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Quarterback Competition

Posted: 08/15/2014 8:13 AM

Quarterback Competition 


From what I've read the competition at quarterback is pretty equal with Connette having a slight edge. I think Connette emerges as the starter because of his game experience and is probably a little better at running the ball. Great to see the competition has improved the Qback position and it's reassuring that if one of our Qbacks goes down we have someone who can step in without much of a drop off.

How do others view this competition and when will Coach name a starter?

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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:24 AM

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So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:43 AM

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So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

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You start the guy that gives you the best chance... I think Zach has a knee brace on and is hindered from really competing. I think both will get some playing time. At this point I would start connette and tell him this is your spot to lose and then tell Burrell keep up the competition because this is a week to week based on performance and consistency.

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Posted: 08/15/2014 10:57 AM

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So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

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You start the guy that gives you the best chance... I think Zach has a knee brace on and is hindered from really competing. I think both will get some playing time. At this point I would start connette and tell him this is your spot to lose and then tell Burrell keep up the competition because this is a week to week based on performance and consistency.

Nice post.  I think that is exactly what Coach De Ruyter is going to do.  BTW, I also think Connette will never look back, and then, next year, Burrell will have Anderson to deal with....
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Posted: 08/15/2014 1:38 PM

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fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

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If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.


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Posted: 08/15/2014 2:22 PM

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retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 2:50 PM

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IMO, this QB competition is impacted by the identity of the Dogs' first opponent: USC.  As fast as USC collapsed the pocket all game long in the 2013 Las Vegas Bowl, forcing Derek Carr into his worst game ever as a Bulldog, I would think Connette gets the nod in game one this year versus USC.  Maybe USC's pass rush will be slowed considerably after Connette avoids pressure by tucking it and running for nice gains a couple of times.  USC would probably tee off on Burrell, worse than they did Carr.

Then once Connette starts game one, he's in the driver's seat thereafter.

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Posted: 08/15/2014 2:54 PM

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retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.
That's what drove me nuts about Pat Hill.

I don't think it's fair to say that "we were a fall back" for Connette's "purposes". I mean, the dude's mom has brain cancer, so sure we weren't his first choice, I guess, but give the guy a break. He didn't have to come to Fresno State. I'm sure there were other schools on the West Coast that would have taken him, but he chose Fresno State. 

This weekends scrimmage could swing the pendulum depending on how the two QBs perform. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if both got playing time and unless we're 3-0 after Nebraska with one QB playing, I'd expect to see some movement at that position.

The thing I love about these coaches. They're going to play the players that give the team the best chance of winning. It doesn't matter how loyal or long you've been with the program. It's what's best for the team and what better way to show loyalty to the team then to play the best players. That's what it's all about. It's about the team, not the individual.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 3:16 PM

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CTD needs to make the move to name the starter very soon.  The guy need to have a lot of reps now.  

Burrell is the tallest of the group, but doesn't throw the ball all that well.
Connette is the newest of the group, so still learning the system.
Which one makes gives us the best chance to win?  Which one will make the most big plays?  Which one will make the fewest critical mistakes?

We are playing at USC, at Utah, against Nebraska and at Boise State.  We are not going to out defense these teams, so we better have an offense that can move the ball and even more importantly: score, score, score, score, score, score, score, and score (where these scores add up to 52 or more points and not just 24 points). WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SCORE 50 PLUS POINTS IN EACH OF THESE GAMES TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. It's very simple.  Which combination of players on this team will get this done?


redroadster wrote:
retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 3:34 PM

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Wow.  You better check with your doctor about alzheimers.
Derek's worse game as a Bulldog was not the USC game (where he was playing with a separated shoulder).
Go back to that 2011 season at home against BSU, 7-57.  That was the most embarrassing game ever (especially if Devon doesn't take that return back in the final minutes of the game).  126 yards passing and an INT.  Brutal.  Derek was like a chicken in a wolves den.  The subsequent losses to NMSU (the first ever loss to that terrible program), and to SJSU (where our former 4th string QB according to most on here, Matt Faulkner, knocked off the Bulldogs).  I would even argue that the stats he put up against SJSU last year and the resulting loss were also a bad game.  


OldFigBBJ2 wrote: IMO, this QB competition is impacted by the identity of the Dogs' first opponent: USC.  As fast as USC collapsed the pocket all game long in the 2013 Las Vegas Bowl, forcing Derek Carr into his worst game ever as a Bulldog, I would think Connette gets the nod in game one this year versus USC.  Maybe USC's pass rush will be slowed considerably after Connette avoids pressure by tucking it and running for nice gains a couple of times.  USC would probably tee off on Burrell, worse than they did Carr.

Then once Connette starts game one, he's in the driver's seat thereafter.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 3:36 PM

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First, I will admit that the fall back comment was out of line, I forgot that he came here for family reasons.

I was and still am very excited that he chose to come to Fresno State.  I hope he dominates all the other QB's on the roster.  That being said, my point is, if Connette, with all of his "Big Time" playing experience separate himself from a guy that has hardly sniffed the field at Fresno State, maybe there are other things to consider.

Connette has been able to show us what he has, and it has been pretty impressive.  I realize we are opening with USC, a tall task for any QB, just ask Derrick Carr about that.  The experience he has is a huge factor.

However, what would that same "Big Game Experience" this year mean for our squad next year?  That is if another QB isn't able to beat him out for the start.

I am in total agreement that no one should start out of loyalty.  We should put the best person on the field at any time.  If they are both "equal" going into the game, what would our short term risk mean for our long term goals?

I don't know the answer, I am merely presenting a different look at the scenario.  I am not saying that my point of view is the option I would choose.

So I would say that my additional perspective may not be the obvious one, but "asinine," I disagree with.

I could also say that other perspectives are "short sighted."  Wait, maybe the correct work to apply would be "myopic."
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Posted: 08/15/2014 3:47 PM

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So you are saying that all 4 teams mentioned will score 50 on us? eek1eek1eek1 Back away from the crack pipe.  Our defense will be better, and our CBs will be much better...there's not a chance that all 4 teams score 50 on us.  In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if anybody scored 50 on us this year...
CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote:

CTD needs to make the move to name the starter very soon.  The guy need to have a lot of reps now.  

Burrell is the tallest of the group, but doesn't throw the ball all that well.
Connette is the newest of the group, so still learning the system.
Which one makes gives us the best chance to win?  Which one will make the most big plays?  Which one will make the fewest critical mistakes?

We are playing at USC, at Utah, against Nebraska and at Boise State.  We are not going to out defense these teams, so we better have an offense that can move the ball and even more importantly: score, score, score, score, score, score, score, and score (where these scores add up to 52 or more points and not just 24 points). WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SCORE 50 PLUS POINTS IN EACH OF THESE GAMES TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. It's very simple.  Which combination of players on this team will get this done?


redroadster wrote:
retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 4:59 PM

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Jeebus, the spirit of Fig's post was absolutely correct. And I completely agree about USC teeing off on Burrell.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 5:35 PM

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They are also very much about competition and winning the MWC.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if both guys played until one clearly separated themselves from the other.  Winning at USC will have nothing to do with winning the MWC.   If losing to SC but getting both guys a chance to compete and push each other further helps the team position itself to win a league title my guess is that is what they will do.


PleasewintheWAC2006 wrote:
retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.
That's what drove me nuts about Pat Hill.

I don't think it's fair to say that "we were a fall back" for Connette's "purposes". I mean, the dude's mom has brain cancer, so sure we weren't his first choice, I guess, but give the guy a break. He didn't have to come to Fresno State. I'm sure there were other schools on the West Coast that would have taken him, but he chose Fresno State. 

This weekends scrimmage could swing the pendulum depending on how the two QBs perform. We'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if both got playing time and unless we're 3-0 after Nebraska with one QB playing, I'd expect to see some movement at that position.

The thing I love about these coaches. They're going to play the players that give the team the best chance of winning. It doesn't matter how loyal or long you've been with the program. It's what's best for the team and what better way to show loyalty to the team then to play the best players. That's what it's all about. It's about the team, not the individual.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 5:35 PM

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CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote: Wow.  You better check with your doctor about alzheimers.
Derek's worse game as a Bulldog was not the USC game (where he was playing with a separated shoulder).
Go back to that 2011 season at home against BSU, 7-57.  That was the most embarrassing game ever (especially if Devon doesn't take that return back in the final minutes of the game).  126 yards passing and an INT.  Brutal.  Derek was like a chicken in a wolves den.  The subsequent losses to NMSU (the first ever loss to that terrible program), and to SJSU (where our former 4th string QB according to most on here, Matt Faulkner, knocked off the Bulldogs).  I would even argue that the stats he put up against SJSU last year and the resulting loss were also a bad game.  


OldFigBBJ2 wrote: IMO, this QB competition is impacted by the identity of the Dogs' first opponent: USC.  As fast as USC collapsed the pocket all game long in the 2013 Las Vegas Bowl, forcing Derek Carr into his worst game ever as a Bulldog, I would think Connette gets the nod in game one this year versus USC.  Maybe USC's pass rush will be slowed considerably after Connette avoids pressure by tucking it and running for nice gains a couple of times.  USC would probably tee off on Burrell, worse than they did Carr.

Then once Connette starts game one, he's in the driver's seat thereafter.
And here i thought you were a bulldog fan.  you had me until that ridiculous comment about last year's SJSU game.  the offense put up 52 points in that game, the defense let the team down not Derek.  If your offense scores 52 pts you SHOULD win that game.

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Posted: 08/15/2014 7:34 PM

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I know that focus is a hard deal, a real hard deal.  Focus is something only a select few can achieve.  But to the extent you can, focus on the premise of my post.  USC collapses pockets in a hurry, and versus USC, Fresno's choice of QB should probably place a premium on scrambling capability.  If you have a response relevant to that premise, feel free to articulate it. 


CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote: Wow.  You better check with your doctor about alzheimers.
Derek's worse game as a Bulldog was not the USC game (where he was playing with a separated shoulder).
Go back to that 2011 season at home against BSU, 7-57.  That was the most embarrassing game ever (especially if Devon doesn't take that return back in the final minutes of the game).  126 yards passing and an INT.  Brutal.  Derek was like a chicken in a wolves den.  The subsequent losses to NMSU (the first ever loss to that terrible program), and to SJSU (where our former 4th string QB according to most on here, Matt Faulkner, knocked off the Bulldogs).  I would even argue that the stats he put up against SJSU last year and the resulting loss were also a bad game.  


OldFigBBJ2 wrote: IMO, this QB competition is impacted by the identity of the Dogs' first opponent: USC.  As fast as USC collapsed the pocket all game long in the 2013 Las Vegas Bowl, forcing Derek Carr into his worst game ever as a Bulldog, I would think Connette gets the nod in game one this year versus USC.  Maybe USC's pass rush will be slowed considerably after Connette avoids pressure by tucking it and running for nice gains a couple of times.  USC would probably tee off on Burrell, worse than they did Carr.

Then once Connette starts game one, he's in the driver's seat thereafter.

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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:02 PM

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When we only hear about zone read runs from the QB, that's not what I want to hear.  Bottom line, we don't win unless we can command the offense to score and score often.
FresnoStateBulldog wrote: So you are saying that all 4 teams mentioned will score 50 on us? eek1eek1eek1 Back away from the crack pipe.  Our defense will be better, and our CBs will be much better...there's not a chance that all 4 teams score 50 on us.  In fact, I'd be extremely surprised if anybody scored 50 on us this year...
CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote:

CTD needs to make the move to name the starter very soon.  The guy need to have a lot of reps now.  

Burrell is the tallest of the group, but doesn't throw the ball all that well.
Connette is the newest of the group, so still learning the system.
Which one makes gives us the best chance to win?  Which one will make the most big plays?  Which one will make the fewest critical mistakes?

We are playing at USC, at Utah, against Nebraska and at Boise State.  We are not going to out defense these teams, so we better have an offense that can move the ball and even more importantly: score, score, score, score, score, score, score, and score (where these scores add up to 52 or more points and not just 24 points). WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SCORE 50 PLUS POINTS IN EACH OF THESE GAMES TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. It's very simple.  Which combination of players on this team will get this done?


redroadster wrote:
retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:07 PM

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I think we should see a starter named a week prior, but no earlier. No need to give USC a head start on if they will be defending a pocket passer or running quarterback.
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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:42 PM

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CTD needs to make the move to name the starter very soon.  The guy need to have a lot of reps now.  

Burrell is the tallest of the group, but doesn't throw the ball all that well.
Connette is the newest of the group, so still learning the system.
Which one makes gives us the best chance to win?  Which one will make the most big plays?  Which one will make the fewest critical mistakes?

We are playing at USC, at Utah, against Nebraska and at Boise State.  We are not going to out defense these teams, so we better have an offense that can move the ball and even more importantly: score, score, score, score, score, score, score, and score (where these scores add up to 52 or more points and not just 24 points). WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SCORE 50 PLUS POINTS IN EACH OF THESE GAMES TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. It's very simple.  Which combination of players on this team will get this done?




redroadster wrote:
retrofade wrote:
fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

eek1

If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.


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Posted: 08/15/2014 8:53 PM

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I don't deny that our OL will need to be up to the task of stopping the USC rush.  But we also need to be able to run the ball, using all of our offensive tools.  Carr was hurt going into the Vegs Bowl.  The offensive focus became to protect Carr in the pocket with a bunker mentality, as well as trying to highlight him and the receivers.  We ran the ball 6 times for 37 yards.  No sacks.  So yeah, having a healthy QB, healthy RBs and WRs will be a plus.  I just want the best guy we have to be out there playing healthy.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 1:06 PM

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I think y'all would be making a terrible mistake to not give Brandon the keys. All the proof you need is 4 rushing TDs against a Miami defense who knew what he was going to do when the ball was snapped and still could not stop him. He will be a major part of y'all winning games this season. And anyone questioning his commitment, I can tell you Brandon goes in 100% in whatever he does. On a personal note, I (and a lot of other Duke fans) would be very disappointed if he didn't start. We just lost our starting TE and we could've really used Brandon (not that we wouldn't be using him if our TE didn't go down) to help us replace that lost offense. Brandon told us part of the reason he wanted to go to Fresno was because he would get the chance to be "the man" and that's something all us Duke fans want for him. He has got the skills and mindset to be a huge player for you guys, and we hope he gets on the field often. But I know this is y'all's team and you want whoever gives you the best chance to win to play, and I understand that. I understand the concerns about next year when Brandon won't be there, and the concerns that he may not be as famille with the offense as your other QB's. But in my opinion as an adopted Bulldog fan, Brandon is the guy to start. His running skills and improved passing (from what I've heard) more than make up for the fact that he will only be there for 1 year. If he gets the keys, I'm pretty sure he will be a big part of y'all running the MWC. All us Duke fans will be watching and rooting for y'all no matter who you start.

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Can we all try to get the nickname "Bull Devil" to stick. I think it's awesome and really describes his playing style as well as being a nod to Fresno and Duke

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Posted: 08/18/2014 2:09 PM

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In all honesty, we have a huge amount of respect for our new head coach, Tim de Ruyter.  He has returned our program to  the joys of winning football games - he has won 20 games, his first two seasons.  If he decides to start Brian Burrell, it will ONLY happen because he thinks Burrell gives us a better chance to win.  That won't be a slam on Connette, IMO, so much as a compliment to Burrell's progress.

CTD has already made a name for himself, here, by playing the best 11 guys available - whoever they might be.  As you might imagine, that totally thrills the newbies and incoming freshmen (some of whom will be playing, this year).

I am a huge Connette fan (and have watched all the Duke films available), but I am an even bigger Tim de Ruyter fan.  He has great instincts and a lot of common sense.  He will make the right call for us.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 3:09 PM

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portlandog wrote: Jeebus, the spirit of Fig's post was absolutely correct. And I completely agree about USC teeing off on Burrell.
You and Fig are assuming Burrell has the speed of a two toed sloth with 2 left feet.  While there is no doubt Connette is the "better" runner, you have to remember Burrell ran the ball a lot in high school and did it successfully, so I am going to have to say that I don't think USC will necessarily tee off on Burrell.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 3:10 PM

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Bluedog, you are a great contributor here and I for one enjoy your input.  You make college football worth watching as I will try to find Duke live or at least in reviews after games so that I can share your joy over 'our' teams.

I feel Connette will play a lot even if he does not start.  I also feel he will start one of, if not more, of the first three games and from the results of both QB's stats and manner in which they have run the team will result in being chosen to start games further into the season.  I do not have a feel for if Coach D will use a platoon system ( I rather doubt it ) but he may well use BC in situational segments much as he played at Duke.

My gut feeling is he will end up being the starter over-all and Burrell will certainly play significant minutes until a separation occurs sometime before league games begin.

Thanks again for being here with your insight and enthusiasm.  Come back often and share your game highlights.

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Posted: 08/18/2014 5:00 PM

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portlandog wrote: Jeebus, the spirit of Fig's post was absolutely correct. And I completely agree about USC teeing off on Burrell.
You and Fig are assuming Burrell has the speed of a two toed sloth with 2 left feet.  While there is no doubt Connette is the "better" runner, you have to remember Burrell ran the ball a lot in high school and did it successfully, so I am going to have to say that I don't think USC will necessarily tee off on Burrell.

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You know it's funny, right after this post he reeled off an 80 yard td ruin in scrimmage.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 5:11 PM

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Very well said and I think Bluedog's post was extremely well thought out. I also feel he is spot on with his analysis.


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Bluedog, you are a great contributor here and I for one enjoy your input.  You make college football worth watching as I will try to find Duke live or at least in reviews after games so that I can share your joy over 'our' teams.

I feel Connette will play a lot even if he does not start.  I also feel he will start one of, if not more, of the first three games and from the results of both QB's stats and manner in which they have run the team will result in being chosen to start games further into the season.  I do not have a feel for if Coach D will use a platoon system ( I rather doubt it ) but he may well use BC in situational segments much as he played at Duke.

My gut feeling is he will end up being the starter over-all and Burrell will certainly play significant minutes until a separation occurs sometime before league games begin.

Thanks again for being here with your insight and enthusiasm.  Come back often and share your game highlights.

Go BullDevils

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Posted: 08/18/2014 5:42 PM

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Very well said and I think Bluedog's post was extremely well thought out. I also feel he is spot on with his analysis.


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Bluedog, you are a great contributor here and I for one enjoy your input.  You make college football worth watching as I will try to find Duke live or at least in reviews after games so that I can share your joy over 'our' teams.

I feel Connette will play a lot even if he does not start.  I also feel he will start one of, if not more, of the first three games and from the results of both QB's stats and manner in which they have run the team will result in being chosen to start games further into the season.  I do not have a feel for if Coach D will use a platoon system ( I rather doubt it ) but he may well use BC in situational segments much as he played at Duke.

My gut feeling is he will end up being the starter over-all and Burrell will certainly play significant minutes until a separation occurs sometime before league games begin.

Thanks again for being here with your insight and enthusiasm.  Come back often and share your game highlights.

Go BullDevils

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Thanks guys. I've just seen what Brandon can do when he's just the back-up / goal line QB. I don't know how good the D lines are in the MWC, but Brandon put a lot of future (and current) pro d-linemen from the ACC to shame during his time at Duke. I'm just excited for him and you guys because he brings something to the table that not a lot of guys have. It's going to be a challenge to come in after one of the best college QBs in the past decade or two, but I think he will make y'all proud. He's made us proud over here (and I reckon he will this season too) I'll tell you that. Again, super excited that I have another team to pull for. I really think y'all will hit USC in the mouth (I really don't get that expression because the human mouth is filthy and hitting it with your hand often leads to cuts that can cause really bad infection, but whatever) cause they kinda over looking you.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 5:55 PM

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Also, I do agree that even if he doesn't start, he will see a lot of action. I've been hearin that he's been working a lot on his passing skills this offseason, and knowing Brandon, he probably went 120% during every training session. That's a really big reason why I think he will be able to come in and be a true duel threat starting QB for y'all. One thing that was holding him back (in terms of passing) at Duke was that he often split time between several different position groups during the off season and even during the season itself. We were still coming from those 0-11 and 2-10 years and we hadn't had an athlete like Brandon in years. He really didnt get as much time to improve as a QB as he would at other places where they didn't need him all over the field. I remember one game where he caught, rushed, and threw for a touchdown. He's that versatile.
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Posted: 08/18/2014 6:11 PM

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He had a rushing td last year where he dented his helmet


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portlandog wrote: Jeebus, the spirit of Fig's post was absolutely correct. And I completely agree about USC teeing off on Burrell.
You and Fig are assuming Burrell has the speed of a two toed sloth with 2 left feet.  While there is no doubt Connette is the "better" runner, you have to remember Burrell ran the ball a lot in high school and did it successfully, so I am going to have to say that I don't think USC will necessarily tee off on Burrell.

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You know it's funny, right after this post he reeled off an 80 yard td ruin in scrimmage.

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Posted: 08/18/2014 7:51 PM

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I would love to have that happen.  But...don't forget we gave up 51, 40, 62, 45 in games last year.  We will need to really step it up against USC, Utah, Nebraska, BSU, Nevada, San Diego State?



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CTD needs to make the move to name the starter very soon.  The guy need to have a lot of reps now.  

Burrell is the tallest of the group, but doesn't throw the ball all that well.
Connette is the newest of the group, so still learning the system.
Which one makes gives us the best chance to win?  Which one will make the most big plays?  Which one will make the fewest critical mistakes?

We are playing at USC, at Utah, against Nebraska and at Boise State.  We are not going to out defense these teams, so we better have an offense that can move the ball and even more importantly: score, score, score, score, score, score, score, and score (where these scores add up to 52 or more points and not just 24 points). WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SCORE 50 PLUS POINTS IN EACH OF THESE GAMES TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN. It's very simple.  Which combination of players on this team will get this done?




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fbdog wrote: So it looks like the competition is between Connette and Burrell.

If they are so equal, wouldn't you want to give the nod to Burrell?  First he is a Jr. which would give him the experience for his Sr. year.  Secondly, I believe in the "Best Player Plays," however if it is close, the nod should be given to the player that has been most committed to the program.  I realize that Burrell transferred from Jr. College, but he picked Fresno State and has put in the time.  That should account for something.  We were not Connett's first choice, we were a fall back to suit his purposes.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad Connette chose to come here and I fully support him as a dog.  If he is clearly ahead of the pack, he should be our starter, but all things being equal, loyalty should mean something.

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If the ability levels are the same, then you give it to the person with actual game experience in big games, and instinct to be able to find the end zone. Giving guys starting jobs out of loyalty is asinine.

Agreed.  

BTW, good word, "asinine" - and, in this case, correctly applied.


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Posted: 08/18/2014 7:52 PM

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My first thought, upon reading about the 80-yard run, was: "I'm going to get called on this." 




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portlandog wrote: Jeebus, the spirit of Fig's post was absolutely correct. And I completely agree about USC teeing off on Burrell.
You and Fig are assuming Burrell has the speed of a two toed sloth with 2 left feet.  While there is no doubt Connette is the "better" runner, you have to remember Burrell ran the ball a lot in high school and did it successfully, so I am going to have to say that I don't think USC will necessarily tee off on Burrell.

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You know it's funny, right after this post he reeled off an 80 yard td ruin in scrimmage.

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