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Why Romney lost

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Posted: 11/07/2012 3:51 AM

Why Romney lost 


My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?

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Posted: 11/07/2012 5:22 AM

Re: Why Romney lost 



OldFigBBJ2 wrote: My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?
This is the one that resonates with me. If the United States can develop and follow some of the examples of Austria, then things appear encouraging. Note: I was in Austria in the summer of 2011.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 5:33 AM

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OldFigBBJ2 wrote: My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?
I'd characterize it with this question: Which Mitt Romney lost? The one that was pro-life, or pro-choice, or pro-life again, then pro-choice again, or was for health care reform, then against it, for working with Democrats, then saying that he would throw out so many policies on his "first day in office."

He had to swing so far to the right to get the nomination, then he tried to swing back over the last month. I think with each swing he lost some people who supported him strongly. 

I agree that Sandy helped in the way you said. Plus it reminded just enough people about the issue of global climate change--an issue that was otherwise absent from both campaigns.

Ford
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Posted: 11/07/2012 7:40 AM

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Fig you are spot on especially number 3.  The sense of entitlement in this country is out of control.  I will add a number 4

4) extremely uninformed voters who fall for/love the Obama one liners and the bs being spewed from his mouth on a consistent basis. 

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Posted: 11/07/2012 7:49 AM

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1. Bill Clinton and Hurricane Sandy

I agree with you about Hurricane Sandy. It also helped that Clinton was able to step in for Obama on the campaign trail while Obama was dealing with the hurricane. The photos of the president with Republican Govenor Christie were extremely valuable for the Obama campaign.

Bill Clinton also gave a great speech at the Democratic convention which energized the Obama campaign. This energy lasted until the first debate.

2. George W. Bush

Four years later, the memories do the Bush administration's war in Iraq and the economic meltdown was still fresh in people's mind.

3. Two grey-faced men with $2 haircuts

I think those two Republican Senate candidates lost yesterday. I don't even remember their names. But they both are good examples for politicians to think before they speak.

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Posted: 11/07/2012 7:54 AM

The fact is, it's next to impossible to beat a sitting President 


Unless his own party does him in during the primary. There was no opposition to Obama in the Democratic Party (a party of whiners, couldn't muster a single disgruntled voice against one of the worst presidents in over 100 years). There's a lot of dissatisfaction brewing there, if they have to toe the line and keep their collective mouths shut. The party did a good job keeping the lid on that boiling pot.
Not so lucky were:
Bush 41 had Pat Buchanan, Rush Limbaugh and Ross Perot rough him up in the primary.
Carter had Teddy Kennedy give him the business.
Ford had Reagan question his bona fides.
All of those guys lost.
Nobody in the democratic party challenged Obama's crappy record. 10+% unemployment in California for 4 years, keep it coming. Obama may be the worst president since Hoover, yet this fool still wins. Frankly I couldn't tell you what Romney stood for.

We have become a gold star student where merit is defined as having an open hand in begging mode. Obama has fought for the scraps and now intends on dividing them.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 8:42 AM

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At least the right still has the House -- or that was the projection last night, not sure whether it came to fruition. Should ensure that redistributive measures are kept to a minimum. To me, that's much more important than the problems created by gridlock.

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Posted: 11/07/2012 9:14 AM

Re: Why Romney lost 



OldFigBBJ2 wrote: My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?
I would say this about covers it, though I'd arrange them in a different order - 3, 1, 2. If you even meant them to be in any specific order. I'm thinking Christy's name is mud at the moment.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 9:41 AM

The Christie Thing 



RumRaisin wrote: 1. Bill Clinton and Hurricane Sandy

I agree with you about Hurricane Sandy. It also helped that Clinton was able to step in for Obama on the campaign trail while Obama was dealing with the hurricane. The photos of the president with Republican Govenor Christie were extremely valuable for the Obama campaign.

Bill Clinton also gave a great speech at the Democratic convention which energized the Obama campaign. This energy lasted until the first debate.

2. George W. Bush

Four years later, the memories do the Bush administration's war in Iraq and the economic meltdown was still fresh in people's mind.

3. Two grey-faced men with $2 haircuts

I think those two Republican Senate candidates lost yesterday. I don't even remember their names. But they both are good examples for politicians to think before they speak.
The only place I really heard about Christy and Obama was on Rush and a couple of conservative blogs. I don't think it made much of an impression in most of the media. Limbaugh turned the incident into a gay slur--I doubt if there were any undecideds paying any attention to Limbaugh.

So I wonder, did it help Obama with undecided voters or just turn off a number of conservative voters.

Ford
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Posted: 11/07/2012 9:42 AM

Re: Why Romney lost 



CoachFord wrote:
OldFigBBJ2 wrote: My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?
I'd characterize it with this question: Which Mitt Romney lost? The one that was pro-life, or pro-choice, or pro-life again, then pro-choice again, or was for health care reform, then against it, for working with Democrats, then saying that he would throw out so many policies on his "first day in office."

He had to swing so far to the right to get the nomination, then he tried to swing back over the last month. I think with each swing he lost some people who supported him strongly. 

I agree that Sandy helped in the way you said. Plus it reminded just enough people about the issue of global climate change--an issue that was otherwise absent from both campaigns.

Ford

Abortion was nothing but a magic pill that was swallowed by the left. It wasn't even part of the campaign and wouldn't have been part of the first four years, if the next -- Romney is far to moderate for this to have been a major issue. Not to mention, Obama isn't exactly one note on this issue.

Removing Obamacare piecemeal isn't/shouldn't be a knock against his working across the aisle. I mean, the damn thing was force fed and pushed through without a single conservative vote, or with anyone even knowing what was in it's entirety.

Climate change, really? Clean fuels...diesel, coal, nuclear, hydro, wind, and solar were all part of the Romney/Ryan energy plan. The biggest difference is the fiscal manner is which they would implement the plan.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 10:42 AM

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--refusal to release taxes
--flip flop sundrome
--real or preceived stance on womens reproductive rights.
--economy not as bad as many Republicans claim
--stance on auto bailout
--47%comment
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Posted: 11/07/2012 10:50 AM

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The old axiom saying still holds true..... "As California goes, so goes the Nation.....

The seeds of the victory were sowed back in 08-09 with the so called stimulus... money that went to favored industries/companies/area's (Ohio) that were/are by-in-large controlled by Dem bundlers/operatives etc... who funneled portions of those monies back to the Democratic party...with an eye on the 12 election.....Crony Capitalism.....

Sandy play a huge part in Romney losing his momentum, he was off the news for 3-4 days...

Romney's Mormonism lost him support,... not talked about but there still a good chunk of folks who believe Mormons are anti-christian.... it is what it is......

He coasted the last 2-3 weeks, he did or thought he was leading....

Democrats did a great job of painting Romney who he isn't.... a heartless businessman... but that's what they do.... Republicans didn't fight back nearly hard enough...

Romney was correct on his assessment of the voters who didn't vote for him...(47%) many of them expect (their right) Gov entitlements...  Demographics have changes (california).

Living here in Cali I have become buffered from failed Democratic party policies.... But I do feel really bad for my college age children & their friends, as I believe/know that they lost a lot of windows of future economic opportunities last night.... I believe in human cycles, reading history tells me it's true... this coming cycle does not bode well for us as a society...

The future to me looks grey & dreary...... economically..... I honestly believe that the path this state & now National Gov are going is unsustainable... going forward as we are..It will Crash

This pretty well sums up how I feel about it all.....

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Posted: 11/07/2012 11:13 AM

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sicko10 wrote: --refusal to release taxes
--flip flop sundrome
--real or preceived stance on womens reproductive rights.
--economy not as bad as many Republicans claim
--stance on auto bailout
--47%comment
#1 and #6 are completely untrue.  None of the exit poll data offered support to those ideas.
#2 has some merit and is part of a bigger "I don't really feel like I know him"
#3 I would agree here.  
#4 Well, this isn't true so it can't be true either except for some portions of the nations but not enough to have ended in the results last night.
#5 Only in Michigan, perhaps.

Facts are facts, and he lost because he garnered 29% of the hispanic vote (immigration issues) and 44% of women voters.  The exit poll data in Ohio even suggested that Sandy did have an impact on several voters but I don't know if it was more widespread than that where it would have made a difference.

I like Romney, solely from the economic abilities that he and Ryan had shown, but perhaps he would have been better served choosing a running mate such as Marco Rubio.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 11:23 AM

It's hard to beat President Santa Claus 



OldFigBBJ2 wrote: My lay opinion only. The reasons include:

1. Romney's momentum-killing strategy to be less aggressive in the third debate. I watched all three debates, the third concerning foreign affairs. Romney performed very well with the aggressive strategy the first two debates but the third was a WTF performance. Didn't even raise the assassination of the Ambassador to Libya and spent all evening agreeing with Obama and failing to distinguish himself or his vision.

2. Hurricane Sandy. Obama did a great job looking presidential responding to the disaster which hit just six days prior to Election Day.

3. Increasing quantities of people who think the role of government is to support them. Western Europe mentality enjoys growing following in good ole U S of A.

I've got a real bad feeling about the next four years. Oh well. Stock up on your water, food and ammo supplies, boys and girls!

Above are my mildly educated list of reasons Romney lost. What are yours?
Agree with one addition to your list-

4. The Takers now exceed the Makers. 

Unfortunately, our country has reached a tipping point and I fear the mess we're leaving the next generation with an unsustainable amount of current debt that only grows exponentially as the years go by.  Ben B is doing his best to ruin the dollar and soon the Euros and the Chinese are going to stop buying our Treasuries.   When they do, this whole 'house of cards' comes tumbling down and President Santa Claus will be without an unlimited Piggy Bank.  

If any BB'ers are in the Stock Market in a big way, I'd get out soon.  I did 6 months ago.

 

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Posted: 11/07/2012 11:37 AM

Re: It's hard to beat President Santa Claus 


Unfortunately too many Rs have been doing the Saint Nick routine themselves.
"I am convinced that every man of you would rise up and tear me down from my place if I were for one moment to contemplate parley or surrender. If this long island story of ours is to end at last, let it end only when each one of us lies choking in his own blood upon the ground." Churchill
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Posted: 11/07/2012 12:06 PM

Re: It's hard to beat President Santa Claus 


Re stock market: really? Sh it, I just took the day off work to open a Scottrade account and deposited $11K at their Palm Bluffs branch office. I did so because the market is so far down today, a couple high yield dividend stocks (Lockheed Martin and PPL Co.) were looking like buys to me. Both yield almost 5% after the beating stocks have taken today.

Where does one invest for income these days? Bonds yield jack right now. And CDs? Forget about it.

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Posted: 11/07/2012 12:12 PM

Re: It's hard to beat President Santa Claus 



OldFigBBJ2 wrote: Re stock market: really? Sh it, I just took the day off work to open a Scottrade account and deposited $11K at their Palm Bluffs branch office. I did so because the market is so far down today, a couple high yield dividend stocks (Lockheed Martin and PPL Co.) were looking like buys to me. Both yield almost 5% after the beating stocks have taken today.

Where does one invest for income these days?

I'd go with a mix of stocks, precious metals, and rental properties.
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Posted: 11/07/2012 12:33 PM

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Precious metal for income or capital preservation? If for income, please do tell of the investment mechanism because I'd like to look it up. Thx!
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OldFigBBJ2 wrote: Re stock market: really? Sh it, I just took the day off work to open a Scottrade account and deposited $11K at their Palm Bluffs branch office. I did so because the market is so far down today, a couple high yield dividend stocks (Lockheed Martin and PPL Co.) were looking like buys to me. Both yield almost 5% after the beating stocks have taken today.

Where does one invest for income these days?

I'd go with a mix of stocks, precious metals, and rental properties.

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Posted: 11/07/2012 12:34 PM

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FresnoRocks wrote:
sicko10 wrote: --refusal to release taxes
--flip flop sundrome
--real or preceived stance on womens reproductive rights.
--economy not as bad as many Republicans claim
--stance on auto bailout
--47%comment
#1 and #6 are completely untrue.  None of the exit poll data offered support to those ideas.
#2 has some merit and is part of a bigger "I don't really feel like I know him"
#3 I would agree here.  
#4 Well, this isn't true so it can't be true either except for some portions of the nations but not enough to have ended in the results last night.
#5 Only in Michigan, perhaps.

Facts are facts, and he lost because he garnered 29% of the hispanic vote (immigration issues) and 44% of women voters.  The exit poll data in Ohio even suggested that Sandy did have an impact on several voters but I don't know if it was more widespread than that where it would have made a difference.

I like Romney, solely from the economic abilities that he and Ryan had shown, but perhaps he would have been better served choosing a running mate such as Marco Rubio.
I definitely could have done without Ryan. I have a real distaste for people who twist their nipples over Atlas Shrugged but then claim to reject the atheistic philosophy that she based her theories on.

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Posted: 11/07/2012 12:36 PM

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1. Obama had the better ground campaign and turned out the vote more effectively than Romney. In the county I live in, the OFA team had over 120K door knocks during the campaign.

2. Romney did not connect with most groups of people outside of white men-like most of the Republican party.

3. The middle class is tired of trickle down economics that have never worked for our country.

4. Women rights, LGBT rights, rape comments, and other social issues the Republicans seem to be lagging behind on.

And the entitlement society nonsense is the same type of crap white men have been spouting off about since the 1700's. It's old and full of ****, just like the Republican party.

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