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3 Huge opportunities left

Posted: 12/17/2012 12:41 PM

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If we assume Buh and his cronie DB coach are on board, that leaves 3 HUGE opportunities left for building a championship level staff. I don't like the process one bit that landed Buh, so I'm hoping that a real national search is done for the OL, DL, and LB coaches. I don't want anyone even considered who Dykes or Buh has worked with or is a connection through their coaching network.

Here's what I'd like to see: Identify teams who play the style you want to play. Then, determine which of those teams have had elite results the last 2-3 years. Then dig deeper into film on the LB, DL, and OL units on the respective teams. If those units look like what you are hoping to build, then you've identified your coaching targets. 

I understand that coaches can feel loyalty to other coaches they've worked with, but Cal doesn't owe any debts to those guys. It is going to be VERY disappointing of the new OL, DL, and LB coaches are friend of a friend or "repay a favor" kind of hires.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:16 PM

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What is it about the process of coaches hiring other coaches with whom they work well that you find objectionable?
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Posted: 12/17/2012 7:16 PM

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Sounds like this might work...

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Posted: 12/18/2012 5:09 AM

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Just remember though not all coaches are like JT and hire their buddies even when they cant coach.

Most likely they will be in his network, I mean you have to have guys that coach in your system.  I'm pretty confident if things don't work the door will be shown rather quickly. 

We are in a new era of Cal football, the post JT era
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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:21 AM

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Cal79 wrote: What is it about the process of coaches hiring other coaches with whom they work well that you find objectionable?
Really?

Work is not about comfort.  It is about production and performance.  Coaches aren't paid to hire who they know.  They are paid to hire the best possible talent.  And the thing is, in the football coaching profession, there are standard measures of performance by which everyone is judged that are demonstrated by statistics.

I'm not going to suggest one guy's performance is an exact benchmark vs. another's because teams play different styles, have different talent levels, face different competition, but it's pretty easy to suggest a coach who leads a Top 20 or 30 rated unit performance is better than one who leads a bottom 20 or 30 unit performance.  As I said, there are different variables, but they are all coaching football.

When Cal hires a defensive coordinator, I want that guy to have a demonstrated track record for performance.  I don't give a crap if the head coach wants to socialize with him because he likes him or had fun working with him in the past.  In fact, I don't care if they don't see eye-to-eye on much on anything other than both being fiercely committed to winning.

We see far too many examples with coaching hires of one guy hiring a guy who hired him and a "I scratch your back, you scratch mine" mentality when it comes to filling out coaching staffs.  I will acknowledge there has to be some chemistry on a coaching staff, but that can be found in guys you'd never worked with before as much as it can guys who you've worked with for years.  There's plenty of fish in the sea, and there are a buttload of football coaches out there.  Go get the best ones, not the ones you know or to whom you owe favors.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 6:23 AM

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It isn't so much about "with whom they work well". Rather, it is that fact that this process unnecessarily limits the pool of candidates. It is possible you will end up with the best possible staff this way, but it is way more likely you will end up with a better staff if you cast a wider net, one that extends beyond who you know and friends of friends.

Getting the best staff isn't about hiring who you like or who makes you feel comfortable. I'd like to see signs that our new coach seeks out some discomfort in his quest to win.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:38 PM

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Cal79 wrote: What is it about the process of coaches hiring other coaches with whom they work well that you find objectionable?
Really?

Work is not about comfort.  It is about production and performance.  Coaches aren't paid to hire who they know.  They are paid to hire the best possible talent.  And the thing is, in the football coaching profession, there are standard measures of performance by which everyone is judged that are demonstrated by statistics.
Please reread my comment because I didn't say 'comfort', I said 'work well together'. I agree that production and performance are the bottom line, but don't you find in your work experience that production and performance are enhanced when a synergy is created because the various members of the team are able to work well with each other? Getting a team of people to work together is about much more than just bottom line measurables and statistics.
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Posted: 12/18/2012 12:51 PM

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clunkyregistration wrote: It isn't so much about "with whom they work well". Rather, it is that fact that this process unnecessarily limits the pool of candidates. It is possible you will end up with the best possible staff this way, but it is way more likely you will end up with a better staff if you cast a wider net, one that extends beyond who you know and friends of friends.

Getting the best staff isn't about hiring who you like or who makes you feel comfortable. I'd like to see signs that our new coach seeks out some discomfort in his quest to win.
In my experience, "with whom they work well" and "comfort" are two different things. Certainly there are examples of teammates not liking each other but still performing at a very high level (the Oakland A's World Series teams of the early 70's come to mind). There are also examples of teammates coming together to be greater than the sum of their parts (the 2012 SF Giants are a good example).

The coaching fraternity is rather small and it's likely that most coaches know, or at least know of, the other coaches with whom they will choose to work. My objection is to your blanket statement that you "don't want anyone even considered who Dykes or Buh has worked with or is a connection through their coaching network".

I can understand saying that you don't want someone hired simply because there's a connection - but to say that you don't even want them considered seems ridiculous
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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:06 PM

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I get where you are coming from and I suppose my statement could be considered an overreaction. I just want Dykes to doggedly pursue the best possible staff without the bias of inner circle connections.

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Posted: 12/18/2012 2:17 PM

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clunkyregistration wrote: I get where you are coming from and I suppose my statement could be considered an overreaction. I just want Dykes to doggedly pursue the best possible staff without the bias of inner circle connections.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:48 AM

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Well, it sure looks like Buh isn't going to go the route of scouring the country to find the best possible candidates. Instead, we're going to get a collection of "Buh's buddies" as our defensive staff. It could work out, but Cal has seriously hurt their odds for success with their chosen path.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 11:25 AM

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Despite not liking the hiring of Dykes because of his offensive system and poor defense, I was afraid that he would implement the "Good Old Boy" system in hiring his coaches.  Cronyism and nepotism means that having your buddies and relatives employed takes precedence over the success of the program.  Obviously, we are going to have to wait until we start playing games to see where all this inbred hiring will take us, but this is not a good beginning.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 12:18 PM

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It sucks, yes.  I will however temper my disappointment with the fact the coaching staff is saying it values all the right things.  If having an inbred staff is a prerequisite for for doing all the logical things most coaches won't do, so be it.

All my criticism for the coaching staff will be withheld from here on out, at least until they actually start making public moves, and probably until I see the team performing in a scrimmage and more likely, actual games.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 3:03 PM

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Coaches hire coaches who they have previously worked well with, that is how it works.  The DL coach, while much older than I would like, is a proven coach who has had highly successful units and very dedicated to recruiting.

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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:14 PM

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It sucks, yes.  I will however temper my disappointment with the fact the coaching staff is saying it values all the right things.  If having an inbred staff is a prerequisite for for doing all the logical things most coaches won't do, so be it.

All my criticism for the coaching staff will be withheld from here on out, at least until they actually start making public moves, and probably until I see the team performing in a scrimmage and more likely, actual games.

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Gee Rox, I'm sure the new staff is relieved. You guys crack me up- you actually think you have a part in this deal!
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Posted: 12/21/2012 5:25 PM

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Dykes thinks we have a part in this "deal" too. He realizes it isn't his program - that it belongs to Cal, the fans, the students, the alums, and the donors.

By the way, where were you the last 5 years when a few of us were quite vocal in pointing out the many ways in which Tedford was dragging the program down? Were you sitting back saying the coach knows more than we do?

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Posted: 12/21/2012 8:07 PM

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clunkyregistration wrote: Dykes thinks we have a part in this "deal" too. He realizes it isn't his program - that it belongs to Cal, the fans, the students, the alums, and the donors.

By the way, where were you the last 5 years when a few of us were quite vocal in pointing out the many ways in which Tedford was dragging the program down? Were you sitting back saying the coach knows more than we do?
Uh, you know that's what he's was doing.  That's his whole schtick.  Hilarious now that the new coach has backed up a lot of what we were saying.
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Posted: 12/21/2012 9:24 PM

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Dykes thinks we have a part in this "deal" too. He realizes it isn't his program - that it belongs to Cal, the fans, the students, the alums, and the donors.

By the way, where were you the last 5 years when a few of us were quite vocal in pointing out the many ways in which Tedford was dragging the program down? Were you sitting back saying the coach knows more than we do?

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I'm thankful for the change and I'm glad you guys feel a part of it. Hey Yogi, maybe you can draw up some plays in between doing geek squad work at the high school and send them to Coach Dykes!
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Posted: 12/22/2012 1:25 AM

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calbb wrote:

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Dykes thinks we have a part in this "deal" too. He realizes it isn't his program - that it belongs to Cal, the fans, the students, the alums, and the donors.

By the way, where were you the last 5 years when a few of us were quite vocal in pointing out the many ways in which Tedford was dragging the program down? Were you sitting back saying the coach knows more than we do?

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I'm thankful for the change and I'm glad you guys feel a part of it. Hey Yogi, maybe you can draw up some plays in between doing geek squad work at the high school and send them to Coach Dykes!
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Posted: 12/22/2012 8:24 AM

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Gee Rox, I'm sure the new staff is relieved. You guys crack me up- you actually think you have a part in this deal!

Funny.   Some of these expectations seem a little naïve (along with the over-simplified criticisms of JT).  Cal is acquiring football coaches, not tech support people or officers of a corporation.  Coaches have to be able to mesh personalities, work well together, share philosophies and TRUST each other.  They have to work with people that they feel share their views on how a system is played and they need to feel that they can predict what the other will do. 

Practically everyone that is considered at this level is a football genius, capable of understanding and teaching just about any scheme.  But if they are not comfortable with each other, nothing will work.  We are going to hold the head coach and his coordinators accountable.  Let’s allow them to make the decisions that will dictate how they are judged in the end.

 

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