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Posted: 06/01/2014 10:38 AM

90 days until kickoff .... 


90 days to go until Cal kicks off the 2014 season. What are you folks most excited about for the 2014 campaign? What are you dreading? Going to any road games? Joining me in Chicago for some amazing hot dogs (and Cal-NW, too, I guess)? Hit me.
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Posted: 06/01/2014 6:15 PM

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RyanGorcey wrote: 90 days to go until Cal kicks off the 2014 season. What are you folks most excited about for the 2014 campaign? What are you dreading? Going to any road games? Joining me in Chicago for some amazing hot dogs (and Cal-NW, too, I guess)? Hit me.

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"Yep....yawn... Goff is going to attempt his 40th pass for

maybe a two yard gain during the NW game while Cal is

two touchdowns behind?"



"I hope I don't see a rerun of the 1981* or last seasons?"


GO BEARS!


* Mouse Davis' and Dykes' offenses do work well with exceptional passers that are mobile

and of course with good receivers. These passing attack offenses work extraordinarily better

against iffy defenses, like those that Portland State and LA Tech typically faced under the

aforementioned coaches. Call me a negabear if you must, but I don't think Goff is that

mobile (or durable?), and even if he is, I don't think that Pac-12 defenses are that "iffy"

enough for Dykes' offense to be that successful. Oh, yes, improved OL and WR play might

allow Cal to beat some of the weaker teams, like Colorado, Northwestern, Sac State and

maybe even 'zona or Wazzu, but not the conference elites, like ucla, u$C, Whoregon, and the 'furds.

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Posted: 06/02/2014 5:07 PM

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RyanGorcey wrote: 90 days to go until Cal kicks off the 2014 season. What are you folks most excited about for the 2014 campaign? What are you dreading? Going to any road games? Joining me in Chicago for some amazing hot dogs (and Cal-NW, too, I guess)? Hit me.

I've been a big Goff fan since I watched his elite 11 camp on espn.  I was not surprised that he became the starter as a freshman, and considering all the hype that has been given to our receiving corps, I'm looking for a throwback to the 49er offense that (under Montana) used the pass to set up the run.  My dread is that the line will not give him time or open up holes consistently for Lasco and friends.  My secondary dread is that the defense is only moderately improved as weak recruiting the last couple of seasons leads to few underclassmen stepping up into dominant roles.
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Posted: 06/03/2014 12:26 PM

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RyanGorcey wrote: 90 days to go until Cal kicks off the 2014 season. What are you folks most excited about for the 2014 campaign? What are you dreading? Going to any road games? Joining me in Chicago for some amazing hot dogs (and Cal-NW, too, I guess)? Hit me.
Excited about the potential for improvement.  Dreading the inevitable and simplistic calls for heads to roll when the 1-11 team doesn't go to the Rose Bowl 2 years into a new coaching staff.

 

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Posted: 06/04/2014 7:07 PM

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Just what degree of improvement is it reasonable to expect? What would it take for you to call for Coach Dykes' replacement? It's been 55 years since we have been to the Rose Bowl. Haven't Cal fans already been patient enough?
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Posted: 06/05/2014 11:21 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Just what degree of improvement is it reasonable to expect? What would it take for you to call for Coach Dykes' replacement? It's been 55 years since we have been to the Rose Bowl. Haven't Cal fans already been patient enough?

IMO, how long we’ve waited is irrelevant to the other questions or to what needs to be done to get us to the RB.  The central question to me regards what is reasonable to expect from: (1) a second year head coach (2) in this program.

I would evaluate Dykes according to what he does each year and ask questions such as: how good is his recruiting?  How well does the university support him in his efforts? How well does Cal play with the players he gets?  Does he address subordinate coaching problems?  Has the program stabilized enough after the last staff to fairly evaluate his performance?  How much of a priority is the football program to the university?  I would want to see him given a fair chance to succeed and to be judged according to what is possible to do at Cal at this time.

Out of the gate, I think that it would be unreasonable to expect wins against #9 Oregon, #11 Stanford, #16 UCLA, #19 USC or #25 Washington (although a win against any of these would be great).  These schools are clearly putting a priority on winning and remaining powerful.

This year, I would expect to win against Sac State and Colorado.  I think that NW, Arizona, Wash St, Oregon St and BYU could go either way (these 5 programs were undeniably better than Cal at the end of last year).  I think that if Dykes could win 3-4 games,  that would represent a reasonable improvement.

In any case, I wouldn't be willing to start from zero again until at least the third year.  I think that if Dykes couldn't get us to middle of the Pac-12 by then (AND if the university matches what other schools put into their programs), we might consider a replacement.

 

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Posted: 06/05/2014 3:39 PM

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How long we have waited is relevant. We have waited longer than anyone else in the conference and have spent more money on our football team than anyone else. That is the definition of inefficiency. When you throw more resources at an objective than anyone else and get the worst results it demonstrates that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the program is being run.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 6:20 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote:
How long we have waited is relevant. We have waited longer than anyone else in the conference and have spent more money on our football team than anyone else. That is the definition of inefficiency. When you throw more resources at an objective than anyone else and get the worst results it demonstrates that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the program is being run.
Getting to the Rose Bowl won't happen as a result of frustration or anger about what happened in the last 50 years.  It will be the result of making good decisions now and in the future.  I don't believe that firing a head coach and gutting a program every year or two will result in a RB.

I do agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with the program and it certainly predates Jeff Tedford and Sonny Dykes.

 

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Posted: 06/06/2014 8:27 AM

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jrsmithe wrote:
HaroldPMuller wrote:
How long we have waited is relevant. We have waited longer than anyone else in the conference and have spent more money on our football team than anyone else. That is the definition of inefficiency. When you throw more resources at an objective than anyone else and get the worst results it demonstrates that there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the program is being run.
Getting to the Rose Bowl won't happen as a result of frustration or anger about what happened in the last 50 years.  It will be the result of making good decisions now and in the future.  I don't believe that firing a head coach and gutting a program every year or two will result in a RB.

I do agree that there is something fundamentally wrong with the program and it certainly predates Jeff Tedford and Sonny Dykes.

Ranking the big problems that predated Tedford and Dykes:  1) the facilities, 2) an administration that was not always supportive of athletics, 3) the campus community, Berkeley, and the Bay Area in general have had an ambivalent relationship with Cal football.

The facilities are fixed, the administration is supportive, but a lot more could be done to improve community relations.  jrsmith is right about frustration being irrelevant; we can't will Cal to victory, but Harold asks the salient question: what would satisfy you for this season.  My expectations are different from what would satisfy me.  I expect Cal to win 3 games... Sac State and two upsets (I'm not putting Colorado in the win column just yet).  However, a three win season is hardly satisfying.  For me to maintain my tepid support for Dykes, I would need to see improvement on offense.  I blame Dykes for hiring his buddy Buh, but I also recognize that last season the defense was decimated by injuries.  I naturally expect  an improvement on defense with Kaufman as DC.  So my opinion about Dykes will depend on what he does with the offense... that is suppose to be his forte, so that is where I need to see substantial improvement for me to support a third season (which is, given the buyout clauses, almost certainly going to happen).
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Posted: 06/06/2014 10:00 AM

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While my frustration jumps off the page, I was not merely venting. I was talking about how Cal spends the most money on football of any team in the conference and gets the worst results. After all, UCLA and USC don't even own stadiums to spend $400M on - they both rent! What we have done is both grossly inefficient and the results have only gotten worse. Yet Ms. Barbour remains along with her 15 deputy, associate, and assistant athletic directors. If a heterosexual white male had performed like that in the private sector he not only would have been fired, he would probably be sued by the shareholders.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 12:05 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: While my frustration jumps off the page, I was not merely venting. I was talking about how Cal spends the most money on football of any team in the conference and gets the worst results. After all, UCLA and USC don't even own stadiums to spend $400M on - they both rent! What we have done is both grossly inefficient and the results have only gotten worse. Yet Ms. Barbour remains along with her 15 deputy, associate, and assistant athletic directors. If a heterosexual white male had performed like that in the private sector he not only would have been fired, he would probably be sued by the shareholders.
I agree with BluesandGold2's comment "...3) the campus community, Berkeley, and the Bay Area in general have had an ambivalent relationship with Cal football."  Can you imagine Sandy B surviving in the Auburn or Alabama football communities?  She wouldn't survive as a high school AD in places like that!

 

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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:08 PM

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Apparently we are in agreement. What do you think it would take to get Nick Sabin to come to Cal? He might enjoy the challenge of coaching at Cal. He might also relish the opportunity to live in the bay area. Whatever it would take to get a top tier coach it would be worth it. It is penny wise and pound foolish to spend $400M on a stadium rebuild that was justified in large part as a recruiting device and then scrimp on the head coach.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:18 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: While my frustration jumps off the page, I was not merely venting. I was talking about how Cal spends the most money on football of any team in the conference and gets the worst results. After all, UCLA and USC don't even own stadiums to spend $400M on - they both rent! What we have done is both grossly inefficient and the results have only gotten worse. Yet Ms. Barbour remains along with her 15 deputy, associate, and assistant athletic directors. If a heterosexual white male had performed like that in the private sector he not only would have been fired, he would probably be sued by the shareholders.
The stadium renovation is really a separate matter since it was 40 years overdue and no one in the conference has to deal with the issues Cal does.  I don't think any school in this conference neglected their facilities more than Cal did, and the fans were not going to accept any other option other than having the existing facility renovated.  The "rent" issue is a moot point considering the howls of discontent you'd hear on this forum if they paid rent and played elsewhere. 
Without the stadium in the equation, did Cal spend far more than anyone else on football?  No, and not even close. 

Your real and only issue is the text I've bolded above.  Nothing new.  Until Barbour and her 15 assistants are replaced with a new AD and 15 new assistants, you will not rest.  Then you just had to introduce sexual preferences into the argument rolleyes  I'm guessing you don't work in the corporate world since there are numerous examples of heterosexual white male CEO's making a killing while running companies into the ground.  Just look at the Wall Street meltdown of '07/08.  Look at the massive salaries and golden parachutes still given to these underperforming CEO's who move from company to company while being given contracts that make them more or less immune to shareholder concerns.  Considering the performances throughout the athletic department, you can't reasonably say that this AD has underperformed unless your only criteria is football.  Before you start complaining about the decisions surrounding baseball and such, please take into consideration Title IX requirements.

Maybe you need to sue the Regents or UCB administration to satisfy your lust.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 2:24 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Apparently we are in agreement. What do you think it would take to get Nick Sabin to come to Cal? He might enjoy the challenge of coaching at Cal. He might also relish the opportunity to live in the bay area. Whatever it would take to get a top tier coach it would be worth it. It is penny wise and pound foolish to spend $400M on a stadium rebuild that was justified in large part as a recruiting device and then scrimp on the head coach.

Do you have about $10mil/year to throw around for starters?  And another $5-10 mil for assistants for starters?  Besides, Saban isn't going anywhere.

The stadium is a recruiting device.  Can you imagine trying to sell anything to a recruit with a non-renovated CMS?  That's a non-starter in today's world of college athletics.
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Posted: 06/06/2014 3:04 PM

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You sure are torqued, aren't you? 

Football is the tail that wags the dog. Football and rugby are the only two sports I am really interested in.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 3:58 PM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: Apparently we are in agreement. What do you think it would take to get Nick Sabin to come to Cal? He might enjoy the challenge of coaching at Cal. He might also relish the opportunity to live in the bay area. Whatever it would take to get a top tier coach it would be worth it. It is penny wise and pound foolish to spend $400M on a stadium rebuild that was justified in large part as a recruiting device and then scrimp on the head coach.
I doubt that many at Saban's level would be willing and I base that on a reward vs. risk basis.  I love Cal but if I were coaching at a higher level, I would have to ask myself how that could advance my career.  Particularly if it went south and the community turned toxic on me.

 

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Posted: 06/07/2014 8:25 PM

Reality check 


Saban to Cal? Get real. Saban is a greedy SOB, but (1) he's not coming whatever Cal might offer him and (2)the conditions for success of a Saban type program do not exist at Cal. Remember: Marv Levy stank when he coached at Cal.
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Posted: 06/08/2014 1:48 AM

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Marv Levy would punt on first down if we had the ball inside our own ten. That was his decision. Cal did not make him do it.

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Posted: 06/09/2014 8:27 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: You sure are torqued, aren't you? 

Football is the tail that wags the dog. Football and rugby are the only two sports I am really interested in.
Then lets drop all other sports, drop out of the Pac12 as a result, and just concentrate on the two sports that you give a damn about.  This is what is wrong with college $port$.

Sorry, I get torqued when I read ignorant commentary.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 9:45 AM

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Ms. Barbour is the one with the "anything for a buck" mentality, not me. When I was a kid they gave free seats in the south end zone to kids from local play grounds, the YMCA,  and the Berkeley Junior Traffic Police. The south end zone was littered with the tops of frozen orange juice cups ("gremlins") until there was an outbreak of food poisoning and they stopped selling them. Ms Barbour did away with the free seats for kids. She raise prices for the best seats in the stadium until it was impossible to sell them. Don't give me this anything for a buck crap.
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