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Posted: 06/07/2014 8:07 AM

Why Fresno defeats USC 


After being blown-out in 'Vegas by USC in the manner Fresno was blown-out. It is hard to imagine Fresno would come back and win the very next game with USC. However, two different seasons and two different teams.

A wounded Carr is far more debilitating to his team than a new QB is to his team. The psychological difference is huge in the way it effects the rest of the team members. This coming seasons team will not be relying on hero expectations, but more on "group" as the only way to defeat an opponent as USC. It is this mind-set which makes every individual feel accountable. 

Fresno will be far more "hungry" for a win than USC who will take it for granted. I was impressed with USC's openly expressed sideline swagger and it accomplished what it was supposed too as far as affecting Fresno's players. Fresno players will make USC pay for the humiliation Fresno suffered in 'Vegas. Nothing worse than an angry dog who remembers a fight.  

Actually, I can see Fresno losing to someone as SDSU, Nebraska or Boise than I can see Fresno losing to USC. Fresno will not win all its games. The odds for any team going undefeated are too great. but USC will not be one of the defeats.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 10:06 AM

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I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13
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Posted: 06/07/2014 10:28 AM

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winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13
I don't care if the score is 2-0 as long as it is FSU-2/USC-0
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Posted: 06/07/2014 11:36 AM

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winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13
4:30PM kickoff in August? Chances are It'll be hot! I agree with you slow and low scoring prediction. They are breaking in new coaches and new schemes, and we're breaking in a new QB and offensive identity. 

Completely disagree about it being an unmotivated game though. FS obviously wants to beat the "mighty" trojans, and SC has something to prove post Kiffin.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 1:09 PM

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Thanks for the post, Fang. On behalf of all of us 'Dogs salivating for any football news I hope others chime in with their thoughts on this. For myself, I can't wait for those first few reports from fall camp to come in giving us an inkling of what the offense will look like this year. Any news, please!  Like who's going to be the other DE? What starting CB's emerge? And of course, WHO'S THE QB?

On a lighter side, I bought a personalized license plate this year for the first time. I wanted it to say "NUTDOG" because I'm an almond grower and I love the Bulldogs - logical enough, right? But they just sent me notification that my new plate will say "NUTGOD". Damn gubment can't get anything right. I think NUTGOD might be offensive to some people and it is offensive to my sense of humility. Besides, I want to be NUTDOG. Oh well, I'll call them Monday and spend an hour chasing computer prompts over the phone trying resolve this. Sheeeesh!
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Posted: 06/07/2014 1:30 PM

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NutDog wrote: 

On a lighter side, I bought a personalized license plate this year for the first time. I wanted it to say "NUTDOG" because I'm an almond grower and I love the Bulldogs - logical enough, right? But they just sent me notification that my new plate will say "NUTGOD". Damn gubment can't get anything right. I think NUTGOD might be offensive to some people and it is offensive to my sense of humility. Besides, I want to be NUTDOG. Oh well, I'll call them Monday and spend an hour chasing computer prompts over the phone trying resolve this. Sheeeesh!
So typical of the faceless and mindless cretins who are the government. lol

Actually, when you think about it, outside of an almond growing region, no one is going to associate "Nut" with almonds or any other "nut". To them you are just a "nut" whether it be dog, cat, cow, horse or mule. At least with "NutGod" you preserve a little dignity in the eyes of many.   biggrin

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Posted: 06/07/2014 4:59 PM

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It's not the government's fault, it's George Bush's fault! You can add this to the other things that have been blamed on him; Hurricane Katrina, etc.  crazy  On a sporting note, It's going to be a looooong wait until fall kickoff.  And as for your question of who the QB will be, it will be Connette barring injury.
NutDog wrote: Thanks for the post, Fang. On behalf of all of us 'Dogs salivating for any football news I hope others chime in with their thoughts on this. For myself, I can't wait for those first few reports from fall camp to come in giving us an inkling of what the offense will look like this year. Any news, please!  Like who's going to be the other DE? What starting CB's emerge? And of course, WHO'S THE QB?

On a lighter side, I bought a personalized license plate this year for the first time. I wanted it to say "NUTDOG" because I'm an almond grower and I love the Bulldogs - logical enough, right? But they just sent me notification that my new plate will say "NUTGOD". Damn gubment can't get anything right. I think NUTGOD might be offensive to some people and it is offensive to my sense of humility. Besides, I want to be NUTDOG. Oh well, I'll call them Monday and spend an hour chasing computer prompts over the phone trying resolve this. Sheeeesh!
"Wow, that escalated quickly!"
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Posted: 06/07/2014 5:21 PM

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Fangdog wrote: After being blown-out in 'Vegas by USC in the manner Fresno was blown-out. It is hard to imagine Fresno would come back and win the very next game with USC. However, two different seasons and two different teams.

A wounded Carr is far more debilitating to his team than a new QB is to his team. The psychological difference is huge in the way it effects the rest of the team members. This coming seasons team will not be relying on hero expectations, but more on "group" as the only way to defeat an opponent as USC. It is this mind-set which makes every individual feel accountable. 

Fresno will be far more "hungry" for a win than USC who will take it for granted. I was impressed with USC's openly expressed sideline swagger and it accomplished what it was supposed too as far as affecting Fresno's players. Fresno players will make USC pay for the humiliation Fresno suffered in 'Vegas. Nothing worse than an angry dog who remembers a fight.  

Actually, I can see Fresno losing to someone as SDSU, Nebraska or Boise than I can see Fresno losing to USC. Fresno will not win all its games. The odds for any team going undefeated are too great. but USC will not be one of the defeats.

I like your thinking, fangle.
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Posted: 06/07/2014 7:30 PM

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Fresno State's almost inevitable defeat of USC is going to be a big deal as it applies to Fresno State recruiting. 

I can see a growing trend for more outstanding high school recruits choosing non-Big5 schools for the following reasons;  

A better chance playing 3-4 years instead of 1-2 years. 

Better chance for personal development because coaches in non-Big5 have to develop and coach to win instead of relying on talent to win.

Enjoying the experience of a long-term close relationships (family atmosphere) with teammates because most sticking around until the end of their eligibility. 

Being the big frog in a small pond and thus singular NFL attention. 

Those are just several reasons a highly considered recruit may opt for a non-Big5 program.

The Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks had 28 players who were not from Big-5 programs. There is no question the overall superior talented players playing the Big-5 conferences, but it doesn't always translate to being the most talented team talent. 

A High School talented recruit really has to ask himself, "Am I better off in my best interests playing for someone as Fresno State? Despite popular belief, he very well be better off playing for Fresno State after it is all said and done. Recruits across the Country are weighing in on the non-Big-5 option. It is not an avalanche of change but an almost unnoticeable change. More and more 3-4 stars are showing up on non-Big-5 rosters. 

Often times recruits need an excuse. A Fresno State defeating USC is just another assist for the recruit making the "right" decision. There will emerge an elite sub-power of non-Big-5 conference schools and Fresno State will be one of them. ...Yep, the future looks bight for Fresno State and after Fresno defeats USC. "I will have to wear shades".
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Posted: 06/08/2014 9:29 AM

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Fresno State's almost inevitable defeat of USC is going to be a big deal as it applies to Fresno State recruiting. 

I can see a growing trend for more outstanding high school recruits choosing non-Big5 schools for the following reasons;  

A better chance playing 3-4 years instead of 1-2 years. 

Better chance for personal development because coaches in non-Big5 have to develop and coach to win instead of relying on talent to win.

Enjoying the experience of a long-term close relationships (family atmosphere) with teammates because most sticking around until the end of their eligibility. 

Being the big frog in a small pond and thus singular NFL attention. 

Those are just several reasons a highly considered recruit may opt for a non-Big5 program.

The Super Bowl Champion Seattle Seahawks had 28 players who were not from Big-5 programs. There is no question the overall superior talented players playing the Big-5 conferences, but it doesn't always translate to being the most talented team talent. 

A High School talented recruit really has to ask himself, "Am I better off in my best interests playing for someone as Fresno State? Despite popular belief, he very well be better off playing for Fresno State after it is all said and done. Recruits across the Country are weighing in on the non-Big-5 option. It is not an avalanche of change but an almost unnoticeable change. More and more 3-4 stars are showing up on non-Big-5 rosters. 

Often times recruits need an excuse. A Fresno State defeating USC is just another assist for the recruit making the "right" decision. There will emerge an elite sub-power of non-Big-5 conference schools and Fresno State will be one of them. ...Yep, the future looks bight for Fresno State and after Fresno defeats USC. "I will have to wear shades".


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Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!

 

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Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!
Ludog, it is the USC "should" win which gets in the way for critical thinking. Yes, USC "could" win, but that is about as far as it goes. Let me tell ya the USC coaches know the difference and so do the Fresno State coaches. 

DeRuyter often talks about "belief". He sees this as the "slight-edge" which spells the difference between victory and defeat. If DeRuyter and staff can get every Fresno player right down to the water-boy to "believe" and by that, "believe" in themselves. Do that and what is there left to stop Fresno State?

Certainly not USC who already believes USC "should" win. Not USC who already believes Fresno State will lose this game. Not USC who believes they do not have to go through the necessary pain and commitment to defeat Fresno State. 

There is nothing the media can write, the coaches can say or anyone can do to further USC's emotional motivation in regard to Fresno State than where it is right now. There are tons of things which can further emotionally motivate Fresno State between now and game-day. Connette alone is a rocket booster and he is just a start.

Think of yourself as a football player. during the long hot summer and Fall camp you are preparing for the coming season. What would you think would be the most motivating....going through these arduous weeks and months thinking about USC who you have a bone to pick. Or a USC player who experienced blowing-out Fresno State and how boring having to play Fresno State back to back once again?

As a Coach, who would you like to be with the task for motivating?  The coach with the hungry-tiger or the coach with the fat-cat? 

I am far more worried about defeating Boise, SDSU, Nebraska than I am USC.....not saying we will win, just saying we are likely to win.

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Fangdog wrote:
LuDog70 wrote:



Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!
Ludog, it is the USC "should" win which gets in the way for critical thinking. Yes, USC "could" win, but that is about as far as it goes. Let me tell ya the USC coaches know the difference and so do the Fresno State coaches. 

DeRuyter often talks about "belief". He sees this as the "slight-edge" which spells the difference between victory and defeat. If DeRuyter and staff can get every Fresno player right down to the water-boy to "believe" and by that, "believe" in themselves. Do that and what is there left to stop Fresno State?

Certainly not USC who already believes USC "should" win. Not USC who already believes Fresno State will lose this game. Not USC who believes they do not have to go through the necessary pain and commitment to defeat Fresno State. 

There is nothing the media can write, the coaches can say or anyone can do to further USC's emotional motivation in regard to Fresno State than where it is right now. There are tons of things which can further emotionally motivate Fresno State between now and game-day. Connette alone is a rocket booster and he is just a start.

Think of yourself as a football player. during the long hot summer and Fall camp you are preparing for the coming season. What would you think would be the most motivating....going through these arduous weeks and months thinking about USC who you have a bone to pick. Or a USC player who experienced blowing-out Fresno State and how boring having to play Fresno State back to back once again?

As a Coach, who would you like to be with the task for motivating?  The coach with the hungry-tiger or the coach with the fat-cat? 

I am far more worried about defeating Boise, SDSU, Nebraska than I am USC.....not saying we will win, just saying we are likely to win.
I think that the idea that the USC players won't be motivated enough, or "overlook" Fresno State is an issue of the past. This game will be the opener for both teams--all the players will be jacked up to play. Rightly or wrongly, they are going to be trying to make a statement that they are a player on the national scene.

As far as being motivated over the summer--sure, USC won't be working hard just for this game. They will be working to beat UCLA, Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon, etc. The Trojans won't be taking it easy this summer because they open with Fresno State. 

I think any notion that the Trojans won't be up for this game, or will overlook the 'Dogs, is just whistling in the dark.  The 'Dogs will have to beat a motivated, talented team in their own house. I think they have a chance, but the last thing i'd hang my hate on is that USC will be overconfident or less motivated.

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CoachFord wrote:
Fangdog wrote:
LuDog70 wrote:



Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!
Ludog, it is the USC "should" win which gets in the way for critical thinking. Yes, USC "could" win, but that is about as far as it goes. Let me tell ya the USC coaches know the difference and so do the Fresno State coaches. 

DeRuyter often talks about "belief". He sees this as the "slight-edge" which spells the difference between victory and defeat. If DeRuyter and staff can get every Fresno player right down to the water-boy to "believe" and by that, "believe" in themselves. Do that and what is there left to stop Fresno State?

Certainly not USC who already believes USC "should" win. Not USC who already believes Fresno State will lose this game. Not USC who believes they do not have to go through the necessary pain and commitment to defeat Fresno State. 

There is nothing the media can write, the coaches can say or anyone can do to further USC's emotional motivation in regard to Fresno State than where it is right now. There are tons of things which can further emotionally motivate Fresno State between now and game-day. Connette alone is a rocket booster and he is just a start.

Think of yourself as a football player. during the long hot summer and Fall camp you are preparing for the coming season. What would you think would be the most motivating....going through these arduous weeks and months thinking about USC who you have a bone to pick. Or a USC player who experienced blowing-out Fresno State and how boring having to play Fresno State back to back once again?

As a Coach, who would you like to be with the task for motivating?  The coach with the hungry-tiger or the coach with the fat-cat? 

I am far more worried about defeating Boise, SDSU, Nebraska than I am USC.....not saying we will win, just saying we are likely to win.
I think that the idea that the USC players won't be motivated enough, or "overlook" Fresno State is an issue of the past. This game will be the opener for both teams--all the players will be jacked up to play. Rightly or wrongly, they are going to be trying to make a statement that they are a player on the national scene.

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As far as being motivated over the summer--sure, USC won't be working hard just for this game. They will be working to beat UCLA, Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon, etc. The Trojans won't be taking it easy this summer because they open with Fresno State. 

I hope you didn't think I thought USC would not be working hard this summer because of Fresno. It is just Fresno will not be the #1 focus on their mind as USC works hard.

I think any notion that the Trojans won't be up for this game, or will overlook the 'Dogs, is just whistling in the dark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyhGtKAkNTo

 The 'Dogs will have to beat a motivated, talented team in their own house. I think they have a chance, but the last thing i'd hang my hate on is that USC will be overconfident or less motivated.

Not saying USC will not be motivated. Just not as motivated for Fresno as Fresno will be motivated for USC.


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Fangdog wrote:
LuDog70 wrote:



Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!
Ludog, it is the USC "should" win which gets in the way for critical thinking. Yes, USC "could" win, but that is about as far as it goes. Let me tell ya the USC coaches know the difference and so do the Fresno State coaches. 

DeRuyter often talks about "belief". He sees this as the "slight-edge" which spells the difference between victory and defeat. If DeRuyter and staff can get every Fresno player right down to the water-boy to "believe" and by that, "believe" in themselves. Do that and what is there left to stop Fresno State?

Certainly not USC who already believes USC "should" win. Not USC who already believes Fresno State will lose this game. Not USC who believes they do not have to go through the necessary pain and commitment to defeat Fresno State. 

There is nothing the media can write, the coaches can say or anyone can do to further USC's emotional motivation in regard to Fresno State than where it is right now. There are tons of things which can further emotionally motivate Fresno State between now and game-day. Connette alone is a rocket booster and he is just a start.

Think of yourself as a football player. during the long hot summer and Fall camp you are preparing for the coming season. What would you think would be the most motivating....going through these arduous weeks and months thinking about USC who you have a bone to pick. Or a USC player who experienced blowing-out Fresno State and how boring having to play Fresno State back to back once again?

As a Coach, who would you like to be with the task for motivating?  The coach with the hungry-tiger or the coach with the fat-cat? 

I am far more worried about defeating Boise, SDSU, Nebraska than I am USC.....not saying we will win, just saying we are likely to win.
I think that the idea that the USC players won't be motivated enough, or "overlook" Fresno State is an issue of the past. This game will be the opener for both teams--all the players will be jacked up to play. Rightly or wrongly, they are going to be trying to make a statement that they are a player on the national scene.

As far as being motivated over the summer--sure, USC won't be working hard just for this game. They will be working to beat UCLA, Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon, etc. The Trojans won't be taking it easy this summer because they open with Fresno State. 

I think any notion that the Trojans won't be up for this game, or will overlook the 'Dogs, is just whistling in the dark.  The 'Dogs will have to beat a motivated, talented team in their own house. I think they have a chance, but the last thing i'd hang my hate on is that USC will be overconfident or less motivated.

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The Trojans didn't "get up" for USU past season and they won't be up for us. It's not like SC is the most disciplined team in CF...

 

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Fangdog wrote:
LuDog70 wrote:



Fang: the standard template of many is we got our @$$es kicked in Vegas as we just can't compete with a USC because of a talent gap. That shallow analysis fails to face the reality that if USC would have put up the caliber of Corner against Adams as we did against Lee we'd have thrown for as many yards as USC did against us. USC won that game by exploiting our very weak pass D. Cody had never before had a game like he did against us won't ever again.

As we all know we were very Carr dependent on O. An injury to him severely impairs our effectiveness especially against a good D like the Trojans. Most don't understand just how bad we were at Corner the last 3 games of the season. This is why we lost the game. The rest of the game factors are just secondary contributors. SC had no consistent run game against our front 7. That's a fact that went unnoticed.

Come September SC will not have the luxury of facing a very bad set of Corners they had in December. They will face a QB who is a legitimate threat to run and will. They will face a better run D than they saw in Vegas. SC typically starts out seasons slow. Can we win? Absolutely. Can SC win? They will be the favorite and deservedly so. But they won't face a wounded and tired set of Dogs.

Nice job Fang for bringing up this angle that is often overlooked!
Ludog, it is the USC "should" win which gets in the way for critical thinking. Yes, USC "could" win, but that is about as far as it goes. Let me tell ya the USC coaches know the difference and so do the Fresno State coaches. 

DeRuyter often talks about "belief". He sees this as the "slight-edge" which spells the difference between victory and defeat. If DeRuyter and staff can get every Fresno player right down to the water-boy to "believe" and by that, "believe" in themselves. Do that and what is there left to stop Fresno State?

Certainly not USC who already believes USC "should" win. Not USC who already believes Fresno State will lose this game. Not USC who believes they do not have to go through the necessary pain and commitment to defeat Fresno State. 

There is nothing the media can write, the coaches can say or anyone can do to further USC's emotional motivation in regard to Fresno State than where it is right now. There are tons of things which can further emotionally motivate Fresno State between now and game-day. Connette alone is a rocket booster and he is just a start.

Think of yourself as a football player. during the long hot summer and Fall camp you are preparing for the coming season. What would you think would be the most motivating....going through these arduous weeks and months thinking about USC who you have a bone to pick. Or a USC player who experienced blowing-out Fresno State and how boring having to play Fresno State back to back once again?

As a Coach, who would you like to be with the task for motivating?  The coach with the hungry-tiger or the coach with the fat-cat? 

I am far more worried about defeating Boise, SDSU, Nebraska than I am USC.....not saying we will win, just saying we are likely to win.
I think that the idea that the USC players won't be motivated enough, or "overlook" Fresno State is an issue of the past. This game will be the opener for both teams--all the players will be jacked up to play. Rightly or wrongly, they are going to be trying to make a statement that they are a player on the national scene.

As far as being motivated over the summer--sure, USC won't be working hard just for this game. They will be working to beat UCLA, Notre Dame, Stanford, Oregon, etc. The Trojans won't be taking it easy this summer because they open with Fresno State. 

I think any notion that the Trojans won't be up for this game, or will overlook the 'Dogs, is just whistling in the dark.  The 'Dogs will have to beat a motivated, talented team in their own house. I think they have a chance, but the last thing i'd hang my hate on is that USC will be overconfident or less motivated.

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The Trojans didn't "get up" for USU past season and they won't be up for us. It's not like SC is the most disciplined team in CF...
It surprises me Ford, being a coach of all people, does not realize the possibility USC overlooking Fresno. It is teams overlooking teams which explains why highly ranked all everything teams get knocked-off now and then by a cup-cake. It certainly wasn't because they were equally motivated or had reason to be equally motivated. And it wasn't because the cup-cake is a better football team. Last season Fresno got a good scare by Cal Poly.
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Under Lane Kiffin USC under performed often their efforts were always lackluster. They are under a new coaching staff and that within itself always brings a new level of excitement to a team.

The difference between us and any other Mid-major is that we are a California school there is a lot more at stake besides bragging rights. When is the last time USC has lost to a Mid-major I think you probably have to go back to the early 90's to find that answer it's been awhile.

They don't lose that often to Mid-majors, but it's ok to have wishful thinking just don't place any bets on Fresno State because that would just be foolish.

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I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec.   Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned.  Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin....
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srodrig5 wrote: I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec. No chit, who doesn't know that?  Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned. Sark is a great coach, IMO but it still gets down to players playing the game.   Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin.... Yeah "will" win is hyperbole. "Likely" may or may not be. 
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house32 wrote: Under Lane Kiffin USC under performed often their efforts were always lackluster. They are under a new coaching staff and that within itself always brings a new level of excitement to a team.

The difference between us and any other Mid-major is that we are a California school there is a lot more at stake besides bragging rights. When is that last time USC has lost to a Mid-major I think you probably have to go back to the early 90's to find that answer it's been awhile.

They don't lose that often to Mid-majors, but it's ok to have wishful thinking just don't place any bets on Fresno State because that would just be foolish. Depending on the odds as to how foolish.
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I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec.   Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned.  Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin....

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And your post is void of "Spec?"

 

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The Trojans didn't "get up" for USU past season and they won't be up for us. It's not like SC is the most disciplined team in CF…
We're not USU. We have a national reputation of playing tough games against BCS teams. USU does not. The days of teams overlooking Fresno State are long gone.

To me it's far more likely that they misfire under a new coaching staff rather than overlook the 'Dogs.

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house32 wrote: Under Lane Kiffin USC under performed often their efforts were always lackluster. They are under a new coaching staff and that within itself always brings a new level of excitement to a team.

Yep, and new expectations of being a "national power." They'll be trying to make that statement in their opener.

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The Trojans didn't "get up" for USU past season and they won't be up for us. It's not like SC is the most disciplined team in CF…
We're not USU. We have a national reputation of playing tough games against BCS teams. USU does not. The days of teams overlooking Fresno State are long gone.

To me it's far more likely that they misfire under a new coaching staff rather than overlook the 'Dogs.

Ford
The present USC players have little experience, if any, of Fresno being the big deal you think Fresno is nationally. What they remember is the a** kick'n they gave Fresno in Las Vegas. They are looking forward to a first game of the season "scrimmage" as an opportunity to show-case themselves to become starters for USC this Fall when they play "real" football games.
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Posted: 06/09/2014 7:39 AM

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winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.

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babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.
There it is folks....we have got it from the expert. Have you ever asked your self the difference between "think" you will and "motivated" you will?
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I like your attitude, Fang. I'm with you and will be there to witness it first hand.

Go Dogs!
Fangdog wrote: After being blown-out in 'Vegas by USC in the manner Fresno was blown-out. It is hard to imagine Fresno would come back and win the very next game with USC. However, two different seasons and two different teams.

A wounded Carr is far more debilitating to his team than a new QB is to his team. The psychological difference is huge in the way it effects the rest of the team members. This coming seasons team will not be relying on hero expectations, but more on "group" as the only way to defeat an opponent as USC. It is this mind-set which makes every individual feel accountable. 

Fresno will be far more "hungry" for a win than USC who will take it for granted. I was impressed with USC's openly expressed sideline swagger and it accomplished what it was supposed too as far as affecting Fresno's players. Fresno players will make USC pay for the humiliation Fresno suffered in 'Vegas. Nothing worse than an angry dog who remembers a fight.  

Actually, I can see Fresno losing to someone as SDSU, Nebraska or Boise than I can see Fresno losing to USC. Fresno will not win all its games. The odds for any team going undefeated are too great. but USC will not be one of the defeats.
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Fangdog wrote:
babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.
There it is folks....we have got it from the expert. Have you ever asked your self the difference between "think" you will and "motivated" you will?
Even a blind chicken finds a seed once in a while, fang.

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CoachFord wrote:
Fangdog wrote:
babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.
There it is folks....we have got it from the expert. Have you ever asked your self the difference between "think" you will and "motivated" you will?
Even a blind chicken finds a seed once in a while, fang.

Ford
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Fangdog wrote:
CoachFord wrote:
Fangdog wrote:
babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.
There it is folks....we have got it from the expert. Have you ever asked your self the difference between "think" you will and "motivated" you will?
Even a blind chicken finds a seed once in a while, fang.

Ford
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would you rather beat USC in the coliseum or beat Nebraska @ home this year, & you can only pick 1??

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babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
Fangdog wrote:
CoachFord wrote:
Fangdog wrote:
babydaddyschlegel12 wrote:
winthewac wrote: I actually think this turns into an ugly low scoring game (like the Utah St/USC game last year)
USC unmotivated... Fresno trying to find itself.
I could see a 20-10 outcome or 20-13

usc will be motivated to kick the living crap out of us.
There it is folks....we have got it from the expert. Have you ever asked your self the difference between "think" you will and "motivated" you will?
Even a blind chicken finds a seed once in a while, fang.

Ford
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would you rather beat USC in the coliseum or beat Nebraska @ home this year, & you can only pick 1??
Baby, USC is far and away a lot bigger deal for me personally.

The problem with your bull-chit either or question is, Fresno defeats USC in the coliseum, Fresno defeats Nebraska at home. Fresno's bigger issues are Boise and SDSU .....and I guess you can thrown-in Utah State. 

Does Nebraska still have that QB who has been there as long as US soldiers been in Afghanistan?

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I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec.   Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned.  Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin....

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And your post is void of "Spec?"
Yes. it is... saying I HOPE we win, isn't speculating we win or lose.  Saying we WILL win and why, is saying we will win with no basis other than spec.
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I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec.   Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned.  Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin....

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And your post is void of "Spec?"
Yes. it is... saying I HOPE we win, isn't speculating we win or lose.  Saying we WILL win and why, is saying we will win with no basis other than spec.

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So speculating on what Sark is thinking isn't speculating...thanks for the clarification.

 

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srodrig5 wrote:
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I love Fresno State Football as much as anyone on this BB, but come up with any speculative explanation you want on why Dogs beat SC and it's all still just Spec.   Sark is NOT going to let his high-caliber team take Fresno St. for granted or overlook them in any way. He will want to CRUSH us with at least a 35+ point victory.  Sark is Psyched for his first SC game and we are what's for dinner as far as he is concerned.  Yes, I hope we play and win, but to say we WILL win and why/how!!! .... is California Dreamin....

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And your post is void of "Spec?"
Yes. it is... saying I HOPE we win, isn't speculating we win or lose.  Saying we WILL win and why, is saying we will win with no basis other than spec.
The issue isn't speculation. The issue I have with you, is you thinking people are speculating while you thinking you are not speculating....the pot calling the kettle black.
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I was turned off by USC's dancing, prancing and showboating on the field at the LV Bowl.  The kicker from Bakersfield especially deserves to receive a lesson in humility.  I don't expect the 'Dogs to win,  but I do expect them to put up a better fight than they did in Vegas.  We need to be a lot more physical in all phases of the game on August 30.
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Here are three license plates that were applied for. The first was rejected, the other two got by ( I check the DMV records and its true).

A proctologist submitted: CME2P   Denied

A  wealthy guy got this approved:  RCHPHKR

Then got divorced and ended up with this license:  PORPHKR
True story.
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fsudog86 wrote: I was turned off by USC's dancing, prancing and showboating on the field at the LV Bowl.  The kicker from Bakersfield especially deserves to receive a lesson in humility.  I don't expect the 'Dogs to win,  but I do expect them to put up a better fight than they did in Vegas.  We need to be a lot more physical in all phases of the game on August 30.
DeRuyter needs to take the video of those hot-dogs and play it in the locker-room everyday until game day. I know this much, if this seasons Bulldogs are supposed to be a bunch of mean, nasty sons-of-bitches and watch that video everyday. Some Trojans are going to wish they were dead out of mercy from pain.
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Fangdog wrote:
fsudog86 wrote: I was turned off by USC's dancing, prancing and showboating on the field at the LV Bowl.  The kicker from Bakersfield especially deserves to receive a lesson in humility.  I don't expect the 'Dogs to win,  but I do expect them to put up a better fight than they did in Vegas.  We need to be a lot more physical in all phases of the game on August 30.
DeRuyter needs to take the video of those hot-dogs and play it in the locker-room everyday until game day. I know this much, if this seasons Bulldogs are supposed to be a bunch of mean, nasty sons-of-bitches and watch that video everyday. Some Trojans are going to wish they were dead out of mercy from pain.
I like the attitude, Fang
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Posted: 06/09/2014 5:27 PM

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USC will be hyped for their first game under Sark at home.  Had this game been tucked between two others, that would be one thing.  But the Bulldog logo will be plastered on their lockers all the way up to kickoff.  USC also has Kessler returning, and he is a gamer as you witnessed. They also have running backs galore and a defense that is actually improved from last year.  The Coliseum will be rocking.

However...

Fresno State has a puncher's chance here for two reasons:  USC has no tape on Fresno State's starting QB, and if he can be successful early, that could be a factor.

But the biggest reason is USC does not have a veteran starting center. It's a grab-bag right now and no one can seem to nail the job. There will be an ill-timed fumble or two on the exchange then, and that could prove big.

I fully expect USC to beat the Bulldogs, but there are weaknesses to exploit here...
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Connet*sp* is going to be special.. special enough for me to learn his name lol. USC ain't ready for him.
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