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Posted: 12/22/2012 12:20 PM

Positional Battles: You Make the Call 


We're going to do one of these every week, because I want to get you all involved in these message boards.

So, our first Positional Battle for 2013: Quarterback. 

Do you go with Bridgford, the pocket passer with game experience?
Do you go with the rocket arm of Zach Kline?
Do you go with a dark horse Austin Hinder, or the true freshman-to-be Jared Goff?

Make your choice, and make your case.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 12:25 PM

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Kline has all the intangibles to be an AA qb and put up record numbers, and for him get the job he has to be consistent, confident, minimize turnovers and be the leader many have called him and I have no doubt he would win it.  While star ratings don't mean anything once you arive in college, he is still that extremely talented qb everyone has called him.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:05 PM

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Hinder.  He turned down a scholarship offer from Notre Dame.

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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:36 PM

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Go into spring camp with an open mind, pick the best QB.  Unlike others I have never ruled out the possibility Bridg can find his rhythm with the proper coach.  I don't think the fact he has only one season left should be a factor pro or con.  That said, it seems unlikely he will beat our Kline, based on reports from those who have seen him in action, and what we've seen from Bridg to date.  The only reason I hold out hope for Bridg is because no QB looked good under Tedford from 2008 onward, and I blame Tedford more than the players.
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:59 PM

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My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Posted: 12/23/2012 1:26 PM

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My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Bridge ford only qb with real college game time experience

All others are interesting high school prospects that have to learn the speed of the college game

It usually take one to two years befor a college qb "gets it"

Look for cal to give the starting nod to bridge ford and then transition Kline in

This will be a transition year door cal learning the new system and recruiting players that fit the system

5-6 wins would be a good goal after the 2012 abortion
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Posted: 12/23/2012 3:53 PM

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First of all, it is spelled Bridgford. Secondly, no way he starts! Kline (already gets it) for the next three years.

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--- clunkyregistration wrote:

My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Bridge ford only qb with real college game time experience

All others are interesting high school prospects that have to learn the speed of the college game

It usually take one to two years befor a college qb "gets it"

Look for cal to give the starting nod to bridge ford and then transition Kline in

This will be a transition year door cal learning the new system and recruiting players that fit the system

5-6 wins would be a good goal after the 2012 abortion

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Posted: 12/23/2012 4:08 PM

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calbb wrote: First of all, it is spelled Bridgford. Secondly, no way he starts! Kline (already gets it) for the next three years.

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--- clunkyregistration wrote:

My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Bridge ford only qb with real college game time experience

All others are interesting high school prospects that have to learn the speed of the college game

It usually take one to two years befor a college qb "gets it"

Look for cal to give the starting nod to bridge ford and then transition Kline in

This will be a transition year door cal learning the new system and recruiting players that fit the system

5-6 wins would be a good goal after the 2012 abortion

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Uhh, I would be highly, highly, highly surprised if any of what you said comes true.  Real college experience means little to nothing when a completely new, simpler system is implemented.
Edit: This post is in regards to what the Ohio State poster said, not Calbb.

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Posted: 12/23/2012 5:59 PM

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The one who can play at the level of a Rodgers or a Luck. Which ever style can work the best! But someone that can scramble and move when the defense covers your receivers. That will open the door for the offense to mix up plays and provide the receivers a greater chance to get open. Improving the running game could help. The key is to have long sustained drives and wear out the defense like Brady, Manning and Rodgers do in the pros. The up tempo will be effective with consistent first downs. Hinder may be good, has he put muscle on? Goff best to red shirt but Kline could be the one like Rodgers did in JC and that is throw long and accurately. Sunny needs to put them through the test for pocket passing, roll outs and scrambling for yardage. Let's see who can do it best. And maybe in actual game time with a lead put in a qb who is not the starter and give him playing time to prepare for injury substitutions in future games.
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Posted: 12/23/2012 6:05 PM

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Maybe I misunderstood you, but when has Manning & Brady ever consistently tucked down and ran for yards?  All the QBs you have mentioned are incredible at moving around in the pocket, and that is much more of a necessity than scrambling.  Scrambling for positive yards helps when people are covered, but maneuvering around the pocket, accuracy, timing, decision making, leadership, and consistency are all much more imperative to being a successful quarterback.
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Posted: 12/24/2012 5:48 PM

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Moving in the pocket is essential and like Rodgers if there is some open field he will take what the defense gives. That is what I'm emphasizing. Look what Wilson did to the Niners last night. Defensive line so tired couldn't stop Lynch enough after chasing Wilson. (I digress but Niners should have added an extra linebacker or DB who was a speedster that could have tracked down Wilson and that is the kind of mobility I'd like to see in our QB's). Especially in college where it is more wide open. Look at ND's qb he is more like that. Where are they ranked? And I don't want to see Fran Tarkenton (Older era Vikings QB) who would scramble first than think about throwing. Too much like Vick. RGIII is more balanced and look at his low INT #'s. But you have to admit if we could get a Rodgers type or Luck type we would be phenomenal again but they are willing to move within and especially outside the pocket- no hesitation.cool
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Posted: 12/24/2012 10:58 PM

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calbb wrote: First of all, it is spelled Bridgford. Secondly, no way he starts! Kline (already gets it) for the next three years.

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--- CalBuck79 wrote:



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--- clunkyregistration wrote:

My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Bridge ford only qb with real college game time experience

All others are interesting high school prospects that have to learn the speed of the college game

It usually take one to two years befor a college qb "gets it"

Look for cal to give the starting nod to bridge ford and then transition Kline in

This will be a transition year door cal learning the new system and recruiting players that fit the system

5-6 wins would be a good goal after the 2012 abortion

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Uhh, I would be highly, highly, highly surprised if any of what you said comes true.  Real college experience means little to nothing when a completely new, simpler system is implemented.
Edit: This post is in regards to what the Ohio State poster said, not Calbb.

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Very very very few high school quarterbacks can step in on day one and start in a div 1 program and have real success

Real college qb experience means everything to the success of a college qb

It generally takes one to two years for high school players to catch up to the speed of the game and making key game time play calls. In high school competition is all over the board in a div one program every week the qb will face athletes and defenses that he may have never faced in high school

With the major retooling of the cal offenses scheme, a totally rebuilt offensive line and losing your best wide receiver to the nfl and your second best receiver out for spring training it would be hard for me to believe bridge ford doesn't start from day one. Probably work in one of the youngsters as the year progresses.

Like I said next year cal will be a major rebuilding year. Tear down the old program and start from scratch.
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Posted: 12/25/2012 10:56 AM

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Interesting Buckeye. Don't believe for a moment that Cal doesn't have the offensive talent to make this system hum. Dykes has inherited more than he has ever seen anywhere.
Dline is another matter. We are very thin there.
Bigelow seemed to cause you guys a few problems. He'll be very effective this year. Treggs will be a monster. Better than Allen, I think. I really hope tOSU overlooks Cal at CMS this year. Could be great fun!
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calbb wrote: First of all, it is spelled Bridgford. Secondly, no way he starts! Kline (already gets it) for the next three years.

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--- CalBuck79 wrote:



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--- clunkyregistration wrote:

My ranking of the favorites to win the QB battle:

1) Kline (I think he has the "it" factor and the confidence of the team).
2) Hinder (darkhorse candidate with some running skills, solid work ethic, and leadership intangibles)
3) Goff (Good skills, but don't think he'll be physically ready to go from day 1)

Little to no chance:

1) Bridgford (not athletic, lack of arm strength and accuracy)
2) Boehm (not accurate enough)

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Bridge ford only qb with real college game time experience

All others are interesting high school prospects that have to learn the speed of the college game

It usually take one to two years befor a college qb "gets it"

Look for cal to give the starting nod to bridge ford and then transition Kline in

This will be a transition year door cal learning the new system and recruiting players that fit the system

5-6 wins would be a good goal after the 2012 abortion

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Uhh, I would be highly, highly, highly surprised if any of what you said comes true.  Real college experience means little to nothing when a completely new, simpler system is implemented.
Edit: This post is in regards to what the Ohio State poster said, not Calbb.

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Very very very few high school quarterbacks can step in on day one and start in a div 1 program and have real success

Real college qb experience means everything to the success of a college qb

It generally takes one to two years for high school players to catch up to the speed of the game and making key game time play calls. In high school competition is all over the board in a div one program every week the qb will face athletes and defenses that he may have never faced in high school

With the major retooling of the cal offenses scheme, a totally rebuilt offensive line and losing your best wide receiver to the nfl and your second best receiver out for spring training it would be hard for me to believe bridge ford doesn't start from day one. Probably work in one of the youngsters as the year progresses.

Like I said next year cal will be a major rebuilding year. Tear down the old program and start from scratch.

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Posted: 12/25/2012 8:48 PM

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Ryan,

Based on the little I've seen of Kline, I would go Kline.  Big arm, leadership qualities, and I think he will make all the throws in Dykes/Franklins system to Treggs/Harris/Powe/Harper/Lawyer etc.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 1:04 PM

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Being an Air Raid QB is definitely not like being a QB in a traditional offense so, the question *I* have, is whether ANY of our QBs have what it takes for Dykes to be successful next year. The fact is that it is unlikely Dykes would've recruited any of these players: From what I have seen Kline is the *only* player in the group with an arm but, although he is (probably) immensely talented, he's not the scramble and throw type that Dykes needs.

Were I Kline, I'd start looking for a more fitting offense to call home ... like Furd, for instance ... since he's probably A) not going to be (as) successful with Dykes (as he would with Shaw) and B) the NFL doesn't come calling for Air Raid QBs.

Sad, very, very sad. As a long-time alum I've seen a whole lotta bad times with Cal football but this promises to be the most traumatic; at least, early on and it'll be interesting to see if Dykes can survive. I'm guessing no but we'll probably have to suffer through 3 years of disappointment before the plug gets pulled.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 1:13 PM

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BearyOld wrote: Sad, very, very sad. As a long-time alum I've seen a whole lotta bad times with Cal football but this promises to be the most traumatic; at least, early on and it'll be interesting to see if Dykes can survive. I'm guessing no but we'll probably have to suffer through 3 years of disappointment before the plug gets pulled.

BearyOld, I hope we get to come back to this thread in 5 years and see where things sort out.  Perhaps some of us are old bears stuck in our ways, but there seems to be a change across all levels of football.  The QB position is no longer a drop back and pass type of situation.  You are even seeing it in the NFL these days.  If Chip Kelly leaves for greener NFL pastures, you will have at least one team recruiting the exact type of players you think won't come calling if we implement a Dykes style offense.  I think younger players idolize the very dynamism we see in the young QBs found on roster all throughout the NFL.   Besides, we aren't trying to be competitive in the NFL, we want to be competitive in NCAA Div I football.  Two different things in my opinion.  Recruiting services won't start to evaluate these new players positively until they see a demand for them.  Demand is a function of winning with them.  I think we are in the early stages of a transition period. Ultimately the pendulum will swing back, but I am not sure when.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 4:57 PM

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BearyOld wrote: Being an Air Raid QB is definitely not like being a QB in a traditional offense so, the question *I* have, is whether ANY of our QBs have what it takes for Dykes to be successful next year. The fact is that it is unlikely Dykes would've recruited any of these players: From what I have seen Kline is the *only* player in the group with an arm but, although he is (probably) immensely talented, he's not the scramble and throw type that Dykes needs.

Were I Kline, I'd start looking for a more fitting offense to call home ... like Furd, for instance ... since he's probably A) not going to be (as) successful with Dykes (as he would with Shaw) and B) the NFL doesn't come calling for Air Raid QBs.

Sad, very, very sad. As a long-time alum I've seen a whole lotta bad times with Cal football but this promises to be the most traumatic; at least, early on and it'll be interesting to see if Dykes can survive. I'm guessing no but we'll probably have to suffer through 3 years of disappointment before the plug gets pulled.
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The fact is that it is unlikely Dykes would've recruited any of these players

Dykes wouldn't have recruited Kline? He was the #2 pro qb coming out of highschool im sure every program in the country would have loved to sign him.

since he's probably A) not going to be (as) successful with Dykes (as he would with Shaw)

You have some evidence to back this up? i highly doubt it. please stop spouting crap just because you feel the need to write something on the boards.

Sad, very, very sad. As a long-time alum I've seen a whole lotta bad times with Cal football but this promises to be the most traumatic.


SERIOUSLY?! my god some bear fans are a bunch of pessimistic morons. If its so traumatic, i reccomend you stop watching games and posting on the boards.
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Posted: 12/26/2012 5:04 PM

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Dykes said that he did in fact recruit Kline and Hinder out of high school, so he's familiar with both of them.
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Posted: 12/27/2012 8:33 AM

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Fix the pathetic Oline and any of the qb's will look a lot better.  As for the 'Nega-Bears' ... well boo hoo hoo for those that are selling Dykes short on experience or talent.  He's done better with far less talent than Tedford ever did and He's probably not afraid of SC or Oregon or Stanford.  You people still putting your hopes on miniature 'elite' db's & receivers, underachieving lineman and slow witted qb's like we've seen for the last five years?   Sorry but Pete Carrol is in Seattle and it's way past time for a change.  You 'Nega-Bears' are spinning in circles, chasing your tails with predictions of doom.  Go watch someone else.  Anyone from the 60's on are painfully aware of the Bears football fortunes.  Nothing of the 'we know best' group has been to the Rose Bowl right? time to Try something different.  You guys have real jobs where performance counts?
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Posted: 01/02/2013 11:24 AM

Austin Hinder 


I was looking at old article about Hinder and just wanted to pass it out.  Why didn't Tedford utilize this guy?

Monday, May 25, 2009


Hinder commits to Cal


By Luke Graham (Contact)

Steamboat Springs — Steamboat Springs High School junior quarterback Austin Hinder verbally committed to the University of California-Berkeley on Monday.

Hinder, who had narrowed his list of schools to Cal, UCLA and the University of Notre Dame, said after sitting on the decision over the weekend he knew Cal was where his heart was.

“I just decided I wanted to get it over with,” Hinder said.” Once I did, it was the way to go for me. It just was the day. I said ‘what am I waiting for? I need to get this done.’”

Hinder spurned offers from some of the top programs in the nation. The 6-foot-5 Hinder said a big part of his commitment was his ties to the Cal program.

His grandfather, Jim Hanifan, played and coached at Cal before entering the program’s Hall of Fame.

Hinder — listed as the second-ranked quarterback and No. 84 prospect overall by www.rivals.com — also said cal coach jeff tedford played a big role in him committing.

Prior to his junior season, Tedford watched Hinder throw and became the first coach to offer him a scholarship.

Tedford has an extensive résumé with quarterbacks, including making five of his pupils into first-round NFL draft picks.

“It’s the way he puts things,” Hinder said. “I sat in a meeting with him and it’s how he teaches his quarterbacks such a complicated offense. He makes it easy. He’s definitely a guy that can make a quarterback successful.”

The toughest part for Hinder was telling the other schools that had offered scholarships that he wouldn’t be attending their school. He said he spent the last couple of days calling coaches and telling them of his decision.

“I just called up other coaches and told them I wasn’t going to their school,” Hinder said. “It was the hardest part. You build a relationship with them and then you have to tell them.”

Hinder said he’s now focused on finishing high school and working out with high school teammates throughout the summer. He said he’ll take one official visit to Cal later this year, but emphasized his recruiting is officially done.

“Cal is always a top-25 school,” Hinder said. “You have a chance to win a national championship while getting a great degree. Plus you get to play (University of Southern California)…It’s 100 percent. I’m definitely going to Cal. I’m done. I’m going to Cal.”

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