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New Coaching Staff-Where are the Black Coaches?

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Posted: 12/25/2012 1:43 PM

New Coaching Staff-Where are the Black Coaches? 


Now that Dykes has basically filled out his staff with the recent additions of Stewart and Sacks, I feel that it is necessary to point out that what concerns me is the lack of Black coaches.  I'm very upset at the lack of Black coaches in general in the NCAA.  Cal's lack of Black coaches presents a real cultural problem for me and goes against my Berkeley upbringing.

Posted: 12/25/2012 4:39 PM

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You kind of wonder if Cal can be competitive in recruiting without African-American coaches?
I'm happy for Ron Gould that he got a head coach job at Davis (I'm looking for Gould to turn Davis into a big program), but you wonder how Dykes couldn't find a place for Gould on his staff?
I saw that Gould is only getting about $235,000 a yr. at Davis - they're getting a great bargain.

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Posted: 12/25/2012 4:45 PM

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Okay. How about an Asian one then. Indian? Latino.

Posted: 12/25/2012 6:50 PM

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Why not? SC - not a place known as a bastion of progressive thought - has its share of African American coaches who are not so incidentally connected to Black high schools. They also had Kennedy Polamalo and Norm Chow who had been effective in recruiting kids from the islands. When Pete Carrol was at SC, he had Rocky Seto on his staff. This isn't a matter of making minority hires, but rather having people in place who can relate to the target communities that have quality recruits.

Last edited 12/26/2012 9:10 AM by jonfromwlv

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Posted: 12/26/2012 8:03 AM

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BearinOC wrote: Okay. How about an Asian one then. Indian? Latino.
Absolutely.  Then we'll need a female coach, a handicapped coach, an alternative lifestyle coach, a height-challenged coach and a muslim.  Cal really needs to break out of it's conservative image and establish itself as a progressive type of institution.  In fact, coaching ability should have nothing to do with this decision.  Using all the crayons in the box is what matters.

 

Posted: 12/26/2012 8:21 AM

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jonfromwlv wrote: You kind of wonder if Cal can be competitive in recruiting without African-American coaches?
I'm happy for Ron Gould that he got a head coach job at Davis (I'm looking for Gould to turn Davis into a big program), but you wonder how Dykes couldn't find a place for Gould on his staff?
I saw that Gould is only getting about $235,000 a yr. at Davis - they're getting a great bargain.
Very good point about recruiting.  Not sure that was the point of the original post (read more like a liberal diversity rant), but bottom line is that young African-American players do want to see people "like them" in more senior positions.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:04 AM

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CalHiGramps wrote: Now that Dykes has basically filled out his staff with the recent additions of Stewart and Sacks, I feel that it is necessary to point out that what concerns me is the lack of Black coaches.  I'm very upset at the lack of Black coaches in general in the NCAA.  Cal's lack of Black coaches presents a real cultural problem for me and goes against my Berkeley upbringing.

Are you suggesting that Dykes should have selected a coach with lesser credentials to satisfy a diversity requirement?  The only way one can legitimately increase the number of minorities in any field is to select a person who has no previous experience into a position.  Taking a coach from one school to fill a diversity of need at another school does little to increase the total number of minority coaches within the finite ranks of the NCAA.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:11 AM

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My original post was designed to elicit responses and that's why it was written that way.  Some of you got it and understand the nature of recruiting and having the players be able to relate to their coaches.  Most Pac 12 universities have a 4:10 ratio of African American players, and most of those coaching staffs have a similar ratio, or slightly less percentage of African American coaches.  This is not an x and o issue.  It is a cultural issue, but there are plenty of African American coaches who can x and o with the best of them.  They just never get their chance in the NCAA.  Stanford goes to the Rose Bowl twice in a 12 year period with two different African American coaches.  Doesn't it just burn you up that Stanford is in the Rose Bowl this year and Cal hasn't been there for over 40 years?

The point is that if you are an African American, highly rated high school player and you are being recruited by a football staff that does not have many people who look like you, you may decide to choose a school that has a coach you think you can relate to.

A secondary point is THIS IS BERKELEY!  If there is any university in the country that should be on the leading edge of diversity, this is the one.

I've previously posted that I was not in favor of hiring Dykes and i still remain committed to that opinion.  Nothing he has done has changed my thinking.  Obviously, we can't make any factual determination about this hire until the Bears play some games.  So, we are going to have to wait until that time to see if i'm going to have to eat my words.  Remember what I previously said, and this is despite the fact that i was calling for Tedford to go over two years ago, the measure the Dykes has to live up to are the first three years of the Tedford era--Pac 10 coach of the year in his first year and a 10-1 regular season record by his third year.

Posted: 12/26/2012 9:16 AM

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I really can't believe that folks seem to be saying that hiring a black coach constitutes  hiring someone with "lesser credentials." I can't believe that the school that started the Free Speech Movement in 1964 has descended to the level that the idea of hiring some black coaches (to coach a predominantly black squad) is met with opposition.

Is this Berkeley? This kind of attitude doesn't auger well for the future of Cal football.

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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:54 AM

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jonfromwlv wrote: I really can't believe that folks seem to be saying that hiring a black coach constitutes  hiring someone with "lesser credentials." I can't believe that the school that started the Free Speech Movement in 1964 has descended to the level that the idea of hiring some black coaches (to coach a predominantly black squad) is met with opposition.

Is this Berkeley? This kind of attitude doesn't auger well for the future of Cal football.

Flapping key strokes about the Free Speech Movement and telling us what Berkeley is, or isn't, totally misses the point of what is going on here on this board.  Free speech is about being able to express one's opinions in a safe environment.  Expressing opinions between open minded individuals leads to progressive movement in thought.  Progressive thought leads to progressive action.  THAT IS, in fact, BERKELEY!  THAT IS, in fact, FREE SPEECH!

Edit:  You should note from my original post that the "lessor credential" term was in the context that to increase the absolute number of minorities in the ranks of NCAA coaches, you can't simply select from the finite number available, moving pieces around the puzzle doesn't add new pieces.   The "Lessor Credential" term was to describe a candidate with potentially no previous football experience.  I was asking for clarification from the original poster as to how he expects to further minorities in the coaching ranks, by what seemed like a moving of the pieces, but not adding new pieces.

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Posted: 12/26/2012 9:58 AM

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CalHiGramps wrote: Most Pac 12 universities have a 4:10 ratio of African American players, and most of those coaching staffs have a similar ratio, or slightly less percentage of African American coaches.  This is not an x and o issue.  It is a cultural issue, but there are plenty of African American coaches who can x and o with the best of them.  They just never get their chance in the NCAA.  The point is that if you are an African American, highly rated high school player and you are being recruited by a football staff that does not have many people who look like you, you may decide to choose a school that has a coach you think you can relate to.

So  if you were in Dykes position, what criteria would you use in selecting your coaches in order of most important to least important qualifications?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:47 AM

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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:57 AM

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jonfromwlv wrote: I really can't believe that folks seem to be saying that hiring a black coach constitutes  hiring someone with "lesser credentials." I can't believe that the school that started the Free Speech Movement in 1964 has descended to the level that the idea of hiring some black coaches (to coach a predominantly black squad) is met with opposition.

Is this Berkeley? This kind of attitude doesn't auger well for the future of Cal football.
I can't believe that folks are implying that the absence of a Black coach is the result of culture (we didn't pick a Black coach because we are culturally insensitive) and that White coaches can't recruit a Black student.  Wasn't Lupoi White?  Are we so short on viable criticisms of Dykes and his staff that we are looking at the color of his skin too?  Will anyone be moaning about this mock issue if we go 8-4 next year?

 

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Posted: 12/26/2012 10:58 AM

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WWW wrote:

"where the white women at?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=493pL_Vbtnc


There is no room for humor in this thread.  devil

Last edited 12/26/2012 11:34 AM by CALiforniALUM

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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:10 AM

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CalHiGramps wrote: ...Most Pac 12 universities have a 4:10 ratio of African American players....  

Take a look at this:  African Americans Gain First Majority in Division I Football

Blacks make up 45.8 percent of players in Division 1 football to the 45.1 percent for whites.  I guess this further substantiates your assertion that we need more black coaches?   Must we also ensure equality by admitting more white players into programs.  There must be a cultural issue with the system that we only recruit blacks into football programs.  Clearly white players are no longer afforded the same opportunities that blacks have even though they play the Xs and Os equally well.

(Sarcasm Alert)

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Posted: 12/26/2012 11:40 AM

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I see the logo that you have created. Your comments have a deviously insidious quality. I just wonder whether you're putting us on, and in fact, you're a tree/Stanford troll?

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Posted: 12/26/2012 12:36 PM

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jonfromwlv wrote:
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I see the logo that you have created. Your comments have a deviously insidious quality. I just wonder whether you're putting us on, and in fact, you're a tree/Stanford troll?

You make me laugh. biggrin

The CAL Forestry program is one of the oldest on campus (1914), with its roots going back to the original Agricultural College days.  You should visit Mulford Hall some day and take in "the wood" on "the walls" of "the halls".  I'd also argue that the library in Mulford is a little known gem in terms of finding a place to study.  The logo you seem to think I created for devious intentions, is the logo of the CAL Forestry Club, one of the oldest clubs on campus. If I recall correctly, the Club's annual Christmas Tree sale is only one of two sanctioned club fundraisers allowed on campus each year, but many students don't even know that Christmas trees are sold on campus because they go home for the holidays.  You may see some of the trees around campus in various buildings and in some of the stores around campus - we used to sell 20-25 foot trees to local banks, International House, Chancellor's Office etc..  The other university sanctioned function is the Daffodil sale - I think it is a sorority based fundraiser.  I would argue that if there was a group of people on campus who know how to deal with the Furd tree, it would be CAL Foresters.  Also doubtful that somebody with my post count on this board is a troll, but you can see when I joined.

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Posted: 12/26/2012 1:15 PM

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jonfromwlv wrote:
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I see the logo that you have created. Your comments have a deviously insidious quality. I just wonder whether you're putting us on, and in fact, you're a tree/Stanford troll?
He joined over 10 years ago and has 1138 posts....  Probably lying in wait all this time for just this moment to derail any progressive/liberal agenda.  Too funny.  "Deviously insidious?"  Hear that one on Rachel Maddow?

 

Posted: 12/26/2012 1:39 PM

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Didn't know, but interesting. Nonetheless, having established your bona fides, I still think that Cal/Dykes would be well served by having some African American coaches on his staff. Can you name another major program that doesn't have a black assistant and doesn't recognize that a black coach is more likely to have rapport with the parents of black kids?
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Posted: 12/26/2012 2:27 PM

Considering race in hiring violates the California Constitution Post Rating (4 votes)


I would point out simply that any consideration of race in the hiring of any public employee is a violation of Article I section 31`of the California Constitution. This is more commonly known as Proposition 209. It reflects the values of our people that race should not be a factor in hiring any public employee, whether to promote "diversity" or for any other reason. Coach Dykes was true to the values of the People of the State of California when he hired his staff because he felt that they would be the people most likely to get us to the Rose Bowl. This is the only valid consideration.
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