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Selective Enforcement of Title 9 Training table in Mountain West

Posted: 07/20/2014 9:14 AM

Selective Enforcement of Title 9 Training table in Mountain West 


In today's Bee it was discussed that Fresno State was one of two Schools in the Mountain West that did not have a training table.

Fresno State's costs for a training table are Prohibitive because Thomas Boeh says Fresno state would need to provide a training table to all its student athletes more than 400 which would quadruple the cost  from a football only program from the Norm in the conference.  In other words because we follow title 9 equality it would cost our Athletic department 4 times the amount at other schools.

Title 9 is National law yet the following 4 Schools have training tables for Football only

1)Boise State
2) Hawaii
3) San Diego State
4) Utah State

And Six Schools have training tables for Football and at least one other Sport

1) Colorado State
2) Nevada
3)New Mexico
4)San Jose State
5) UNLV
6) Wyoming

At Air Force all Athletes take their meals in the Cadet dining hall.

Deruyter thinks we are at a recruiting disadvantage because of this. Bose the strength coach says its like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari.

So how do schools with the lowest budgets Nevada, San Jose State and Utah State provide training tables and Fresno State does not.

Where is title 9 at Boise State and San Diego State where the training table is for Football only ?
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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:32 AM

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Thanks for tis post. The whole time I'm reading the article I'm scratching my head thinking the entire NCAA is completely morally bankrupt in it's selective enforcement, or Thomas Boeh has his head in the sand. Be realistic!
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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:33 AM

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These schools don't have a Compliance fanatic for an AD that over interprets everything T9! It's just that simple.

The same dude who talked about "improving the game day experience" early in his tenure only to take away half of the Red Lot for a Lacrosse practice field, allow 940 ESPN to overtake the White Lot with their platforms and loudspeakers and continue to impose a 4 hour tailgate limit (shortest in all the MWC and most of CF).

 

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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:36 AM

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Is there any reason we cannot copy what SDSU is doing?
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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:59 AM

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redroadster wrote: Is there any reason we cannot copy what SDSU is doing?
A couple of years ago I read an article in the San Diego paper. There former  President was quite Pro athletics and though the students voted down a student  fee increase he just overrode it to supply more money for athletics.

They also operated in a very different environment and they interviewed coaches on campus including Woman's coaches and  all  the minor sports coaches  realized that Football was important to the success of the total sports program. They were not jealous of the football program getting additional funding. The same thing at Boise, the minor sports coaches all realize their programs ride on the success of the football program.

At Fresno State you had Margie Wright, Linda Vivas, Stacey  Johnson and still have Dianne Multinovich monitoring every dollar spent on men's athletics and calling foul if an equal dollar is not spent on woman's sports.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 10:19 AM

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It's unfortunate that some don't realize that they are biting the hand that feeds them. For years, we've seen that the football program carries the budgets for the other programs, especially women's programs. When there is success with the football team, it benefits every other athletic team at Fresno St. While coaching has improved the football team the last couple of years, the injection of money has also helped as well.

Too bad we don't have an AD that can try to bring the parties together and convince them that it takes money to have that success and it will pay off down the road.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 10:32 AM

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Boise does not fund a men's baseball team.  Just more money they can funnel into the Men's football team.  I'm sure the Fresno men's baseball team is not cheap to maintain.  Not that I advocate getting rid of the baseball team, just saying. 

I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU CAN LIVE WITH AND WHAT YOU THINK YOU CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT AS A SCHOOL ATHLETIC PROGRAM.

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views.

Nuff Said!

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Posted: 07/20/2014 11:07 AM

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Boise does not fund a men's baseball team.  Just more money they can funnel into the Men's football team.  I'm sure the Fresno men's baseball team is not cheap to maintain.  Not that I advocate getting rid of the baseball team, just saying. 

I GUESS IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT YOU THINK YOU CAN LIVE WITH AND WHAT YOU THINK YOU CANNOT LIVE WITHOUT AS A SCHOOL ATHLETIC PROGRAM.

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Boise has a men's gymnastics team...

Let's just face facts. If our football team is to keep progressing Boeh has to go. It really is just that simple. The dude is a bureaucrat in the truest sense. He cares more about his compliance resume than anything else. I make this statement by observing his actions and listening to his responses on various occasions. Look no further than his quotes in the Bee article. He's convinced it's a 400 person training table or nothing. Not even Ohio State, who can afford such an endeavor, makes that extreme interpretation let alone fellow MWC schools.

 

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Posted: 07/20/2014 11:19 AM

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Why not a training table for all who pay for RDH food? Why just for the "Div 1" athletes? What about intramurals, etc.?


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--- Jiminfresno wrote:

In today's Bee it was discussed that Fresno State was one of two Schools in the Mountain West that did not have a training table.

Fresno State's costs for a training table are Prohibitive because Thomas Boeh says Fresno state would need to provide a training table to all its student athletes more than 400 which would quadruple the cost  from a football only program from the Norm in the conference.  In other words because we follow title 9 equality it would cost our Athletic department 4 times the amount at other schools.

Title 9 is National law yet the following 4 Schools have training tables for Football only

1)Boise State
2) Hawaii
3) San Diego State
4) Utah State

And Six Schools have training tables for Football and at least one other Sport

1) Colorado State
2) Nevada
3)New Mexico
4)San Jose State
5) UNLV
6) Wyoming

At Air Force all Athletes take their meals in the Cadet dining hall.

Deruyter thinks we are at a recruiting disadvantage because of this. Bose the strength coach says its like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari.

So how do schools with the lowest budgets Nevada, San Jose State and Utah State provide training tables and Fresno State does not.

Where is title 9 at Boise State and San Diego State where the training table is for Football only ?

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Posted: 07/20/2014 12:08 PM

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This really ticks me off. Correct me if I'm wrong but Fresno sells the most tickets to football games and has the largest stadium. We are second to Boise, I'm still guessing, in TV revenue. Yet we are the only school in the entire conference without a training table? With what I have read and heard about CTD, I'm certain he is pushing for this to take fruition as often as he can. I am very surprised that he did not make this part of his new contract deal. I also realize that there is not a lot of money to throw around but sometimes you need to spend money to make money. I think we all know that if a recruit is debating amongst MWC schools, they will use this deficiency against us in the recruiting battle.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:42 PM

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Jiminfresno wrote:
redroadster wrote: Is there any reason we cannot copy what SDSU is doing?
A couple of years ago I read an article in the San Diego paper. There former  President was quite Pro athletics and though the students voted down a student  fee increase he just overrode it to supply more money for athletics.

They also operated in a very different environment and they interviewed coaches on campus including Woman's coaches and  all  the minor sports coaches  realized that Football was important to the success of the total sports program. They were not jealous of the football program getting additional funding. The same thing at Boise, the minor sports coaches all realize their programs ride on the success of the football program.

At Fresno State you had Margie Wright, Linda Vivas, Stacey  Johnson and still have Dianne Multinovich monitoring every dollar spent on men's athletics and calling foul if an equal dollar is not spent on woman's sports.
San Diego State has done a much better job of Title IX compliance. At Fresno we had a series of Athletic Directors who could be described as almost actively avoiding compliance--led by a president who really didn't have any interest as well. The coaches at SDSU could trust their administration to do the right thing. Let's face it, "the right thing" was a foreign phrase in our Athletic Department.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:50 PM

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I guess the four top schools are operating training tables by running athletic department budget deficits. According to US Dept of Ed stats in fy 12-13 SdSU was 3.6 million in red. Boise, Utah St., New Mexico, Nevada, and Hawaii were also in red. Fresno St., UNLV and San Jose were only schools with budget surpluses in excess of $600,000.

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Why not a training table for all who pay for RDH food? Why just for the "Div 1" athletes? What about intramurals, etc.?


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--- Jiminfresno wrote:

In today's Bee it was discussed that Fresno State was one of two Schools in the Mountain West that did not have a training table.

Fresno State's costs for a training table are Prohibitive because Thomas Boeh says Fresno state would need to provide a training table to all its student athletes more than 400 which would quadruple the cost  from a football only program from the Norm in the conference.  In other words because we follow title 9 equality it would cost our Athletic department 4 times the amount at other schools.

Title 9 is National law yet the following 4 Schools have training tables for Football only

1)Boise State
2) Hawaii
3) San Diego State
4) Utah State

And Six Schools have training tables for Football and at least one other Sport

1) Colorado State
2) Nevada
3)New Mexico
4)San Jose State
5) UNLV
6) Wyoming

At Air Force all Athletes take their meals in the Cadet dining hall.

Deruyter thinks we are at a recruiting disadvantage because of this. Bose the strength coach says its like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari.

So how do schools with the lowest budgets Nevada, San Jose State and Utah State provide training tables and Fresno State does not.

Where is title 9 at Boise State and San Diego State where the training table is for Football only ?

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Posted: 07/20/2014 1:52 PM

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559notown wrote: This really ticks me off. Correct me if I'm wrong but Fresno sells the most tickets to football games and has the largest stadium. We are second to Boise, I'm still guessing, in TV revenue. Yet we are the only school in the entire conference without a training table? With what I have read and heard about CTD, I'm certain he is pushing for this to take fruition as often as he can. I am very surprised that he did not make this part of his new contract deal. I also realize that there is not a lot of money to throw around but sometimes you need to spend money to make money. I think we all know that if a recruit is debating amongst MWC schools, they will use this deficiency against us in the recruiting battle.
CTD is now the highest paid coach in the MWC with a base salary of $1.4 million that scales up to a base salary of $1.6 million by 2018. He also has inscentives relating to APR, winning percentage etc. that makes $2 million a year  very attainable. He essentially got a $1 million raise on his base salary. Along with Deruyter's raise the school had to adjust other coaches Salaries along with minor sports woman's teams coaches . So the Athletic department has much larger expenses this year as compared to last year. I wish CTD and the University would have negotiated a little more about issues that would have insured continued success like Training table and a greater recruiting budget as incentives instead of just increasing his salary so much.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 2:28 PM

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redroadster wrote: Is there any reason we cannot copy what SDSU is doing?
We can do exactly what SDSU or SJSU is doing.
"Frequently wrong but never in doubt!"

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Posted: 07/20/2014 2:31 PM

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For the sake of FSU Men's and Women's athletics, Thomas and Dianne must go.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 2:34 PM

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Dogpit63 wrote:
I guess the four top schools are operating training tables by running athletic department budget deficits. According to US Dept of Ed stats in fy 12-13 SdSU was 3.6 million in red. Boise, Utah St., New Mexico, Nevada, and Hawaii were also in red. Fresno St., UNLV and San Jose were only schools with budget surpluses in excess of $600,000.

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Why not a training table for all who pay for RDH food? Why just for the "Div 1" athletes? What about intramurals, etc.?


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--- Jiminfresno wrote:

In today's Bee it was discussed that Fresno State was one of two Schools in the Mountain West that did not have a training table.

Fresno State's costs for a training table are Prohibitive because Thomas Boeh says Fresno state would need to provide a training table to all its student athletes more than 400 which would quadruple the cost  from a football only program from the Norm in the conference.  In other words because we follow title 9 equality it would cost our Athletic department 4 times the amount at other schools.

Title 9 is National law yet the following 4 Schools have training tables for Football only

1)Boise State
2) Hawaii
3) San Diego State
4) Utah State

And Six Schools have training tables for Football and at least one other Sport

1) Colorado State
2) Nevada
3)New Mexico
4)San Jose State
5) UNLV
6) Wyoming

At Air Force all Athletes take their meals in the Cadet dining hall.

Deruyter thinks we are at a recruiting disadvantage because of this. Bose the strength coach says its like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari.

So how do schools with the lowest budgets Nevada, San Jose State and Utah State provide training tables and Fresno State does not.

Where is title 9 at Boise State and San Diego State where the training table is for Football only ?

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I wonder if that surplus $600k would just about provide the training table?  If it was a difference in making a surplus or feeding my student-athletes, it would be an easy decision for me.
"Frequently wrong but never in doubt!"

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Posted: 07/20/2014 2:41 PM

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Rather ironic that Fresno County is one the largest food producers in the world, let alone the United States and the school can't provide food to its athletes.  Wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the food being supplied by Boise's training table was coming from California.  You can only go so far with potatoes and sugar beets.  LOL

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views.

Nuff Said!

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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:11 PM

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From the Bee article a big part is educating athletes to eat healthier. What good is training table if some athletes will bypass in favor of fast food diet. From the article a great percentage of football players aren't using res din hall tickets in favor of other options. That is money lost by athletic department.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:18 PM

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Dismiss athletic department ad for keeping athletic department in NCAA and Title 9 compliance, keeping athletic department within budget and creating budget surplus

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For the sake of FSU Men's and Women's athletics, Thomas and Dianne must go.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:37 PM

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Title IX is getting the blame for this but what role, if any, does Cal Now play? It wouldn't explain SDSU being able to provide a football only training table but it might help explain why some of the other schools outside CA don't have to.

Yoda out...



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"The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism." ~ Barry Goldwater
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:41 PM

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600k from surplus plus $$$ if we sell naming to stadium should cover,
1buffdog wrote:
Dogpit63 wrote:
I guess the four top schools are operating training tables by running athletic department budget deficits. According to US Dept of Ed stats in fy 12-13 SdSU was 3.6 million in red. Boise, Utah St., New Mexico, Nevada, and Hawaii were also in red. Fresno St., UNLV and San Jose were only schools with budget surpluses in excess of $600,000.

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--- CaliforniaStateBulldogs wrote:

Why not a training table for all who pay for RDH food? Why just for the "Div 1" athletes? What about intramurals, etc.?


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--- Jiminfresno wrote:

In today's Bee it was discussed that Fresno State was one of two Schools in the Mountain West that did not have a training table.

Fresno State's costs for a training table are Prohibitive because Thomas Boeh says Fresno state would need to provide a training table to all its student athletes more than 400 which would quadruple the cost  from a football only program from the Norm in the conference.  In other words because we follow title 9 equality it would cost our Athletic department 4 times the amount at other schools.

Title 9 is National law yet the following 4 Schools have training tables for Football only

1)Boise State
2) Hawaii
3) San Diego State
4) Utah State

And Six Schools have training tables for Football and at least one other Sport

1) Colorado State
2) Nevada
3)New Mexico
4)San Jose State
5) UNLV
6) Wyoming

At Air Force all Athletes take their meals in the Cadet dining hall.

Deruyter thinks we are at a recruiting disadvantage because of this. Bose the strength coach says its like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari.

So how do schools with the lowest budgets Nevada, San Jose State and Utah State provide training tables and Fresno State does not.

Where is title 9 at Boise State and San Diego State where the training table is for Football only ?

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I wonder if that surplus $600k would just about provide the training table?  If it was a difference in making a surplus or feeding my student-athletes, it would be an easy decision for me.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:43 PM

If our AD was really on the ball, he would have the training.... 


table sponsored and provided by food producers in the Valley since we are the bread basket of the world.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 3:59 PM

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Dismiss athletic department ad for keeping athletic department in NCAA and Title 9 compliance, keeping athletic department within budget and creating budget surplus

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For the sake of FSU Men's and Women's athletics, Thomas and Dianne must go.

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His slavish devotion to over compliance will eventually cost us our football program as we know it today, and most certainly keep it from what it could be.

 

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Posted: 07/20/2014 4:51 PM

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We have a selective application to Title 9. We use about the most stringent clause to become compliant, whereas most other universities choose not to follow this specific clause. Some universities, like Texas, have so much money to throw around that the absolute dollar amount they can cite for compliance for women's sports is so far removed from most other universities as to render even a 10:1 spending ratio of football to other women sports completely moot. Fresno State, on the other hand, because of past problems from Scott's Johnson, forced Boeh and the university to go completely off the deep end in the opposite spectrum, making them tie the dollar to the enrollment numbers for scholarships, which is a death choke for athletics. Once you do that, you are obligated to tie all spending of any kind to the enrollment numbers, including and not limited to the training table. Or as some here have elaborated, if you put a vending machine in DeRuyter's office, you better put one in Wright's office as well. That or you just don't put any, period. Thus, no training table.
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arx162218 wrote: We have a selective application to Title 9. We use about the most stringent clause to become compliant, whereas most other universities choose not to follow this specific clause. Some universities, like Texas, have so much money to throw around that the absolute dollar amount they can cite for compliance for women's sports is so far removed from most other universities as to render even a 10:1 spending ratio of football to other women sports completely moot. Fresno State, on the other hand, because of past problems from Scott's Johnson, forced Boeh and the university to go completely off the deep end in the opposite spectrum, making them tie the dollar to the enrollment numbers for scholarships, which is a death choke for athletics. Once you do that, you are obligated to tie all spending of any kind to the enrollment numbers, including and not limited to the training table. Or as some here have elaborated, if you put a vending machine in DeRuyter's office, you better put one in Wright's office as well. That or you just don't put any, period. Thus, no training table.
I have also heard that there are different prongs to choose from to be Title 9 Compliant. Fresno State apparently chose the most stringent prong,  where the spending is suppose to correlate to the male-female enrollment. Since there are more female students at Fresno State than male we have the most difficult prong to follow as our spending is suppose to reflect the composition of the student body. The question is whether we can choose to change prongs in midstream, I assumed it has been reviewed.
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There is no $600,000 surplus that was a one year only due to the ESPN games. It was also before raising salaries in the Athletic Department more than $1,000,000 +. The only solution is greater contributions by the community or President Castro allocating more funds to the Athletic department, or Fresno State joining a major conference with TV revenues.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 6:08 PM

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Dogpit63 wrote:
Dismiss athletic department ad for keeping athletic department in NCAA and Title 9 compliance, keeping athletic department within budget and creating budget surplus

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For the sake of FSU Men's and Women's athletics, Thomas and Dianne must go.

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Does not explain SDSU/SJSU having a training table and the Dogs not.  They are under similar California settlement rules.  Hold AD accountable for not finding suitable solutions within the system.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 6:09 PM

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Jiminfresno wrote: There is no $600,000 surplus that was a one year only due to the ESPN games. It was also before raising salaries in the Athletic Department more than $1,000,000 +. The only solution is greater contributions by the community or President Castro allocating more funds to the Athletic department, or Fresno State joining a major conference with TV revenues.
Uhhh....we have a bigger budget than SJSU.  There really is no good excuse and I think feeding our student-athletes adequately is pretty much fundamental to a solid college sports program.
"Frequently wrong but never in doubt!"

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Jiminfresno wrote:
arx162218 wrote: We have a selective application to Title 9. We use about the most stringent clause to become compliant, whereas most other universities choose not to follow this specific clause. Some universities, like Texas, have so much money to throw around that the absolute dollar amount they can cite for compliance for women's sports is so far removed from most other universities as to render even a 10:1 spending ratio of football to other women sports completely moot. Fresno State, on the other hand, because of past problems from Scott's Johnson, forced Boeh and the university to go completely off the deep end in the opposite spectrum, making them tie the dollar to the enrollment numbers for scholarships, which is a death choke for athletics. Once you do that, you are obligated to tie all spending of any kind to the enrollment numbers, including and not limited to the training table. Or as some here have elaborated, if you put a vending machine in DeRuyter's office, you better put one in Wright's office as well. That or you just don't put any, period. Thus, no training table.
I have also heard that there are different prongs to choose from to be Title 9 Compliant. Fresno State apparently chose the most stringent prong,  where the spending is suppose to correlate to the male-female enrollment. Since there are more female students at Fresno State than male we have the most difficult prong to follow as our spending is suppose to reflect the composition of the student body. The question is whether we can choose to change prongs in midstream, I assumed it has been reviewed.
Apparently SDSU/SJSU have found a way to make it happen and they are under similar rules.
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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:12 PM

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Dogpit63 wrote:
Dismiss athletic department ad for keeping athletic department in NCAA and Title 9 compliance, keeping athletic department within budget and creating budget surplus

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So somehow we are the only school who can't enforce Title IX properly? Other schools do it. San Diego State has a much better record at it. 

It ain't rocket science (except to the administrators who have run Fresno State for the previous four decades.)

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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:22 PM

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1buffdog wrote:
Jiminfresno wrote:
arx162218 wrote: We have a selective application to Title 9. We use about the most stringent clause to become compliant, whereas most other universities choose not to follow this specific clause. Some universities, like Texas, have so much money to throw around that the absolute dollar amount they can cite for compliance for women's sports is so far removed from most other universities as to render even a 10:1 spending ratio of football to other women sports completely moot. Fresno State, on the other hand, because of past problems from Scott's Johnson, forced Boeh and the university to go completely off the deep end in the opposite spectrum, making them tie the dollar to the enrollment numbers for scholarships, which is a death choke for athletics. Once you do that, you are obligated to tie all spending of any kind to the enrollment numbers, including and not limited to the training table. Or as some here have elaborated, if you put a vending machine in DeRuyter's office, you better put one in Wright's office as well. That or you just don't put any, period. Thus, no training table.
I have also heard that there are different prongs to choose from to be Title 9 Compliant. Fresno State apparently chose the most stringent prong,  where the spending is suppose to correlate to the male-female enrollment. Since there are more female students at Fresno State than male we have the most difficult prong to follow as our spending is suppose to reflect the composition of the student body. The question is whether we can choose to change prongs in midstream, I assumed it has been reviewed.
Apparently SDSU/SJSU have found a way to make it happen and they are under similar rules.
Exactly. 

What's more constrictive than Titie IX was the Cal-NOW agreement. After refusing to even plan to comply with Title IX, the whole system was about to get a major whipping in court. So they were forced to pick a method to comply, so they picked the method that would be easiest to oversee. 

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Posted: 07/20/2014 8:24 PM

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1buffdog wrote:
Jiminfresno wrote: There is no $600,000 surplus that was a one year only due to the ESPN games. It was also before raising salaries in the Athletic Department more than $1,000,000 +. The only solution is greater contributions by the community or President Castro allocating more funds to the Athletic department, or Fresno State joining a major conference with TV revenues.
Uhhh....we have a bigger budget than SJSU.  There really is no good excuse and I think feeding our student-athletes adequately is pretty much fundamental to a solid college sports program.
I could be wrong, but I think that students at SJSU pay more fees for athletics than at Fresno State. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that coming up when raising fees at Fresno came up.

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Posted: 07/20/2014 9:01 PM

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CoachFord wrote:
1buffdog wrote:
Jiminfresno wrote: There is no $600,000 surplus that was a one year only due to the ESPN games. It was also before raising salaries in the Athletic Department more than $1,000,000 +. The only solution is greater contributions by the community or President Castro allocating more funds to the Athletic department, or Fresno State joining a major conference with TV revenues.
Uhhh....we have a bigger budget than SJSU.  There really is no good excuse and I think feeding our student-athletes adequately is pretty much fundamental to a solid college sports program.
I could be wrong, but I think that students at SJSU pay more fees for athletics than at Fresno State. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember that coming up when raising fees at Fresno came up.

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Both SJSU and SDSU pay much more in fees. The Spartans run almost solely on them, as there can't be much of anything in ticket revenue/booster help. I'm pretty surprised by SDSU's large deficit they ran given the success and popularity of their basketball program. That's an area of huge potential for Fresno State if they can get BBall back on track. That would be a huge shot in the arm to the department given that we're already running a surplus with DeRuyter and still have much more room to trend upward with football.

I really hope Castro takes a bit more of a lead in the situation or replaces Boeh with a progressive type.
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Posted: 07/21/2014 1:48 PM

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Whomever they get needs to be someone who complies with Title IX in a reasonable manner, like other CSU's that don't seem to have any issues...rather than using it as a political bat against men's sports.

Or here's a concept...instead of issuing blanket proclamations about not being able to afford things and maintain T9 compliance....get an AD that knows how to fund raise and find the money to provide these opportunities.

Unfortunately at Fresno State, Title 9 has been used more often to deny opportunities than to create them...the whole reason for the law.

"I've got that Bulldog Spirit up in my head, deep in my heart and down in my toes."

-- Jim Sweeney
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Posted: 07/21/2014 2:08 PM

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jmckune wrote: Whomever they get needs to be someone who complies with Title IX in a reasonable manner, like other CSU's that don't seem to have any issues...rather than using it as a political bat against men's sports.

Or here's a concept...instead of issuing blanket proclamations about not being able to afford things and maintain T9 compliance....get an AD that knows how to fund raise and find the money to provide these opportunities.

Unfortunately at Fresno State, Title 9 has been used more often to deny opportunities than to create them...the whole reason for the law.
This is exactly why it's time for a visionary with a growth motivation and who can balance risk/reward versus the myopic, risk aversion at any cost, bureaucrat now in the position.

 

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Posted: 07/21/2014 8:42 PM

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I read article and it explained which teams had training tables, and if it was football only or some other teams covered with table.  Also went into Title IX and our application of covering all teams, men and women in application, but didn't really explain why our application was so much stricter than other schools and how other schools could get away with a different application.  Also didn't explain who had the authority to make the interpretation of Title IX, School Pres?  AD?  Other? and how it could be changed?  What is the process and who is involved?  Does it make a huge difference if we lose law suits vs. schools who don't get sued? It shouldn't!  Their may be different interpretations, but then that means any one of them is OK.  Otherwise it would be "illegal".

I would like CTD to have our AD attend one of the QB Club luncheons and explain how Title IX is applied, Why it is different than other schools application and how it can be changed - process - to be consistent with other schools and allow a training table to get on board.
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Posted: 07/22/2014 6:27 AM

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srodrig5 wrote: I read article and it explained which teams had training tables, and if it was football only or some other teams covered with table.  Also went into Title IX and our application of covering all teams, men and women in application, but didn't really explain why our application was so much stricter than other schools and how other schools could get away with a different application.  Also didn't explain who had the authority to make the interpretation of Title IX, School Pres?  AD?  Other? and how it could be changed?  What is the process and who is involved?  Does it make a huge difference if we lose law suits vs. schools who don't get sued? It shouldn't!  Their may be different interpretations, but then that means any one of them is OK.  Otherwise it would be "illegal".

I would like CTD to have our AD attend one of the QB Club luncheons and explain how Title IX is applied, Why it is different than other schools application and how it can be changed - process - to be consistent with other schools and allow a training table to get on board.
I doubt that CTD could explain title 9, but I am sure Thomas Boeh could and if you really want to see the enforcement  police at the FSU make sure you invite Dianne Multinovich.
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Posted: 07/26/2014 6:31 PM

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Here is what Hawaii will now have.

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Posted: 07/26/2014 6:51 PM

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Sell the naming rights to the stadium at Jim Sweeney field. Cost, fully funded training table for all athletes at the University. Well, that would be a starting point anyway.

Go Dogs!!!
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