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Posted: 12/30/2012 10:23 PM

Rose Bowl Credentials 


Not one coach during Jeff Tedford's tenure at Cal had ever played in or coached in a Rose Bowl. That will change on Jan. 2, when Andy Buh arrives in Berkeley after coaching Wisconsin. Just some food for thought.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 8:22 AM

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RyanGorcey wrote: Not one coach during Jeff Tedford's tenure at Cal had ever played in or coached in a Rose Bowl. That will change on Jan. 2, when Andy Buh arrives in Berkeley after coaching Wisconsin. Just some food for thought.

Interesting.  It's not surprising, but just another nail in his coffin.  Just goes to Tedford's inability to hire top talent.

By the way, Pete Alamar will now have a rose bowl on his resume.

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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:20 AM

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RyanGorcey wrote: Not one coach during Jeff Tedford's tenure at Cal had ever played in or coached in a Rose Bowl. That will change on Jan. 2, when Andy Buh arrives in Berkeley after coaching Wisconsin. Just some food for thought.

Interesting.  It's not surprising, but just another nail in his coffin.  Just goes to Tedford's inability to hire top talent.

Yeah.  The university and fanbase bear no responsibility in that regard either.  Our football culture is every bit as zealous as say Alabama or Florida.  I hear we had to fight Urban Meyer off with a stick.  Tedford should have been able to draw in the most elite talent.  Tedford simply lacked enough personality or charisma or whatever.  All that elite talent was just itching to come here.   Any other coach would have been able to effortlessly juggle the Athletic Performance Center, stadium improvements, recruiting, coaching, supervision, play-calling, tree-sitters, etc. for 10 years without difficulty.  His wins were a fluke too.  Its just that simple.

 

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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:41 AM

A charismatic Tedford? He has a permanent scowl. Post Rating (1 vote)


I think that you have put your finger right on Tedford's problems. He really has no charisma. You cannot play good football with a flat affect. I never saw any emotion from Tedford except to berate his players.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 10:24 AM

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I wouldn't call Chip Kelly charismatic.

The sarcasm of jrsmithe's post was so obvious that I assume you just ignored it, Harold.

I don't think Tedford's struggles had anything to do with charisma.  He struggled in many ways toward the end, including but not limited to his inability to retain control of the team.  The inmates were running the asylum.  He also refused to accept responsibility for anything that went wrong, scapegoating his assistants and never considering where the buck stops.

Talent is not the problem.  Oregon State and Boise State are clear examples of teams that succeed with less talent than Cal enjoys.  Remember the season opener?  Does Nevada have more talent than Cal?

jrsmithe outlines a whole lot of excuses for Tedford's poor performance but they are just that - excuses.  Excuses don't feed the bulldog.  Results are what matter and JT hadn't achieved good results since 2006.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 3:56 PM

I agree with Mig. However, charisma requires being liked. Post Rating (2 votes)


People who "...(refuse) to take responsibility for anything that (goes) wrong, (scapegoat  subordinates) and never consider where the buck stops..." are not going to be liked. Who have you ever heard of who did those things and was still popular? Who have you ever heard of who you thought was unpopular but also had charisma?
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Posted: 12/31/2012 6:08 PM

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mig1964 wrote: I wouldn't call Chip Kelly charismatic.

The sarcasm of jrsmithe's post was so obvious that I assume you just ignored it, Harold.

I don't think Tedford's struggles had anything to do with charisma.  He struggled in many ways toward the end, including but not limited to his inability to retain control of the team.  The inmates were running the asylum.  He also refused to accept responsibility for anything that went wrong, scapegoating his assistants and never considering where the buck stops.

Talent is not the problem.  Oregon State and Boise State are clear examples of teams that succeed with less talent than Cal enjoys.  Remember the season opener?  Does Nevada have more talent than Cal?

jrsmithe outlines a whole lot of excuses for Tedford's poor performance but they are just that - excuses.  Excuses don't feed the bulldog.  Results are what matter and JT hadn't achieved good results since 2006.
My goal wasn't to make excuses for JT but rather, to make the point that solely blaming JT for the totality of circumstances isn't exactly fair.  The head coach isn't the only factor in what creates success or failure.

I'm also a little disappointed to see some folks practically villify a guy we hired and kept for so long (the 19th longest CFB tenure of all time).  Many seem to have forgotten what things looked like before JT.

Just for the record, I have never stated that JT should not have gone.  I just don't think that someone who has obviously worked so hard and made such a sustained effort needs to be hammered in the fashion that many seem to feel is necessary.

 

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Posted: 12/31/2012 7:05 PM

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jrsmithe wrote:
Just for the record, I have never stated that JT should not have gone.  I just don't think that someone who has obviously worked so hard and made such a sustained effort needs to be hammered in the fashion that many seem to feel is necessary.
JT was paid handsomely for inferior results and his last couple years it didn't even seem like he was trying, and he was happy to point fingers at everyone but himself for the team's woes.  Under the circumstances I don't think the criticism is unwarranted.  He got plenty of thanks for his earlier years, to the tune of $2.3 million thanks per year.  If he has any honor he will accept a modest negotiated buyout.
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Posted: 12/31/2012 9:13 PM

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mig1964 wrote:
jrsmithe wrote:
Just for the record, I have never stated that JT should not have gone.  I just don't think that someone who has obviously worked so hard and made such a sustained effort needs to be hammered in the fashion that many seem to feel is necessary.
JT was paid handsomely for inferior results and his last couple years it didn't even seem like he was trying, and he was happy to point fingers at everyone but himself for the team's woes.  Under the circumstances I don't think the criticism is unwarranted.  He got plenty of thanks for his earlier years, to the tune of $2.3 million thanks per year.  If he has any honor he will accept a modest negotiated buyout.
Yeah, you're right.  It was totally JT.  We'll be in the national championship now.  We would already be there if he hadn't gotten in the way.

 

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Posted: 12/31/2012 11:20 PM

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jrsmithe wrote: 
Yeah, you're right.  It was totally JT.  We'll be in the national championship now.  We would already be there if he hadn't gotten in the way.
Not even close to what I wrote.
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Posted: 01/01/2013 10:18 AM

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mig1964 wrote:
jrsmithe wrote: 
Yeah, you're right.  It was totally JT.  We'll be in the national championship now.  We would already be there if he hadn't gotten in the way.
Not even close to what I wrote.
True.  What you actually wrote was that it didn't seem like JT was trying toward the end, which is ridiculous to anyone who has coached even at the youth football level.  If you believe that paying someone well (pursuant to a merit-based contract) and thanking him while he is winning justifies all of what is being said while he struggles, then I guess you're good to go.  I find it unusual that you and those who share your general opinion fail to acknowldge all the factors that build a 3-9 season.  It's a part of our culture here. 

It's not lost on potential high level coaches though.  I had some good laughs at some of the names thrown about right after JT's dismissal.  John Gruden was probably the best example.

 

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Posted: 01/01/2013 2:05 PM

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jrsmithe wrote: 

I find it unusual that you and those who share your general opinion fail to acknowldge all the factors that build a 3-9 season.  It's a part of our culture here.
Oh no, I acknowledge these factors.  Where to begin?
1) Not informing the team that the QB they prepared to start wouldn't start the season opener until the last minute, while the coaches knew this since early summer.
2) Attempting a field goal at tOSU on 4th and short when the running game was doing well and the FG kicker had already missed several times from distance.
3) Stubbornly sticking with an ineffective, inferior QB whose best qualification was his accidental relationship to a talented wide receiver.
4) Keeping the most talented tailback on the bench and passing the buck to his RB coach.

Should I continue or is your head still stuck in the sand?

There are plenty of factors which lead to a 3-9 season.  The buck stops where?
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Posted: 01/01/2013 4:07 PM

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mig1964 wrote:
jrsmithe wrote: 

I find it unusual that you and those who share your general opinion fail to acknowldge all the factors that build a 3-9 season.  It's a part of our culture here.
Oh no, I acknowledge these factors.  Where to begin?
1) Not informing the team that the QB they prepared to start wouldn't start the season opener until the last minute, while the coaches knew this since early summer.
2) Attempting a field goal at tOSU on 4th and short when the running game was doing well and the FG kicker had already missed several times from distance.
3) Stubbornly sticking with an ineffective, inferior QB whose best qualification was his accidental relationship to a talented wide receiver.
4) Keeping the most talented tailback on the bench and passing the buck to his RB coach.

Should I continue or is your head still stuck in the sand?

There are plenty of factors which lead to a 3-9 season.  The buck stops where?
I completely understand the concept of where the buck stops.  Again, I never said that JT shouldn't be fired.  And if you want to believe that he made all the recruiting, academic, facility, budget, etc. decisions (speaking of having one's head in the sand), feel free to do so. 

Once again, my central point was that a guy that clearly tried and often succeeded doesn't have to be villified...unless you can explain how that translates into future talent wanting to come our way.  Or we could just act like the Raiders fanbase. Hey, if it makes you feel better to kick him on the way out, at least some good is served.rolleyes

 

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Posted: 01/01/2013 5:07 PM

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I have no need to continue bashing Tedford.  I agree there are challenges in this environment but many of his problems were self-inflicted.  I am optimistic about this new staff, particularly on the offensive side, because Dykes and his assistants are all saying the right things.  Its been a long time since we've had an effective offense.
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Posted: 01/02/2013 10:57 AM

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The age of the internet led to the demise of JT.

Nothing else can even be considered.........

End of story

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Posted: 01/03/2013 8:07 AM

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Calnole wrote: The age of the internet led to the demise of JT.

Nothing else can even be considered.........

End of story

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Yes, if only Tedford was coaching in the age of the telegraph...
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Posted: 01/03/2013 8:27 AM

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HaroldPMuller wrote: I think that you have put your finger right on Tedford's problems. He really has no charisma. You cannot play good football with a flat affect. I never saw any emotion from Tedford except to berate his players.

Tedford coached hundreds of players during his tenure and I don't see any coming out of the woodwork complaining that they were berated by him or any other coaches.  You always come up with the same 2 lousy examples every time you mention this.  There is Levy in the bowl game (which he deserved!), and Riley in the OSU game because Tedford slammed down his clipboard when Riley did the one thing that he wasn't supposed to do on that ill-fated play.  Considering the circumstances, Tedford's reaction is not all that unusual for someone in his position.  Do you possibly have any other examples of this abuse you refer to?  And if you want to see some good berating of players and coaches alike, just read some of the comments in this forum (yours included) over the last couple years.  Hell, look at some of the comments here and in the other forum with regard to new coaches who are being "berated" before they've ever coached a game.
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Posted: 01/03/2013 8:18 PM

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EGbear wrote:
HaroldPMuller wrote: I think that you have put your finger right on Tedford's problems. He really has no charisma. You cannot play good football with a flat affect. I never saw any emotion from Tedford except to berate his players.

Tedford coached hundreds of players during his tenure and I don't see any coming out of the woodwork complaining that they were berated by him or any other coaches.  You always come up with the same 2 lousy examples every time you mention this.  There is Levy in the bowl game (which he deserved!), and Riley in the OSU game because Tedford slammed down his clipboard when Riley did the one thing that he wasn't supposed to do on that ill-fated play.  Considering the circumstances, Tedford's reaction is not all that unusual for someone in his position.  Do you possibly have any other examples of this abuse you refer to?  And if you want to see some good berating of players and coaches alike, just read some of the comments in this forum (yours included) over the last couple years.  Hell, look at some of the comments here and in the other forum with regard to new coaches who are being "berated" before they've ever coached a game.
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Posted: 01/04/2013 8:26 AM

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RyanGorcey wrote: Not one coach during Jeff Tedford's tenure at Cal had ever played in or coached in a Rose Bowl. That will change on Jan. 2, when Andy Buh arrives in Berkeley after coaching Wisconsin. Just some food for thought.
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biggrin Not as much as your team will when we play with "Sonny's uptempo game". Those Behemoths you have on the line will be huff'n and puff'n ( of course they may be used to doing that with "other things"). But I can say we enjoyed Pac-12 winning! Congrats to your team. Let's hope Harbaugh doesn't leave a legacy for not winning the big one for the Niners this year.
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