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Is anyone else surprised at Burrell's performance, this fall...?

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Posted: 08/18/2014 7:46 AM

Is anyone else surprised at Burrell's performance, this fall...? 


...because I have to say that I have been guilty of discounting his role on the team and in the QB competition with Brandon Connette.

BB has "stepped it up" from his spring performance in an eyebrow-raising manner.  CTD and the coaches have been singing his praises.  Check out Sunday's Fresno Bee article.  The guy is NOT going away,  

And what the HELL was that 80 yard TD run by Burrell all about...?  Was that for real?  Did it come against the 3rd stringers?  What?

And then, in the Bee article, CTD is talking like Connette still hasn't learned as much of the offense as the coaches want him to learn - and that is making him half-a-step slow...

So, do those of us who had assumed Burrell would lose the QB race need to seriously reconsider...?  I think so... 

But that leads to the next question - if BB wins the war, how do we use Connette?  Pack 10 lbs on him and make him a fullback?  What?
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:02 AM

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Not surprised at all. The kid is a gamer. When the chips are on the table, this guy excels and he will find a way to get it done. Is he going to make some mistakes? Sure, everyone does. But, he's had plenty of time in the system and learned a ton from Derek. I'm happy for BB after reading so much from the "coaches" on this board pretty much say that he was awful and had no chance.

As for Connette, I think we're going to see plenty of snaps go his way no matter what so he won't just be sitting on the sideline. Remember, they want the 11 best kids on the field. If he gains that .5 second on hugs decision making, he'll be there
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:15 AM

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It could be that Coach is trying to continue to raise the level of competition between to two get the most out of both, hence his comments. However with that said, I am a little surprised that Connette hasn't been able to obviously distance himself from Burrell which speaks volumes about Burrell as a competitor. In the end, I still think Connette wins out because of his big game experience but it's good to know we have two good quarterbacks in our system.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:19 AM

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I am a bit suprised. I had already written BB off as the back up but I am more then happy that he has stepped it up and made a competition out of this.

Even if BB does not win the job he has provided great competition.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:21 AM

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Connette did not come to Fresno State to just become a place kick holder, but he was the holder for some of the field goals and extra points during the open scrimmage. This could make for some interesting field goal attempts this year.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:33 AM

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to be honest, no. everyone evaluated him by seeing him in warmups and in clean-up mode. he's had a year to work and gain confidence.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 8:56 AM

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SeaDog71 wrote: It could be that Coach is trying to continue to raise the level of competition between to two get the most out of both, hence his comments. However with that said, I am a little surprised that Connette hasn't been able to obviously distance himself from Burrell which speaks volumes about Burrell as a competitor. In the end, I still think Connette wins out because of his big game experience but it's good to know we have two good quarterbacks in our system.
Yeah, but that really speaks to my point.  It is not because BC stinks, but because Burrell is playing so much better, that there is very little difference (according to CTD).  And yes, I have thought about your suggestion that CTD is lying about BB's improvement and that he is BS'ing us about Connette's struggles to digest the playbook to make the competition fiercer.....  but, no.  I can't buy that.

I do think CTD WANTS an intense competition, but would he falsify the evidence to obtain one?  Naa.  I think Burrell is simply turning up the heat - and he is better than we gave him credit for...
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Posted: 08/18/2014 9:15 AM

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redroadster wrote:
SeaDog71 wrote: It could be that Coach is trying to continue to raise the level of competition between to two get the most out of both, hence his comments. However with that said, I am a little surprised that Connette hasn't been able to obviously distance himself from Burrell which speaks volumes about Burrell as a competitor. In the end, I still think Connette wins out because of his big game experience but it's good to know we have two good quarterbacks in our system.
Yeah, but that really speaks to my point.  It is not because BC stinks, but because Burrell is playing so much better, that there is very little difference (according to CTD).  And yes, I have thought about your suggestion that CTD is lying about BB's improvement and that he is BS'ing us about Connette's struggles to digest the playbook to make the competition fiercer.....  but, no.  I can't buy that.

I do think CTD WANTS an intense competition, but would he falsify the evidence to obtain one?  Naa.  I think Burrell is simply turning up the heat - and he is better than we gave him credit for...
It is very possible Brandon Connette is being prepared for a similar role as he played at Duke. Why not? He was Dubbed the Phantom at Duke by the Fans by playing multiple positions with success. http://dukereport.com/duke-football/the-phantom-brandon-connette/bgreene/   It could be Burrell has turned the heat up, this would not surprise me, I seen him play at BC. It would also not surprise me to see CTD use the strongest suit to win. Use both, and use them in roles to compliment a fast paced no huddle offense not knowing where Connette will line up. Pure speculation on my part. But it would be fun to have an offense with the Phantom.

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Posted: 08/18/2014 9:20 AM

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First of all, I don't recall many posters saying BBurrell was "awful", I do recall many of us saying he is "inaccurate"...which until he proves otherwise, I'll still stand by.  The irony of your post is that you derisively call his critics "coaches", while you yourself say that he "excels and finds a way to get it done", despite having zero evidence for that statement.  
bakodogfan wrote: Not surprised at all. The kid is a gamer. When the chips are on the table, this guy excels and he will find a way to get it done. Is he going to make some mistakes? Sure, everyone does. But, he's had plenty of time in the system and learned a ton from Derek. I'm happy for BB after reading so much from the "coaches" on this board pretty much say that he was awful and had no chance.

As for Connette, I think we're going to see plenty of snaps go his way no matter what so he won't just be sitting on the sideline. Remember, they want the 11 best kids on the field. If he gains that .5 second on hugs decision making, he'll be there
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Posted: 08/18/2014 9:31 AM

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FresnoStateBulldog wrote: First of all, I don't recall many posters saying BBurrell was "awful", I do recall many of us saying he is "inaccurate"...which until he proves otherwise, I'll still stand by.  The irony of your post is that you derisively call his critics "coaches", while you yourself say that he "excels and finds a way to get it done", despite having zero evidence for that statement.  
bakodogfan wrote: Not surprised at all. The kid is a gamer. When the chips are on the table, this guy excels and he will find a way to get it done. Is he going to make some mistakes? Sure, everyone does. But, he's had plenty of time in the system and learned a ton from Derek. I'm happy for BB after reading so much from the "coaches" on this board pretty much say that he was awful and had no chance.

As for Connette, I think we're going to see plenty of snaps go his way no matter what so he won't just be sitting on the sideline. Remember, they want the 11 best kids on the field. If he gains that .5 second on hugs decision making, he'll be there
Here you go again.

There were several on here that said he was awful.  I didn't name any names nor would I ever do that. 

This is an opinion board is it not?  I didn't know I needed to provide facts to back up every opinion I have of a player.  But, why do I say he's a gamer, excels and finds a way to get it done?  Because I've seen this kid play since he was at Bakersfield High School and at Bakersfield College, which won a state title under his helm.  Is that evidence enough to satisfy you? 

Geesh!!!!
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:00 AM

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It's great to read that BB is playing well and making it a tough decision for the coaches.  It would not surprise me if we ended up running a dual QB, dual treat system.  Situational formations depending on the yardage to goal...Keeps the Defense guessing!!!
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:07 AM

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what surprised me was burrell's performance during the spring game !!!  your right - he was awful. along with the other quarterbacks. that's why we brought in another guy !!

but, you can look at this another way !!  burrell has more time in the system and learned under carr, but yet couldn't get it done during spring and can't pull away from connette who only has two weeks under his belt. i'm pretty sure burrell has throw more int's during practice versus connette and that's not even in a real game, where there's added pressure.

so, connette who has only two weeks of practice and .5 second slow on his reads is equal to or slightly better than burrell at this point. how good will connette be when he gets a little more time under his belt ?  plus, he has game experience, takes better care of the ball and that he can tuck and run definitely never hurts !!!

glad that burrell and connette are pushing each other during camp.  that makes both of them better and leaves us with a back up that can step in !!!!!!!!

JMO !! wink
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:14 AM

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Not surprised one bit. Everyone wanted to discount BB after a rough spring game and hand the starting position to Connette sight unseen, but BB has been a winner at every stop and has had a 2+ year head start on Connette on the playbook, terminology, as well as working with this set of receivers.

Until CTD announces a starter, I'm sticking with my prediction that BB will start against USC with Connette getting special packages (a la Blake Bell), but that Connette will eventually be the starter by the start of the MWC season.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:20 AM

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Derek was a great quarterback for us. I'm sure we are all glad he wanted to play at Fresno State.

But in our last two bowl games, we had a quarterback that was not 100% healthy. None of us fans knew this until months after the game was played.

DeRuyter didn't have many options. He had to play Derek in these bowl games. I don't think DeRuyter ever wants to be in a situation again where he has only one option for the quarterback.

I think both quarterbacks will see significant playing time this year.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:27 AM

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A couple of months ago I tried to temper expectations of fans for assuming BC was the anointed one and that coaches wouldn't provide a fair and open competition for the spot. Rooster derisively shot back with, 'of course he is the anointed one. Why else would CTD bring him in?'  I was stung by Rooster's rebuke, but he's a classy guy for admitting his eyes have been opened. I think all of our eyes have been opened. We may actually have an offense this year. And you have to admit that if you are going to allow your QB's to use their legs more then you'd better have a good back-up.

Look at what happened to USU when Chuckie Keeton went down. Actually they were still very good without him which is a testament to the quality of their program, but with Chuckie back the pollsters are really jumping on the USU bandwagon and rightfully so. But what if Chuckie goes down again? That's why it will be a blessing for the 'Dogs to have two virtually equal QB's. My fantasy is to have the #1 QB march us down the field and then on a 3rd and 4 at the 30 yd. line suddenly bring in QB#2 for a couple of plays just to get that WTF? reaction from the defense and then bring back #1 to finish the drive.

Finally, I want to thank all of you 'Dogs for your posts and comments this off-season. You have sustained this starving fan. But now the season is here. Let the feast begin.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:39 AM

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Nope, not enough evidence. My evidence is my eyes tell me he's inaccurate.


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FresnoStateBulldog wrote: First of all, I don't recall many posters saying BBurrell was "awful", I do recall many of us saying he is "inaccurate"...which until he proves otherwise, I'll still stand by.  The irony of your post is that you derisively call his critics "coaches", while you yourself say that he "excels and finds a way to get it done", despite having zero evidence for that statement.  
bakodogfan wrote: Not surprised at all. The kid is a gamer. When the chips are on the table, this guy excels and he will find a way to get it done. Is he going to make some mistakes? Sure, everyone does. But, he's had plenty of time in the system and learned a ton from Derek. I'm happy for BB after reading so much from the "coaches" on this board pretty much say that he was awful and had no chance.

As for Connette, I think we're going to see plenty of snaps go his way no matter what so he won't just be sitting on the sideline. Remember, they want the 11 best kids on the field. If he gains that .5 second on hugs decision making, he'll be there
Here you go again.

There were several on here that said he was awful.  I didn't name any names nor would I ever do that. 

This is an opinion board is it not?  I didn't know I needed to provide facts to back up every opinion I have of a player.  But, why do I say he's a gamer, excels and finds a way to get it done?  Because I've seen this kid play since he was at Bakersfield High School and at Bakersfield College, which won a state title under his helm.  Is that evidence enough to satisfy you? 

Geesh!!!!

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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:57 AM

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Burrel has really impressed, but look what he did before he came to Fresno....The guy is no slouch....

That being said if you listened to TD in one of his recent post scrimmage interviews, he talks about how it is nice to have a running option at the QB position and how we didn't need that the last two years (because obviously DC was very accurate....)

Point is that unless Burrell is close to as accurate as Derek, then the QB position is going to need a runner and gunner...If that is the case it will be awfully hard for Schram to sit a Tim Tebow clone....

If you see Burrel get the nod as the starter, man he must have really impressed in his throwing capacity....
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Posted: 08/18/2014 10:59 AM

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Burrell can run too
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Posted: 08/18/2014 4:45 PM

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If Connette doesn't transfer, it's Burrell vs Carr, Greenlee and Anderson.
Would we feel comfortable with that lineup? I wasn't. I'm betting 6-6 at best this season. Connette adds a wrinkle. Carr moves to receiver (probably best for his chances to play at the next level).

Connette, when used last year was primarily a goal line runner. Not a passer except for the few games he started at QB. Hell, he wasn't even Duke's starter. A year ago that's a joke. Burrell when he played looked rather pathetic. He had accuracy problems, it simply looked like he was a poor man's Tom Brandstater circa 2006. So I'm not sure where we are. Connette has matured further from last year. He's been working on his passing. He appears to have the better arm. But is it enough?
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Posted: 08/18/2014 7:06 PM

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So according to CTD, we have 2 good qbs? One thing we gave to remember, when you have a 2 qb system.... you don't have 1 😕

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Posted: 08/18/2014 7:16 PM

Red is it not sweet that we have 


a real QB competition?

Or how about competition in camp , period?

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Posted: 08/18/2014 9:32 PM

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redroadster wrote:
SeaDog71 wrote: It could be that Coach is trying to continue to raise the level of competition between to two get the most out of both, hence his comments. However with that said, I am a little surprised that Connette hasn't been able to obviously distance himself from Burrell which speaks volumes about Burrell as a competitor. In the end, I still think Connette wins out because of his big game experience but it's good to know we have two good quarterbacks in our system.
Yeah, but that really speaks to my point.  It is not because BC stinks, but because Burrell is playing so much better, that there is very little difference (according to CTD).  And yes, I have thought about your suggestion that CTD is lying about BB's improvement and that he is BS'ing us about Connette's struggles to digest the playbook to make the competition fiercer.....  but, no.  I can't buy that.

I do think CTD WANTS an intense competition, but would he falsify the evidence to obtain one?  Naa.  I think Burrell is simply turning up the heat - and he is better than we gave him credit for...
It is very possible Brandon Connette is being prepared for a similar role as he played at Duke. Why not? He was Dubbed the Phantom at Duke by the Fans by playing multiple positions with success. dukereport.com/duke-football/t...nnette/bgreene/   It could be Burrell has turned the heat up, this would not surprise me, I seen him play at BC. It would also not surprise me to see CTD use the strongest suit to win. Use both, and use them in roles to compliment a fast paced no huddle offense not knowing where Connette will line up. Pure speculation on my part. But it would be fun to have an offense with the Phantom.

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When Brandon announced he was leaving Duke, he said that besides his mothers health situation and Fresno being closer to home, the biggest reason why he wanted to go to Fresno was because he wanted the chance to be "the man" and Fresno offered that opportunity. He was talking to another school I believe that was even closer to home, but they wanted him to come as the Phantom, not a QB. I believe he will be t
starting the majority of y'all's season, but regardless I'm happy to see that he has stiff competition which he has said improves his game. Boone (our current QB) played better because of Brandon pushing him in practice and vice versa. I have no doubt the BB will be killer for y'all next season as a result of competing with Brandon, no matter who starts.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 9:48 PM

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dieharddog wrote: So according to CTD, we have 2 good qbs? One thing we gave to remember, when you have a 2 qb system.... you don't have 1 😕
+1 I agree. 

I also wonder at this point if there is a front runner but this talk is designed to make it more difficult for USC to gameplan?
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Posted: 08/21/2014 5:10 PM

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Correcto!  I believe CTD probably knows, but why should USC's coordinator know, too?  I do think both will see significant playing time, but one will definitely be the starter.  Which one?  I just don't know (but I'm thinking Connette, based on experience in big games.)

CTD will do all he can to avoid another embarrassment at the hands of the University of Spoiled Children.
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