him.  I want him to be remembered more like coach K and less like Bobby Knight. 

Everyone has been saying that Crabbe responded well to the incident.  Truth is, Crabbe had been acting up during the game and it is just dumb luck that anger turning to frustration responded to the shove and yelling.  In fact, the really odd "put back" looked more like a volleyball "dig" made in frustration than a real attempt to make a shot.  However, as he calmed down, shots started falling.

I'm 99 percent sure this will not happen again (much like Tedford's incident was a one off event).  My guess is that it lasts this new cycle and then is forgotten by most of us.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 8:45 AM

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This is getting way overblown. He didn't do it trying to hurt or embarrass him. It was clearly an attempt to get his head in the game. The game, players and fans have gotten too soft over the past 10-15 years.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 11:28 AM

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It is no secret that Montgomery does not like Crabbe, Solomon and Cobb. The players don't like him either. After the Game, Montgomery initially dismissed his actions, then there was a revision, then there was the joint statement with the a.d..
He should be suspended for at least a Game.
Had Crabbe responded in kind what would his punishment have been or even worse, had he initiated the the physical contact?
What if Cal had lost? Would a written statement of apology have been sufficient?
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Posted: 02/18/2013 12:13 PM

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Posted: 02/18/2013 1:39 PM

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Posted: 02/18/2013 2:44 PM

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The conference elected to reprimand Montgomery for the shove:

http://california.scout.com/2/1267743.html
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Posted: 02/18/2013 4:26 PM

The morality police are on the job. 



Before the morality police takeover, let's put in a good word for Monty.

He's a little cranky, and a "Get-off-my-lawn" kind of coach, but his heart's in the right place. He's run the Cal program in the right way. He pushed a kid? Oh, my god!!!! For anybody of a certain age --  the days before every kid got a trophy and self-esteem became an excuse for coddling kids -- giving a kid a push to get him going used to an admirable quality in a coach.

Let's put this in perspective. Monty isn't Woody Hayes or Bobby Knight or Mike Leach. He's not a mean guy, or a bad person. My guess is that Crabbe, Cobbs, Solomon and the others on the team are probably not in love with Monty, but I would think that they respect him. My guess is that he is that demanding parent to whom one hates to deliver a bad report card, or who might get upset when you bring back the family car with a ding in it. On the other hand, he is  decent guy who is demanding in the best interests of the kids he coaches. He's kind of a throw-back kind of guy.

I am skeptical that Monty has much regret over pushing Crabbe. In his world and at his age, I'm sure that he thinks that's part of program. (It was when he was a kid.) Unfortunately, in today's world, it's not acceptable for a variety of reason. Monty has to put a lid on it and not let it happen again. Nonetheless, I hope the mock outrage that "the shove" has raised doesn't damage Monty's tenure. Maybe he can even use it to get Crabbe and all the rest to put on a good show in the rematch against Oregon.

The Monty that Cal fans know and love is sort of politically incorrect, but as much as a fan can know, he seems like a decent guy. He's not a pious Lorenzo Romar, or a cornpone Ben Howland. He's doesn't exploit his kids in the manner of a Sonny Vacaro. Rather, he's a realist and has a sense of humor. He's doing a good job. I say get off his back.

PS -- Check Dan's twitter. Captain Wilbon of the Morality Police have weighed in.

Dan Greenspan @ DanGreenspan

Mike Wilbon calling for a one-game suspension of # Cal coach Mike Montgomery on PTI.

 

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Posted: 02/18/2013 10:59 PM

Morality police 


@john: come on, young man. If Crabbe had Initiated contact or Retaliated in kind, he would have been suspended for at least one game. The Double Standard is Pure Hypocrisy.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 11:05 PM

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BluesandGold2 wrote: Everyone has been saying that Crabbe responded well to the incident.  Truth is, Crabbe had been acting up during the game and it is just dumb luck that anger turning to frustration responded to the shove and yelling.
Everything that Monty was feeling about Crabbe's performance was right on.  He was dogging it.  He is not a mentally strong player, which is why he isn't going to do well in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that shoving the player in the chest is the right way to get his attention, even if it woke him up.

Also, just because Crabbe was dogging it up until that point doesn't mean he hasn't handled it well since.  He's largely diffused what controversy there is.  There wouldn't be much at all had Monty not haughtily acted defiant about what he did last night saying "It worked, didn't it?" and "I'd do it again."  He's too old and savvy to say that kind of stuff publically and he's now suffering for saying it.  The apology on his end is forced upon him by the school and conference and is not the remotest sincere.  It's just PR.
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Posted: 02/18/2013 11:05 PM

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Well said
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Posted: 02/19/2013 12:30 AM

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YogiBear wrote:
BluesandGold2 wrote: Everyone has been saying that Crabbe responded well to the incident.  Truth is, Crabbe had been acting up during the game and it is just dumb luck that anger turning to frustration responded to the shove and yelling.
Everything that Monty was feeling about Crabbe's performance was right on.  He was dogging it.  He is not a mentally strong player, which is why he isn't going to do well in the NBA.  However, that doesn't mean that shoving the player in the chest is the right way to get his attention, even if it woke him up.

Also, just because Crabbe was dogging it up until that point doesn't mean he hasn't handled it well since.  He's largely diffused what controversy there is.  There wouldn't be much at all had Monty not haughtily acted defiant about what he did last night saying "It worked, didn't it?" and "I'd do it again."  He's too old and savvy to say that kind of stuff publically and he's now suffering for saying it.  The apology on his end is forced upon him by the school and conference and is not the remotest sincere.  It's just PR.
Not sure what the connection is between my quote and your statement.  To clarify, my statement was that Crabbe did not respond by immediately getting on the court and going on a scoring rampage.  He did get two or three rebounds and a couple of steals, but that's defense and that comes from effort.  It would be another seven or eight minutes before he scores.  After the shove, it was Solomon and Cobbs who provided all of the scoring.

Further clarification is about how Crabbe responded to the incident publicly.  (At least I thought...) Needless to say, class all the way.

As for Monty being frustrated by Crabbe, yes, Crabbe had been getting frustrated during the game and it appeared that his frustration, which earlier manifest itself in slapping the ball and in other ways, was transitioning into resignation.

Could my confusion about the juxtaposition of my quote and your statement be that we are in agreement?
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Posted: 02/19/2013 12:32 AM

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BobWashington wrote: It is no secret that Montgomery does not like Crabbe, Solomon and Cobb. The players don't like him either. After the Game, Montgomery initially dismissed his actions, then there was a revision, then there was the joint statement with the a.d..
He should be suspended for at least a Game.
Had Crabbe responded in kind what would his punishment have been or even worse, had he initiated the the physical contact?
What if Cal had lost? Would a written statement of apology have been sufficient?
It's no secret.  You are an idiot.  Go and try to stir up a controversy between the players and coaches on another school's board.  We don't suffer idiots well here.
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Posted: 02/19/2013 8:48 AM

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Rather than resort to your typical childish comments, why don't you attempt to logically answer my questions?
Now that you don't have tedford to defend any more, you should have a lot of extra time to compose answers to my 2 questions rather than needlessly point the way.
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Posted: 02/19/2013 9:53 AM

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BobWashington wrote: Rather than resort to your typical childish comments, why don't you attempt to logically answer my questions?
Now that you don't have tedford to defend any more, you should have a lot of extra time to compose answers to my 2 questions rather than needlessly point the way.

Why is it, BobWashington, that you "know" that "it is no secret" that certain players dislike the coach and that the coach returns the dislike?  How is it that the persons who follow Cal basketball, who read the articles, who listen to the commentary, have no such knowledge.  Nowhere have I seen it written, spoken, sung, or otherwise depicted that there is this animosity?

Childish am I?  For calling out a troll who is dispensing false rumors for what I can only imagine is the illusion of gain for your institution?  Have you stopped beating your wife?

I will not follow you down your road to smear Cal's program.  I will call you out for the idiot you are.  I was not happy with the Bruin trolls, but at least they did not invent false rumors to further the discussion.  An idiot is off in his own little world that he constructs to comfort himself.  Enjoy your bubble.  Now float away; that's a good little lad.
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Posted: 02/19/2013 11:40 AM

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Still no response to my questions.
still waiting for another defense of tedford.
I have seen EVERY Cal home game...sitting across the way from the Cal bench. The body language of Crabbe, Solomon and Cobb whenever Montgomery singles them out has been increasingly obvious. Montgomery's shove came from a season long frustration with these 3, particularly Crabbe.
Montgomery does not like these 3 players and has already expressed concern of their attitudes impacting his incoming recruiting class.
That's a Fact, mam.
As to your other questions, which I have no difficulty answering...I am not affiliated with any institution, although I have followed Cal since the Pete Newell days.
No, I don't beat my wife. Never have. Never will. To bring her into this is insulting to her.
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