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Would you have made that trade for Bergdahl?

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Posted: 06/01/2014 9:09 AM

Would you have made that trade for Bergdahl? 


5 mid to high ranking Taliban prisoners for Bergdahl?  

"If this deployment is lame, I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

This Rolling Stone article is very interesting and revealing.  The French Foreign Legion didn't want him.  
http://www.rollingstone.com/po...of-war-20120607

No slight to Bowe, not sure what information he could provide, but I don't make that deal.  This Obama/Hagel hostages for hostage deal makes us all unsafe when traveling abroad.
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Posted: 06/01/2014 9:15 AM

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No. And I think there's something suspect about the way Bergdahl disappeared. Is it true he just walked away from his post?  If he did, I'm surprised he would get such a "welcome home" as he got from the government. How things must have changed in the military!! If i'd  walked away from my assigned duty in the Marine Corps, I would have been court martialed. Of course that was back in the 1940's, before concepts like "duty" became obsolete.

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Posted: 06/01/2014 11:23 AM

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fsc1957alum wrote: No. And I think there's something suspect about the way Bergdahl disappeared. Is it true he just walked away from his post?  If he did, I'm surprised he would get such a "welcome home" as he got from the government. How things must have changed in the military!! If i'd  walked away from my assigned duty in the Marine Corps, I would have been court martialed. Of course that was back in the 1940's, before concepts like "duty" became obsolete.
It's my understanding that not only is he a deserter, but 8 American soldiers died trying to rescue him from the Taliban(I heard this from a source that is active military).  It makes no sense to trade 5 prisoners for this POS...  and when did we start negotiating with terrorist?
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Posted: 06/01/2014 11:33 AM

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CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote: 5 mid to high ranking Taliban prisoners for Bergdahl?  

"If this deployment is lame, I'm just going to walk off into the mountains of Pakistan."

This Rolling Stone article is very interesting and revealing.  The French Foreign Legion didn't want him.  
http://www.rollingstone.com/po...of-war-20120607

No slight to Bowe, not sure what information he could provide, but I don't make that deal.  This Obama/Hagel hostages for hostage deal makes us all unsafe when traveling abroad.
I doubt if their release really has nearly as much to do with Bergdahl as it does with negations between the U.S., the Afghan government, and the Taliban. 

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Posted: 06/01/2014 12:01 PM

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More administrative transparency. If you like your terrorists, you can keep them. Period.

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Posted: 06/01/2014 1:10 PM

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fsc1957alum wrote: More administrative transparency. If you like your terrorists, you can keep them. Period.
Yeah. There's nothing go on in Afghanistan right now. It's baseball season.

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Posted: 06/01/2014 4:17 PM

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I don't know about the "we" part of your question, but the current President launched his political career in the home of a known and unapologetic terrorist.  If you'll befriend, and receive counsel from, one terrorist then it isn't a big leap to try and find "common ground" with other terrorists. 
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fsc1957alum wrote: No. And I think there's something suspect about the way Bergdahl disappeared. Is it true he just walked away from his post?  If he did, I'm surprised he would get such a "welcome home" as he got from the government. How things must have changed in the military!! If i'd  walked away from my assigned duty in the Marine Corps, I would have been court martialed. Of course that was back in the 1940's, before concepts like "duty" became obsolete.
It's my understanding that not only is he a deserter, but 8 American soldiers died trying to rescue him from the Taliban(I heard this from a source that is active military).  It makes no sense to trade 5 prisoners for this POS...  and when did we start negotiating with terrorist?
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Posted: 06/02/2014 4:34 AM

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fsc1957alum wrote: No. And I think there's something suspect about the way Bergdahl disappeared. Is it true he just walked away from his post?  If he did, I'm surprised he would get such a "welcome home" as he got from the government. How things must have changed in the military!! If i'd  walked away from my assigned duty in the Marine Corps, I would have been court martialed. Of course that was back in the 1940's, before concepts like "duty" became obsolete.
Think about every other screw up that has happened by soldiers who were captured in the past 15-20 years. They were hailed as heros, when in fact their and their leaderships lack of discipline and reckless behavior got them captured. I can tell you was attched to the Cav Squadron that these three soldiers were captured from (link provided below) and from soldiers who specifically knew what happened they really f'ed up the situation which is why they got captured when they got home they were welcomed as heroes, and many people were upset with the situation, but no one wanted to come forward at the time because it was believed that there would be reprisal for coming forward to challenge the situation.

http://www.defense.gov/news/ne...e.aspx?id=42986

The Jessica Lynch while not her fault, still showed that these soldiers had poor leadership by failing to ensure that they had properly cleaned and functional weapons, overloading vehicles which was not safe, taking unapproved routes from which they had been turned back several times. From what I understand not much happened to the leadership.

Now we have this as as stated in another post from what I'm getting Bergdahl just disappeared from his post under some rather vague and mysterious conditions, not sure if this is just people who are jealous, but from what I'm reading and getting from many people is that this seemed to be preplanned, and is now being covered up, or information is being ignored at many levels.  There is a lot of blow back right now in the military community over this, especially from those who know the situation well there is a sense that many feel this man is a traitor. Yet this administration and many in the past seem to look at this as a political tool to use which may be why there is such an effort to pump up how this man was captured and did not just leave his post, which as someone else posted if punished under the UCMJ can result in death.
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Posted: 06/02/2014 8:23 AM

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Hell, he apparently deserted his post and was punished by being given two promotions during his captivity. PFC to SGT, for desertion. Have we got a great army, or what?

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Posted: 06/02/2014 10:35 AM

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Trust me when I say that many in our armed services are outraged over how this is all being portrayed and the calls for his punishment are growing stronger.
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Posted: 06/02/2014 7:10 PM

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Really, though, can a U.S. President actually be that stupid, to negotiate that kind of deal?  And if stupidity's not the reason, what is his motive?
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Posted: 06/02/2014 8:55 PM

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If Bergdahl walked off his post as has been indicated, and others died trying to find him, he deserves to be sent to Gitmo to take the place of those terrorists that were released.
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Posted: 06/02/2014 9:36 PM

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fsc1957alum wrote: Really, though, can a U.S. President actually be that stupid, to negotiate that kind of deal?  And if stupidity's not the reason, what is his motive?
I told you once.

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Posted: 06/03/2014 11:26 AM

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fsc1957alum wrote: Hell, he apparently deserted his post and was punished by being given two promotions during his captivity. PFC to SGT, for desertion. Have we got a great army, or what?

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Posted: 06/03/2014 3:53 PM

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babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
fsc1957alum wrote: Hell, he apparently deserted his post and was punished by being given two promotions during his captivity. PFC to SGT, for desertion. Have we got a great army, or what?

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He was never classified as AWOL, rather MIA therefore he gets rank as if he was alongside his peers, except for he doesn't have to go through promotion boards (interviews) or and schools like the rest of us. Now that he is back he would have to earn rank just like everyone else. The Chairman of the Joint Cheifs of Staff Army Gen. Dempsey did mention that they are looking into the charges of desertion and are not ruling out charing him under the UCMJ but that Bergdahl is Innocent until proven guilty.

http://www.military.com/daily-...7570&rank=1
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Posted: 06/03/2014 11:28 PM

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This whole thing looks bad for Bergdahl and Obama who made the decision to make the trade. Based on comments from numerous of his platoon mates, he indeed deserted. For Susan Rice to come out and say he served his country honorably and with distinction is sheer lunacy. Bergdahl will likely be tried under the UCMJ and may face a long prison sentence especially if he is found to have collaborated with the enemy. Meanwhile the Taliban get five of their top leaders back to help plot mayhem on remaining US troops and the Afghan people. Just like Iraq this is not going to end well for the Afghan people.

Having served in a foreign country during time of war, I could somewhat identify with some of Bergdahl's comments as I also observed a lack of respect by some of our soldiers for the allied people of the country I served in. Regardless that is no reason to desert which is one of the ultimate sins in the military.
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Posted: 06/04/2014 1:39 PM

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He was never classified as AWOL, rather MIA therefore he gets rank as if he was
alongside his peers, except for he doesn't have to go through promotion boards
(interviews) or and schools like the rest of us.
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If he deserted, he wasn't MIA, he was a deserter. Of course that hasn't been proved, but some of his fellow soldiers  are now coming forth to support the thesis that he deserted. One has even said the troops were ordered to keep it quiet. He even went further, and said after Bergdahl disappeared, the enemy had very precise knowledge of the U.S troops' tactics and vulnerabilities. If he was a deserter, he's a scumbag, but if he collaborated with the enemy, he's a scumbag traitor. And our President released 5 of the most dangerous enemies to bring this guy home safely.

Guilty or not, I suppose it will all come out eventually, but this whole thing's starting to have a very bad smell.

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Posted: 06/05/2014 5:15 AM

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A little bit off topic but how come in these trades there isn't more balance.  A pfc for five high value prisoners?  Why not one for one.  You see the same with Israel.  Are we such bad negotiators that we always get less than what we receive?
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Posted: 06/05/2014 5:21 AM

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fsc1957alum wrote: ############
He was never classified as AWOL, rather MIA therefore he gets rank as if he was
alongside his peers, except for he doesn't have to go through promotion boards
(interviews) or and schools like the rest of us.
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If he deserted, he wasn't MIA, he was a deserter. Of course that hasn't been proved, but some of his fellow soldiers  are now coming forth to support the thesis that he deserted. One has even said the troops were ordered to keep it quiet. He even went further, and said after Bergdahl disappeared, the enemy had very precise knowledge of the U.S troops' tactics and vulnerabilities. If he was a deserter, he's a scumbag, but if he collaborated with the enemy, he's a scumbag traitor. And our President released 5 of the most dangerous enemies to bring this guy home safely.

Guilty or not, I suppose it will all come out eventually, but this whole thing's starting to have a very bad smell.
It does have a very bad smell to it and the more I hear the less I like. I don't think this is going to end well for the President.
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Posted: 06/05/2014 7:01 AM

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I have to disagree w/ you when you say this won't end well for BO. He'll just lie, deflect, and use the media to spin this...just like he does everything else. He's Teflon, nothing sticks. Not the Libyan Embassy attack and his negligence, not the Mexican gun incident that cost lives, not his lavish vacations, not his association w/ a known terrorist, nothing. So, BO will keep doing what he does, and the American sheep will keep doing what they do by leaving their heads stuck in the sand...


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fsc1957alum wrote: ############
He was never classified as AWOL, rather MIA therefore he gets rank as if he was
alongside his peers, except for he doesn't have to go through promotion boards
(interviews) or and schools like the rest of us.
############

If he deserted, he wasn't MIA, he was a deserter. Of course that hasn't been proved, but some of his fellow soldiers  are now coming forth to support the thesis that he deserted. One has even said the troops were ordered to keep it quiet. He even went further, and said after Bergdahl disappeared, the enemy had very precise knowledge of the U.S troops' tactics and vulnerabilities. If he was a deserter, he's a scumbag, but if he collaborated with the enemy, he's a scumbag traitor. And our President released 5 of the most dangerous enemies to bring this guy home safely.

Guilty or not, I suppose it will all come out eventually, but this whole thing's starting to have a very bad smell.
It does have a very bad smell to it and the more I hear the less I like. I don't think this is going to end well for the President.

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