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Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far

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Posted: 07/06/2014 9:39 PM

Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far 


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boise st was 75-5 in wac but has 0 outright mw titles (3 yrs). fresno had not finished higher than 2nd in wac s/99 but won mw outright ly.

7:53 am - 3 jul 2014

the broncos have zero outright mountain west titles after running free in the wac.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 5:31 AM

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boise st was 75-5 in wac but has 0 outright mw titles (3 yrs). fresno had not finished higher than 2nd in wac s/99 but won mw outright ly.

7:53 am - 3 jul 2014

the broncos have zero outright mountain west titles after running free in the wac.

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SOMEONE TELL STEELE THERES A NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN - CTD !! devilwink


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Boise is dangerously close to falling off the national radar screen.

 

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Posted: 07/07/2014 6:31 AM

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Let's push them over the cliff
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Posted: 07/07/2014 7:17 AM

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Cheaty Petey moving to the spread was a sign of desperation, and to me, one that was probably the biggest mistake of his career.

He bailed on the thing that got him where he was...an innovative pro-style offense showing a multitude of alignments and pre-snap shifts that got teams to tip their coverages, and more importantly, confuse defenses and get them out of position.

Whenever we'd play Boise, it always amazed me that if a play broke down, someone was going to be open, and they would find him.

You can also point to getting hit with NCAA sanctions and having scholarships and practice time reduced as contributing factors.

But consider...they've hired their replacement in Brian Harsin...a guy who is committed to bringing back the old Boise offense and doing things the old way.

We shall see if it works.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 7:35 AM

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Once again, buck Foise.
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Posted: 07/07/2014 10:21 AM

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jmckune wrote: 

But consider...they've hired their replacement in Brian Harsin...a guy who is committed to bringing back the old Boise offense and doing things the old way.

We shall see if it works.
I liked the Harsin hire. I felt like Boise State could have gone in many different directions after Pete bailed to Washington. I think Harsin allows Boise to stay within the confines of what made them successful in the first place. I'm not rooting Harsin on or anything, but I liked the hire as a college football analyst.

I still think Harsin will be looking up at CTD for the time being, though. DeRuyter has something Harsin doesn't quite have and that's a boatload of guys who can/do recruit very, very well.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 11:52 AM

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Boise has more 4* recruits so far under Harsin then they had in 8 years under Pete
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Posted: 07/07/2014 5:28 PM

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Boise has more 4* recruits so far under Harsin then they had in 8 years under Pete

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Posted: 07/07/2014 8:59 PM

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We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.




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Posted: 07/07/2014 9:58 PM

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jmckune wrote: Cheaty Petey moving to the spread was a sign of desperation, and to me, one that was probably the biggest mistake of his career.

He bailed on the thing that got him where he was...an innovative pro-style offense showing a multitude of alignments and pre-snap shifts that got teams to tip their coverages, and more importantly, confuse defenses and get them out of position.

Whenever we'd play Boise, it always amazed me that if a play broke down, someone was going to be open, and they would find him.

You can also point to getting hit with NCAA sanctions and having scholarships and practice time reduced as contributing factors.

But consider...they've hired their replacement in Brian Harsin...a guy who is committed to bringing back the old Boise offense and doing things the old way.

We shall see if it works.
It won't. Cheatey Petey left because the administration of See No Evil and Hear No Evil was replaced by a "No More Evil" administration. NCAA practice rules now apply. Even Idaho's criminal law now applies to even BSU football players.

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Posted: 07/07/2014 9:59 PM

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GreenV559 wrote: Once again, buck Foise.
This.

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Posted: 07/08/2014 10:15 AM

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ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

 

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Posted: 07/08/2014 11:10 AM

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There were quite a few years that I would have been very happy this that level of underachievement for the 'Dogs.

I'd like to think it was more Fresno State, Suds and USU's improved play that has led to Boise losing some rather than the fact they underachieved. To say they did diminishes what our players did on the field. I don't think either of the last 2 years that Boise should have been favored over the 'Dogs based on what was happening during those 2 seasons alone. That played a major role in the 2 Championships.
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Posted: 07/08/2014 11:11 AM

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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.




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Posted: 07/08/2014 12:01 PM

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And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Posted: 07/08/2014 12:41 PM

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AMEN!  It's the whole "what have you done for me lately" saying that matters most.

Now can we search and discuss Bulldog news rather than Boise news?  
Bulldogs51 wrote: And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Posted: 07/08/2014 12:58 PM

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GreenV559 wrote: AMEN!  It's the whole "what have you done for me lately" saying that matters most.

Now can we search and discuss Bulldog news rather than Boise news?  
Bulldogs51 wrote: And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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I don't easily forget the ***-whoppin's Boise has put on us in the past.

New conference or not, I would still give anything to have their football success over Fresno State's.

Anyone that says otherwise is lying to themselves.




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Posted: 07/08/2014 2:04 PM

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ZK686 wrote:
LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.
"Has had."  "Since 2001."  Try 0-3...that's how many outrights vs. opportunities your boys from Boise have since joining the MWC.   

Hill is gone.  Peterson is gone.  The WAC is gone.  You'll catch-up some day.

 

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Posted: 07/08/2014 2:10 PM

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Don't bet on it !
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Posted: 07/08/2014 4:34 PM

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If we would have had the same success as BSU the past 10 years, we would be in a P5 conference if that is what we wanted.
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Posted: 07/08/2014 5:49 PM

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Strongly doubt that if we would have had their run that we'd be in the Pac 12 today. Strongly doubt it. The big boys just don't want us, so we have to force our way in; however that may be.
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Posted: 07/08/2014 7:26 PM

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GreenV559 wrote: Strongly doubt that if we would have had their run that we'd be in the Pac 12 today. Strongly doubt it. The big boys just don't want us, so we have to force our way in; however that may be.
Maybe not the PAC, but I'd bet we'd be in a position similar to the BE and Boise situation.


And I bet we would have jumped at the opportunity too.




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Posted: 07/09/2014 9:20 AM

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ZK686 wrote:
GreenV559 wrote: Strongly doubt that if we would have had their run that we'd be in the Pac 12 today. Strongly doubt it. The big boys just don't want us, so we have to force our way in; however that may be.
Maybe not the PAC, but I'd bet we'd be in a position similar to the BE and Boise situation.


And I bet we would have jumped at the opportunity too.
Fresno is still in a unique situation.  you can count on one hand all the state schools that still have a viable D1 football program, FSU, SJSU, SDSU, UCLA and Cal.
through economics and attrition only 5 state schools remain in California.
Fresno is still in the game, they just need to decide what level of commitment is needed moving forward to take that next step.  Calilfornia only has so much money to spend on the 5 remaining programs.  UCLA and Cal are not going anywhere, that leaves the 3 minor schools (if you want to call them that) competing with one another for state funding, recruits, other revenue streams, etc.  Fresno has to get to a point where they are consistently dominating the other state schools.

The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common.  They don't alter their views to fit the facts. They alter the facts to fit their views.

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Posted: 07/09/2014 12:14 PM

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Fresno : 2, Boise : 1.
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And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Posted: 07/09/2014 9:16 PM

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Fresno : 2, Boise : 1.
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And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Lol, they use the term facts kind of loosely huh.

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You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
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Posted: 07/09/2014 9:37 PM

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Fresno : 2, Boise : 1.
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And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Lol, they use the term facts kind of loosely huh.

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How loosely interpreted is 2011- nope. 2012- co- champion shared 3 ways. 2013- nope. Is that tight enough for you?

 

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Posted: 07/09/2014 10:16 PM

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Fresno : 2, Boise : 1.
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And here are some facts for you... since joining the mwc, fresno: 2 championships, boise:0


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LuDog70 wrote:
ZK686 wrote: We've got a long way to go before we can talk smack about  Boise State.
Facts aren't smack.

Here's some more "facts" for you:

Fresno vs Boise since 2001: 2-11


All I'm saying is that these "facts" are meant to be smack talk by Fresno State fans.

We have so much more to do if we want to have the level of success that Boise has had.

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Lol, they use the term facts kind of loosely huh.

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How loosely interpreted is 2011- nope. 2012- co- champion shared 3 ways. 2013- nope. Is that tight enough for you?

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So 2-1 advantage Fresno.

Third time was a charm for you attempting to use "facts".

"You stoppin' us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
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Posted: 07/09/2014 10:35 PM

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halfmanhalfbronco,

2013 - boise st.

8-5  , lost to fresno , no conference championship ( didn't even play in title game )

fresno st.

11-2  , beat boise , outright conference champs


how are those facts ?   get use to them facts, you will be experiencing a lot of those same facts in the future !!!!!!!!!!!
LET YOUR PLAY AND COACHING DO THE TALKING ON THE FIELD, NOT YOUR PIE HOLE.

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Posted: 07/09/2014 10:46 PM

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halfmanhalfbronco,

2013 - boise st.

8-5  , lost to fresno , no conference championship ( didn't even play in title game )

fresno st.

11-2  , beat boise , outright conference champs


how are those facts ?   get use to them facts, you will be experiencing a lot of those same facts in the future !!!!!!!!!!!

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Yea we were a very bad team last year by our standards. No doubt about it. We were also a very bad team by our standards in 2005 and 2007. Each of the following g years (2006 and 2008) we went undefeated. Now I highly doubt that trend continues just as I highly doubt the trend you outline continues. Harsin and his staff recruit a different calliber athlete than does Fresno. We will have to see how the future plays out.

"You stoppin' us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
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Posted: 07/09/2014 10:57 PM

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halfmanhalfbronco,

2013 - boise st.

8-5  , lost to fresno , no conference championship ( didn't even play in title game )

fresno st.

11-2  , beat boise , outright conference champs


how are those facts ?   get use to them facts, you will be experiencing a lot of those same facts in the future !!!!!!!!!!!

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Yea we were a very bad team last year by our standards. No doubt about it. We were also a very bad team by our standards in 2005 and 2007. Each of the following g years (2006 and 2008) we went undefeated. Now I highly doubt that trend continues just as I highly doubt the trend you outline continues. Harsin and his staff recruit a different calliber athlete than does Fresno. We will have to see how the future plays out.
ask pat hill if its all about recruiting different caliber athletes !!!   plenty of years we had better talent and bombed.

plus, just a heads up petersen is gone !!  he high tailed it out of town cuss he knew CTD had his number !!!

harsin was 7-5 at arky st., he still needs to prove himself . the mountain division will get tougher with up and coming wyoming, colorado st and utah st.
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While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.
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While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.

"You stoppin' us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
--Talib Kweli

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Posted: 07/17/2014 9:37 AM

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While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...

 

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Posted: 07/17/2014 9:47 AM

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LuDog70 wrote:
halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...
Jake Heaps was a 5 start QB, and the number 1 rated QB in the 2010 recruiting class.  He's a good example of why stars only mean so much.  Boise looks like they got a good one in Rypien, but only time will tell.  For all we know, Kilton Anderson may be the best QB in the conference in a few years.

One thing I don't understand about 1/2 Bronco's comments is that he says their new "staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to."  That might have been true about Hill, but CTD has no problem going after highly rated talent.  Where does a statement like that come from?
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While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...

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Kellen Moore was a 4 star.

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Posted: 07/17/2014 3:13 PM

Re: Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far 



halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- LuDog70 wrote:


halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- MrGeologist wrote:

While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...

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Kellen Moore was a 4 star.
Ok, then I stand corrected.  I thought he was a lighly regarded 1-2 star but guess I was wrong.  That said, we'll take our stars and coaches and you can keep yours no matter how many times yours have faced LSU...  See you in the fall.

 

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Posted: 07/17/2014 3:16 PM

Re: Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far 





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--- Sparatore wrote:


LuDog70 wrote:
halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- MrGeologist wrote:

While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...
Jake Heaps was a 5 start QB, and the number 1 rated QB in the 2010 recruiting class.  He's a good example of why stars only mean so much.  Boise looks like they got a good one in Rypien, but only time will tell.  For all we know, Kilton Anderson may be the best QB in the conference in a few years.

One thing I don't understand about 1/2 Bronco's comments is that he says their new "staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to."  That might have been true about Hill, but CTD has no problem going after highly rated talent.  Where does a statement like that come from?

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Ya that was a bad comment. Anyway I am cautiously optimistic about this staff given their prior success here and recruiting ability. The offer lists for the guys Harsin gets look a lot different than the offer lists of CTD's guys. FWIW.

"You stoppin' us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
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Posted: 07/17/2014 3:23 PM

Re: Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far 



halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- Sparatore wrote:


LuDog70 wrote:
halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- MrGeologist wrote:

While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...
Jake Heaps was a 5 start QB, and the number 1 rated QB in the 2010 recruiting class.  He's a good example of why stars only mean so much.  Boise looks like they got a good one in Rypien, but only time will tell.  For all we know, Kilton Anderson may be the best QB in the conference in a few years.

One thing I don't understand about 1/2 Bronco's comments is that he says their new "staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to."  That might have been true about Hill, but CTD has no problem going after highly rated talent.  Where does a statement like that come from?

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Ya that was a bad comment. Anyway I am cautiously optimistic about this staff given their prior success here and recruiting ability. The offer lists for the guys Harsin gets look a lot different than the offer lists of CTD's guys. FWIW.
That's what I get for relying on my aging and failing memory.  However, after some research he was rated #26 in his position and although assigned 3-4 stars wasn't regarded as a top school recruit based on tangibles.  So I was partially right...LOL

 

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Posted: 07/17/2014 4:39 PM

Re: Boise State has underachieved in MW, so far 





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--- LuDog70 wrote:


halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- LuDog70 wrote:


halfmanhalfbronco wrote:


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--- MrGeologist wrote:

While I don't mind seeing Boise down as much as the next guy, two  years does not establish a trend of Fresno State dominance over Boise or the MWC.  Trends require many more data points.  It's like saying two out of the two people surveyed like a Pepsi over Coke, therefore everyone likes Pepsi over Coke.  However, with Peterson gone, and the team having some restrictions over violations, plus no apparent superstar QB win the wings, I can see Boise being flat. There's no reason to believe it would be long term, or that we are head and shoulders above Boise that we couldn't be beaten by a "flat" team.  Just look at last year...with time running out they almost beat us.  It's true we dominated most of the game, and they got gonig on some wild and crazy/desperate plays that worked, but that was their MO for so many years, which included going for it on 4th and 30 on their own 20 yard line, and converting far more than not.  I think their mojo with that stuff is gone, and they will have to play converntional football now.

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Pretty fair. Regarding QB's, yea this year and next year I will be happy with a game manager. However our QB recruit this year is an elite, unanimous 4 star QB, Ranked 11 in the nation in the deepest year for QB's I almost a decade. Again this staff signs kids CTD would not even bother talking to, and consists of the most impressive assistant coaches our program has ever had, returning from bigger ponds.

For example the 2 times our staf has gone head to head with LSU, we got the verbal. Petersen would have conceded these kids.
Chasing recruiting stars for schools our size is a fools game.  A QB on our staff was an elite 11 MVP and will likely never see the field.  BTW, your best QB ever didn't have many stars...

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Kellen Moore was a 4 star.
Ok, then I stand corrected.  I thought he was a lighly regarded 1-2 star but guess I was wrong.  That said, we'll take our stars and coaches and you can keep yours no matter how many times yours have faced LSU...  See you in the fall.

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Hard to blame you. CTD has to be considered the top coach in the MWC right now and not sure it is all that close either.

Freano and Boise need eachother IMHO. We need you to be the big dawg out west and a strong BSU is needed in the east. I think we will see both hold up their end of the bargin to send one of us to the access spot more often than not.

GO DOGS, every week, aside from one.

"You stoppin' us is preposterous, like an androgenous masohganist
You pickin' the wrong time, steppin' to me when I'm in my prime like Optimus"
--Talib Kweli

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