Big DISCUSSION on the Oregon board.

...and an ARTICLE from the Register-Guard.

Can't ANY Pac-10/12 Champion stay clean? ... puts the whole "Kelly almost left" thing in a different light for Ducks who had the proverbial head in the sand.

Well, Stanford, Cal and UCLA will benefit if Oregon takes an NCAA shotgun blast, fewer rides for the Ducks mean more Nor-Cal talent stays in CA.

GldnBear71 wrote: Big DISCUSSION on the Oregon board.

...and an ARTICLE from the Register-Guard.

is all over the map.  No one really has any definitive information, just a lot of speculation.

I have a hunch the Oregon response and cooperation will serve them better than the manner in which USC tried to stonewall similar NCAA inquiries and investigations.  Just my wild guess.

GldnBear71 wrote: is all over the map.  No one really has any definitive information, just a lot of speculation.

I have a hunch the Oregon response and cooperation will serve them better than the manner in which USC tried to stonewall similar NCAA inquiries and investigations.  Just my wild guess.

Oregon and the Chipster covered a lot of things up at the beginning which will not bode well for them...late cooperation can backfire,

Keep in mind, the announced violations are only those agreed to by Oregon, and may not be the most serious.     Kinda like the guy who when first caught says, "I'll admit to stealing the gun, but not to robbing the bank and shooting  the teller."

While Oregon is admitting to "failure to monitor," the final outcome may be "Lack of Institutional Control" as both Oregon's basketball and baseball programs are also being investigated.     Remember the senior players from  Detroit suddenly leaving the Oregon bb program.     USC was hit hard for a couple of reason which Trojan fans ALWAYS fail to mention when complaining about the severity of the penalties:  (1) The were still on probation for a previous major violation when the first of the cited violations occurred 2004, (2) the men's basketball program had violations re: Mayo, and (3) the women's tennis team also committed violations.   

"Slap on the wrist" sanctions are usually related to those which don't give a competitive advantage, i.e. extra benefits to current players; Ohio State, for instance..     Significant, repeated recruiting violations over a 4-year period DO provide a competitive advantage.   The penalty will almost certainly be a significant reduction in scholarships AND a reduction in number of  coaches allowed to recruit, number of "official visits" and number of days allowed to recruit.   Given the number of players which Chip Kelly specifically mention in his thank you note to  Willie Lyles for "helping get them up here"  Oregon may very well have voided wins, perhaps for more than one season.

Given Chip Kelly's sudden "return" to Oregon when it seemed he was set to go to Tampa Bay is seems reasonable to speculate that Tampa's notoriously tightwad owner was refusing to pay Kelly's salary for time the NFL might have suspended Kelly for his NCAA violations....or it just maybe that Tampa was refusingto pay Kelly's $3.5 buyout.     I suspect it was the  former as Oregon may be considering firing him and making the buyout clause moot; or at least may have been willing to waive the buyout as they already knew about the violations before Kelly's flirtations with Tampa.

This looks bad for the Ducks.  However, by cooperating and negotiating with the NCAA, if only on the nature of the violations and not directly on the penalties, the Ducks will probably fare better than the trojans.  No one received money (at least not proven / conceded yet) so already it's not at the level of Bush / Mayo.  However, the Ducks are conceding on some pretty serious violations... it cold go as high as five scholarship per year for three years when all is said and done (but who really knows?).

Brdcstr

"As required by NCAA legislation for any institution involved in a major infractions case, the University of Oregon, shall be subject to the provisions of NCAA Bylaw 19.5.2.3, concerning repeat violators, for a five-year period beginning on the effective date of the
penalties in this case, May 4, 2004."

NT

The haters from UW need to get a life, and stop posting their redundant vile nonsense on every single message board out there. They are all over the place, spewing their anti- Oregon hatred.
Oregon is going to get penalized, but it won't be as bad as what these haters want. 
Get real.

Typical of the UW haters out there who have NO idea of what they are talking about once again.
"Senior players from Detroit suddenly leaving the Oregon BB program?
Huh?
What are you smoking?  Whatever it is, please stop. You are in need of medical attention.
Yeah, those guys left Oregon because they WERE SENIORS, and graduated from Oregon, you moron.
Maybe you expected them to stay on at Oregon to play for 3 more years as post-graduates?

No players left Oregon from Detroit early. Malik Hairston and Tajuan Porter, both from Michigan, left after their
senior seasons  when their eligibility expired.
The other players that were from other parts of the country, and were recruited to come to Oregon by former Oregon assistant Kenny Payne, were Jamil Wilson (Wisconsin), Humphries, and Dunigan (Illinois) all transferred to either other schools, or went to play professionally overseas, because both Ernie Kent and Payne left Oregon, and Dana Altman was hired as the new coach.

Please get your facts straight before taking pot-shots at Oregon in the future.

As to your other ridiculous ideas and speculation about Chip Kelly, it's just that- speculation. You, as well as other people on all these Pac 12 message boards like "Chipocrit" have NO IDEA of what took place, nor do you know of the specifics or knowledge of what really happened regarding the Tampa Bay job, nor what the NCAA is thinking about doing.
Kelly not getting the job with Tampa Bay, because of suspensions from what you think happened at Oregon with violations?
LOL!!   That's hilarious!
Yeah, Pete Carroll is laughing at you right now!
How long was he suspended from Seattle?
You sir, are an idiot.

No Oregon wins will be voided, and no, Oregon won't get the Death Penalty either, as others have said elsewhere like on the UW board, which will make all of you haters really mad, I know.
Oregon will get some scholarship reductions, and some recruiting limitations placed on their coaches and the scouting services they no longer use, and maybe a year of probation,and that is pretty much about it.

Have a nice day.

OldSilver wrote: Keep in mind, the announced violations are only those agreed to by Oregon, and may not be the most serious.     Kinda like the guy who when first caught says, "I'll admit to stealing the gun, but not to robbing the bank and shooting  the teller."

While Oregon is admitting to "failure to monitor," the final outcome may be "Lack of Institutional Control" as both Oregon's basketball and baseball programs are also being investigated.     Remember the senior players from  Detroit suddenly leaving the Oregon bb program.     USC was hit hard for a couple of reason which Trojan fans ALWAYS fail to mention when complaining about the severity of the penalties:  (1) The were still on probation for a previous major violation when the first of the cited violations occurred 2004, (2) the men's basketball program had violations re: Mayo, and (3) the women's tennis team also committed violations.   

"Slap on the wrist" sanctions are usually related to those which don't give a competitive advantage, i.e. extra benefits to current players; Ohio State, for instance..     Significant, repeated recruiting violations over a 4-year period DO provide a competitive advantage.   The penalty will almost certainly be a significant reduction in scholarships AND a reduction in number of  coaches allowed to recruit, number of "official visits" and number of days allowed to recruit.   Given the number of players which Chip Kelly specifically mention in his thank you note to  Willie Lyles for "helping get them up here"  Oregon may very well have voided wins, perhaps for more than one season.

Given Chip Kelly's sudden "return" to Oregon when it seemed he was set to go to Tampa Bay is seems reasonable to speculate that Tampa's notoriously tightwad owner was refusing to pay Kelly's salary for time the NFL might have suspended Kelly for his NCAA violations....or it just maybe that Tampa was refusingto pay Kelly's $3.5 buyout.     I suspect it was the  former as Oregon may be considering firing him and making the buyout clause moot; or at least may have been willing to waive the buyout as they already knew about the violations before Kelly's flirtations with Tampa.

Cal did it.  And your right.

but I do remember a lot of trojans saying the same thing prior to their sanctions.

You're wrong.   They would have been seniors had they stayed.  All the players you mentioned left before a new coach was named, and many were "clients" of World Wide Wes." .

your quote: "all transferred to either other schools"  is belied by your comment: "Yeah, those guys left Oregon because they WERE SENIORS, and graduated from Oregon."    NONE were graduating seniors, and none used the "my school doesn't have an advanced degree   in my chosen area of study" to transfer without losing a year as have some seniors who still have a year of eligibility.  

As far as the NFL.    The NFL do recognize college coaches who have been suspended or given "show cause" and will not let them just run to the NFL.     Carroll left well before the investigation was complete at USC AND was not shown to have had any complicity in  the violations.   (He may have known about  them but there was no finding  or showing he was involved.  Your example is just plain nonsense.)

PS: I didn't say Oregon would get the death penalty.   I said they wouldn't; though they would fall under the definition of a repeat offender.

Now, go learn to read and, perhaps, actually figure out the facts about your basketball and football teams; rather than live in the haze of denial.

spreading lies and misinformation.    But, don't worry they are just comments from the "already complete" investigation's "gray area."

LaMichael James had $9000 suddenly appear in his bank account....and claimed it was inherited from his dead grandmother who was extremely poor.

75 % of the preliminary report is redacted.    This is Oregon's release of information and only contains information Oregon has agreed to admit to at this point.   They are trying to "get ahead" of the story, so to speak.   But, the worst is  almost certainly to come; at least one would think Oregon would fight the most significant of the allegations.   Wonder what Skip Kelly said in his annual Certificate of  Compliance?     Tressel was considered to have lied to the NCAA based on his signing form 1011 (I think I am remembering the form number correctly...the AD signs a similar form 1111) and claiming no knowledge of violations.      This form (due Sept 15th of each year) should be part of the public record.

but it certainly seems to be winding down.

That indicates that most of the findings are in.  How long the NCAA Compliance fairies will fly over it and wave their wands is anyone's guess.

Seems like Oregon tried to bury the facts early on, but at least they are not dragging the investigation out ad nauseum.

Perhaps if the NCAA would extend their penalties a year for every year a guilty institution stonewalled the investigation the cooperation would improve.  Either that or schools like USC would be under penalty for several extra years.

Ladies & Gentleman, the Amazing Kreskin has returned.

OldSilver wrote: Keep in mind, the announced violations are only those agreed to by Oregon, and may not be the most serious.     Kinda like the guy who when first caught says, "I'll admit to stealing the gun, but not to robbing the bank and shooting  the teller."

While Oregon is admitting to "failure to monitor," the final outcome may be "Lack of Institutional Control" as both Oregon's basketball and baseball programs are also being investigated.     Remember the senior players from  Detroit suddenly leaving the Oregon bb program.     USC was hit hard for a couple of reason which Trojan fans ALWAYS fail to mention when complaining about the severity of the penalties:  (1) The were still on probation for a previous major violation when the first of the cited violations occurred 2004, (2) the men's basketball program had violations re: Mayo, and (3) the women's tennis team also committed violations.   

"Slap on the wrist" sanctions are usually related to those which don't give a competitive advantage, i.e. extra benefits to current players; Ohio State, for instance..     Significant, repeated recruiting violations over a 4-year period DO provide a competitive advantage.   The penalty will almost certainly be a significant reduction in scholarships AND a reduction in number of  coaches allowed to recruit, number of "official visits" and number of days allowed to recruit.   Given the number of players which Chip Kelly specifically mention in his thank you note to  Willie Lyles for "helping get them up here"  Oregon may very well have voided wins, perhaps for more than one season.

Given Chip Kelly's sudden "return" to Oregon when it seemed he was set to go to Tampa Bay is seems reasonable to speculate that Tampa's notoriously tightwad owner was refusing to pay Kelly's salary for time the NFL might have suspended Kelly for his NCAA violations....or it just maybe that Tampa was refusingto pay Kelly's $3.5 buyout.     I suspect it was the  former as Oregon may be considering firing him and making the buyout clause moot; or at least may have been willing to waive the buyout as they already knew about the violations before Kelly's flirtations with Tampa.

Once again, you are an idiot. You apparently cannot even understand what you say, so if looks like I will have to
be the one who helps you out of your own jam.
YOU said that the Detroit players left early, which they did NOT. They were SENIORS. They GRADUATED.
I made it easy for you to understand, and yet you didn't.
Since you cannot understand what you even wrote, here's YOUR QUOTE: 

Remember the senior players from  Detroit suddenly leaving the Oregon bb program.

Don't you even know how to read?
That is exactly what I responded to and corrected in your inaccurate post, and yet you dont' even get that right.
As I originally said those TWO players- Malik Hairston and Tajuan Porter LEFT after they graduated AS SENIORS, just as I said they did. They didn't "suddenly leave", as you wrongly state. They GRADUATED.
But once again, you managed to get that wrong, too.

(Swing and a miss!  Strike 3!  You're out!)

Please try to keep up and understand simple English, if you can...

Those other players that I said WERE NOT FROM DETROIT, left the Duck BB program when assistant coach Kenny Payne left for Kentucky, and Ernie Kent was fired. They left to go back home and/or to other programs.
This is common when new coaches are hired. It happens everywhere at all schools. They didn't leave Oregon for any other reason other than that. 
As I originally said, one of them- Jamil Wilson,  went back home to Wisconsin. 
You DO KNOW that Wisconsin and Detroit are NOT the same place. right?
Apparently not.
LOL!
The others FROM ILLINOIS went overseas (Dunigan) or they went to other schools, as I originally said.

Your inability to even come close to understanding my quotes and your lacking ability to even quote what I said, is too funny to believe, because you MISSED the point and you mis-understood what I was referring to.

You dim-witted Huskies seem hell-bent on accusing and pointing fingers, but you only do so in front of a mirror.
Please, please, please- learn how to read and understand what someone has said, BEFORE you
go all half-cocked and make ridiculous statements that even you cannot understand.

Our program will be penalized by the NCAA, but it won't get Chip Kelly fired, nor will it involve anything major to the Football program. A small slap on the wrist, with a year's probation (Maybe), and the loss of a few scholarships, and that's about it. 

All this will happen, while Oregon continues to beat Washington again and again and again at Football for what will be 9 straight years next fall.

Next point that you get WRONG- If Kelly had left for Tampa Bay, he would have done so long BEFORE any supposed NCAA penalties would be announced, so it would have been the SAME as Pete Carroll leaving USC. Both would have left BEFORE any NCAA infractions were to be announced, and so therefore, both would be held harmless in that regard.
Since the NCAA has NOT announced anything as of yet, and the investigation is still on-going, your statement and understanding of how things work here in regard to Chip Kelly is moot, pointless, and absurdly ridiculous as usual. Pete Carroll was not penalized by the NFL, and Chip Kelly wouldn't have been either, because neither would or could be penalized retroactively.
Additionally, I never said that YOU said anything about Oregon getting the Death Penalty. I included that in my original post, because other deranged lunatic Huskies like "Chipocrit" and others have been saying this for days now, and they are wasting their time, because it ain' gonna happen, much to their shock, sadness, and chagrin.

If YOU could read and understand simple English, you could see that I never said that YOU said it.

I said: "... as others have said elsewhere like on the UW board."

Please try to do better next time.  Maybe if you got a real education in the first place, you would KNOW better.

Have a good day.

OldSilver wrote: You're wrong.   They would have been seniors had they stayed.  All the players you mentioned left before a new coach was named, and many were "clients" of World Wide Wes." .

your quote: "all transferred to either other schools"  is belied by your comment: "Yeah, those guys left Oregon because they WERE SENIORS, and graduated from Oregon."    NONE were graduating seniors, and none used the "my school doesn't have an advanced degree   in my chosen area of study" to transfer without losing a year as have some seniors who still have a year of eligibility.  

As far as the NFL.    The NFL do recognize college coaches who have been suspended or given "show cause" and will not let them just run to the NFL.     Carroll left well before the investigation was complete at USC AND was not shown to have had any complicity in  the violations.   (He may have known about  them but there was no finding  or showing he was involved.  Your example is just plain nonsense.)

PS: I didn't say Oregon would get the death penalty.   I said they wouldn't; though they would fall under the definition of a repeat offender.

Now, go learn to read and, perhaps, actually figure out the facts about your basketball and football teams; rather than live in the haze of denial.