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Posted: 06/06/2014 1:14 AM

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In another brilliant move, Ms. Barbour has scheduled the Cal - Sac State game to start at noon. The Stanford - USC game starts at 12:30. Cal fans will be forced to choose between showing up for the Sac State game out of loyalty and watching an important game on TV. Something tells me that there will be few Cal fans at the Sac State game. Good work, Sandy!
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Posted: 06/06/2014 5:46 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: In another brilliant move, Ms. Barbour has scheduled the Cal - Sac State game to start at noon. The Stanford - USC game starts at 12:30. Cal fans will be forced to choose between showing up for the Sac State game out of loyalty and watching an important game on TV. Something tells me that there will be few Cal fans at the Sac State game. Good work, Sandy!
"showing up for the Sac State game out of loyalty"?  Loyalty?  That's the motivation?  A sense of obligation?  You really don't enjoy Cal football, do you Harold.  It's a "no brainer" for me.  Memorial stadium, nestled in Strawberry Canyon, on a warm Fall day... there are names for this: Valhalla, Paradise, a state of Nirvana.... 

If I were really interested in that other game I could record it and watch at my leisure.  However, I hate both team and can only root for each to lose (I would say a natural disaster that wipes out both teams, but then they would be Martyrs and have a movie made of the incident which would only make matters worse from my perspective). 

This was never going to be a game of national or regional interest.  It is only of interest to Cal and Sac St. fans, so for me this is a brilliant move on the part of Ms. Barbour who chose the enjoyment of the real Cal fans over the false idea that this game could give Cal good exposure.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 10:05 AM

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Cal v Sac State is a game that should not be played. It is a no win proposition for us. I've been going to Cal games since my father took me to the Cal- Washington game in 1957. We lost. However, I loved Cal football and even walked on in spite of my painfully obvious lack of speed. Fifteen points from my IQ are scattered in the grass of Evans Field.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 11:12 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Cal v Sac State is a game that should not be played. It is a no win proposition for us. I've been going to Cal games since my father took me to the Cal- Washington game in 1957. We lost. However, I loved Cal football and even walked on in spite of my painfully obvious lack of speed. Fifteen points from my IQ are scattered in the grass of Evans Field.

Then I really don't get you because there is not another football game that I would prefer to watch to any game involving Cal. 

As for the opponent, most colleges schedule using A-B-C format (in fact, most non-conference games in the SEC involve non-conference opponents like Sac State).  The "C" games let a team practice execution and get the reserves some playing time.  It matters not to me if it's a blow-out win or loss: I stay for the entire game.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:15 PM

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The point is that the "game" against Sac State is not really a game. We can only lose. Our players can be injured for the whole season and nobody will think any the better of us IF we win. After the Portland State "game" last year I would have to say it's a mighty big "if".
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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:27 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: In another brilliant move, Ms. Barbour has scheduled the Cal - Sac State game to start at noon. The Stanford - USC game starts at 12:30. Cal fans will be forced to choose between showing up for the Sac State game out of loyalty and watching an important game on TV. Something tells me that there will be few Cal fans at the Sac State game. Good work, Sandy!
You do realize that TV dictates the start times, right?
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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:58 PM

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So the PAC 12 Network, which is carrying the Sac State game, believes it to be to its advantage to have its game compete with Stanford - USC?
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Posted: 06/07/2014 6:30 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: The point is that the "game" against Sac State is not really a game. We can only lose. Our players can be injured for the whole season and nobody will think any the better of us IF we win. After the Portland State "game" last year I would have to say it's a mighty big "if".
What you are suggesting is that Cal should only play teams with whom they are evenly matched (and last season, sadly, that was Portland State; this season, it may be Sac State) because other institutions, acting in their self-interest, would not schedule games against Cal if they thought they were much better than Cal.  Then Cal could never have an upset victory or loss; teams would be relegated to certain castes such like people in India, and never would teams in different castes meet.

Schedules are made years in advance, sometimes before the players have committed to play for the institutions.  The motivation to schedule Sac State, Portland State, and East Jesus State is financial.  These schools come to Cal, take their payout, and do not expect a return visit.  It makes money for Cal.  I would think you, of all persons, would laude Ms. Barbour for acting so fiscally responsible.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 9:42 AM

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Fiscal responsibility is scheduling a Division 1AA team? The fiscal benefit from scheduling Division 1AA teams is a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert when compared to the fiscal detriment Ms. Barbour has brought us. The fiscal benefit would be far greater if we scheduled a weak Division 1A team, like Army or Idaho. The value UCLA and USC place on playing Cal is great enough that the PAC 12 split only on the condition that Cal and Stanford play USC and UCLA every year. Cal will always have the opportunity for an upset. It may be a long time before we have a chance to win as a favorite.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 10:26 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Fiscal responsibility is scheduling a Division 1AA team? The fiscal benefit from scheduling Division 1AA teams is a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert when compared to the fiscal detriment Ms. Barbour has brought us. The fiscal benefit would be far greater if we scheduled a weak Division 1A team, like Army or Idaho. The value UCLA and USC place on playing Cal is great enough that the PAC 12 split only on the condition that Cal and Stanford play USC and UCLA every year. Cal will always have the opportunity for an upset. It may be a long time before we have a chance to win as a favorite.
I would offer one small caveat to this.  In the interest of transparency, I have been critical of some of Sandy B's moves over the years as well.  But at the same time, I try to remember that she doesn't control as much as some of us seem to believe.  I try to remember that she lives in a VERY political world, in which, she appeases budgetary concerns, donors, the chancellor, academics, boosters, the stadium project, the administration, the athletic performance center, etc.  to keep her job.  She has negotiated this mine field for ten years. She has made some good choices, at least to some extent, because the Cal community has essentially endorsed her by retaining her.  If she weren't making at least some good moves, according to a majority of factions, she'd be gone.

 

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Posted: 06/09/2014 8:05 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: So the PAC 12 Network, which is carrying the Sac State game, believes it to be to its advantage to have its game compete with Stanford - USC?
The Pac12 Network ended up with a 12:00 slot that day.  Not many choices in the matter.

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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:47 AM

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Somebody gave up control over our home games to the TV. That has to be Ms. Barbour.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 12:49 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Somebody gave up control over our home games to the TV. That has to be Ms. Barbour.

It's a little more complicated than that.  I'm sure there were many persons who had to agree to let the Pac-12 have scheduling rights, and relinquishing those rights were key to the Pac being able to generate the revenues for each school that it does.  Seems fiscally responsible for me.  Besides, Memorial stadium at noon... is this really something about which a reasonable person would complain?
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Posted: 06/09/2014 2:04 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Somebody gave up control over our home games to the TV. That has to be Ms. Barbour.
I'm glad we recognize this so we can give her credit for the correct decision.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 6:34 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Somebody gave up control over our home games to the TV. That has to be Ms. Barbour.

That's what the conference gave up for that big contract.  I doubt she negotiated that point or anything else in the contract.  If you have a problem with the way it works, I would suggest contacting Larry Scott and the 12 university presidents.
 
Let me guess, Barbour was also the person on the grassy knoll in Dallas, right?
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Posted: 06/10/2014 3:12 AM

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What they are giving up is live fans. With this outrageous 11 a.m. start time this live fan will not be buying season tickets after 36 consecutive years.
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Posted: 06/10/2014 9:10 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: What they are giving up is live fans. With this outrageous 11 a.m. start time this live fan will not be buying season tickets after 36 consecutive years.
So you now expect every home game to be an 11:00 start?  That's obviously not the idea behind this or the reality, but why let that get in your way.  General consensus where this subject is being discussed seems to be that it's better than more 7-7:30 starts and worth a try.  While I'm not thrilled with any start before 12:30, it's better than getting home at 1:00 am or later from a night game, especially a miserably cold night game later in the season. It's also not a deal breaker for giving up my tickets.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out!
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Posted: 06/10/2014 5:18 PM

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I live in Sonoma County. My friend lives two blocks from the stadium. Naturally we have different perspectives on the desirability of an 11 a.m. start time. I don't know where you live. Based only on your perspective I would have to guess that you live in the east bay. A large fraction of long time Cal fans come in from the central valley. An 11 a.m. start time will be hard on them. That, of course, does not take into account  the diminution and/or elimination of social activity that is part of the tradition of college football. (Sadly,  the social activity may be what we had to look forward to the most.) Certainly Cal will get more than its share of the 11 a.m. start times. That will lead to lower attendance. It will further handicap us in rising tot he top. In college football "thems who have gets". Even the NFL gives the last place team the first draft pick.
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Posted: 06/12/2014 1:41 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: I live in Sonoma County. My friend lives two blocks from the stadium. Naturally we have different perspectives on the desirability of an 11 a.m. start time. I don't know where you live. Based only on your perspective I would have to guess that you live in the east bay. A large fraction of long time Cal fans come in from the central valley. An 11 a.m. start time will be hard on them. That, of course, does not take into account  the diminution and/or elimination of social activity that is part of the tradition of college football. (Sadly,  the social activity may be what we had to look forward to the most.) Certainly Cal will get more than its share of the 11 a.m. start times. That will lead to lower attendance. It will further handicap us in rising tot he top. In college football "thems who have gets". Even the NFL gives the last place team the first draft pick.
Interesting!  An east bay perspective.  Well, a little farther east than that, like the Folsom area.  I'm one of those who commutes to Cal games from the valley, so I've got a 2 hour trip (sometimes longer) both ways which is why late night games are not optimal for me.  And that doesn't count weeknight home games where I lose my parking space and have to add BART into the equation.  If I had to pick one of the extremes, I would go with the early start.  11:00 is hard on most everyone from having kids in sports or for those like me who like to roam in Berkeley or on campus in the morning and have a leisurely lunch prior to going to the game.  It also means that I probably need to get out of town by 7:30 in order to take in the band performance at Sproul.  I don't know what it will do to attendance for sure, other than it will effect the student section who can't seem to show up on time even for 2:00 starts.  I'm guessing all of these angles will be studied after the season and then decisions will be made by the conference heads and schools whether to continue with early games in future years.
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Posted: 06/12/2014 3:50 PM

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Well, were you on the rally committee or something? I would surmise that your enthusiasm is matched by your youth. After being disappointed for five decades it is normal that one's enthusiasm begins to wane. Likewise one's need for sleep increases with "experience". In any case I doubt that I will make the early games and may stop buying season tickets at all.
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